GregRband
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
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☄ Helpfulby RickJP909 2017/12/01 00:17:20
Additional note to Cakewalk support member that posted here....
May I suggest making a new main topic folder section in forum main to cover only transition, current info, license deals, Cakewalk updates, etc.
I’m interested in lots of the alternative daw chat going on, but it would be great to have all the more pertinent and informative important Cakewalk stuff in one place if that makes sense! Ie, HQ/Team updates, server info, best ideas/hints moving fwd, 3rd party content info/license releases/deals, etc.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 00:11:46
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☄ Helpfulby Pathfinder 2017/12/01 03:38:59
Customer Support [Cakewalk] Now a question for you all: would it be helpful if we continued to update the FAQ when we receive new information, or to address some of your concerns? Otherwise, what do you think the best way for us to relay information would be? I'm open to doing whatever it takes to keep you all in the loop.
Updating the FAQ would be fine, but why don't you use your Mail-Newsletter to point Users to your Announcement and FAQ? I wouldt not know anything about your Problems, if I didn't visit your (closed) shop . . . I'm no regular forum user / reader . . . . .
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 01:20:43
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This is what I like to see. At least we have someone updating us/giving us a clue as to what's going on. That I am very grateful for. thank you.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 01:43:17
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/12/01 11:03:21
Thanks so much for the information. I'm really sorry that you all there at Cakewalk are and have been going through all this. It must be truly heartbreaking. One suggestion. Could you please make a separate "locked" sticky where you (and any other knowledgeable authorized insider) could post information for us to see? That way important information wouldn't get lost in responses to the posts. Thanks much, Paul
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 02:35:17
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Another example of how psychopaths behave when they have too much power.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 03:08:54
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I plan to continue to use splat as long as I can. However, one very possible scenario worries me, that has not been talked about much. While I think Gibson will "do the right thing" about keeping servers going and doing an offline registration once servers go dark, this can only happen if Gibson itself continues to stay in business. It is not a viable company and may go out of business entirely mid 2018 as it is very likely they will default on their huge debt. Once it goes into bankruptcy court, it may be liquidated, brand names and patents sold off to whomever, and everything else gets turned off, including any commitments made to keep Sonar customers whole. For this reason, I think Gibson should get the offline registration stuff done now, and delivered to us by mid 2018. We should all be very vocal about this so it gets done.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 03:31:31
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Jwaterstreet I plan to continue to use splat as long as I can. However, one very possible scenario worries me, that has not been talked about much. While I think Gibson will "do the right thing" about keeping servers going and doing an offline registration once servers go dark, this can only happen if Gibson itself continues to stay in business. It is not a viable company and may go out of business entirely mid 2018 as it is very likely they will default on their huge debt. Once it goes into bankruptcy court, it may be liquidated, brand names and patents sold off to whomever, and everything else gets turned off, including any commitments made to keep Sonar customers whole. For this reason, I think Gibson should get the offline registration stuff done now, and delivered to us by mid 2018. We should all be very vocal about this so it gets done.
For all we know the code is already written to unlock the software. Remember they wrote the auth code to begin with bypassing it should be a simple matter for them.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 03:36:52
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Tom Riggs
Jwaterstreet I plan to continue to use splat as long as I can. However, one very possible scenario worries me, that has not been talked about much. While I think Gibson will "do the right thing" about keeping servers going and doing an offline registration once servers go dark, this can only happen if Gibson itself continues to stay in business. It is not a viable company and may go out of business entirely mid 2018 as it is very likely they will default on their huge debt. Once it goes into bankruptcy court, it may be liquidated, brand names and patents sold off to whomever, and everything else gets turned off, including any commitments made to keep Sonar customers whole. For this reason, I think Gibson should get the offline registration stuff done now, and delivered to us by mid 2018. We should all be very vocal about this so it gets done.
For all we know the code is already written to unlock the software. Remember they wrote the auth code to begin with bypassing it should be a simple matter for them.
True, but there is work involved, just getting this capability up and going and distributed out to the thousands of people that will want it take resources. Resources that won't exist if/when Gibson folds.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 03:52:39
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It's hard for me to think that they will give us serial numbers/files to authorize locally. That would be like giving the software away to anyone that wants it - I'll believe it when I see it.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 05:14:21
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Not sure your history, but Cakewalk had the ability to authorize locally for many years. In fact it was only recently this change was made.
The ability to authorize locally was one of the reasons I chose to buy Sonar in the first place. They trusted their customers and made great software.
I called out this change very early on when command center rolled out.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 06:33:34
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Customer Support [Cakewalk] Hey all, Let me help try to dispel some of the myths that seem to be making the rounds in this thread. I'm also being a bit candid here, and it probably won't be the stock response you'd expect at this point. First, while we didn't specifically mention install/reinstall in the FAQ, we've mentioned there, and also now on our home page, that our servers and website will remain active, and there will be no changes to how you can access your products. I know the feeling you get when you read "at this time" or "as of now", etc, but that's the best way we can be open and honest with you. We have no control over what happens to us next, but we were told that moving forward, servers will remain up. There's currently no indicator that this will change, what day that could change, etc, so all we can say is what we know. As strange as this may sound, it's sort of business as usual for now. Uninstall, reinstall, and authorize as little or as often as you need. If it makes you more comfortable, get the downloadable installers and put them on a hard drive, another machine, etc. If one day someone decides to shut everything down, we'll have a plan in place for you to authorize without the server. The less fun thing for me to bring up is all the mentions of bug fixes. Unfortunately, this is another "at this time" situation. Gibson has in fact ceased operation and development of Cakewalk products. Bug fixes are definitely part of what the development team works on, and without a development team... well... you know the rest. The few of us here have been working on plans A, B, and C for different scenarios. If we get sold, shut down entirely, or somehow repurposed, we're doing our best to ensure we have a plan in place for our users. Don't forget, we're still SONAR users too, and we still want it to exist as much as anybody else. Though I may get some flack for this, I'll even mention Lifetime Updates. In short, it looks good on paper. If Gibson didn't shut down Cakewalk, it'd still be something we could honor. Of course, the term "Lifetime" should always be met with the question of "what lifetime?". During the promotion, we said "even if we change SONAR Platinum to SONAR ___, you'll still get updates" and believe it or not, we meant it. I personally would have looked with caution, but if the plan was for updates to be enhancements and bug fixes, and then charge for new content, instruments, and major features, the business plan now seems to make more sense. It's unfortunate that it comes off as a "too good to be true" situation, but considering annual updates were $249 on our site for just about all of 2017, I still think the price for the now dreaded LTU wasn't all that bad. I know of a certain industry standard that costs more for a single year anyway, and they definitely weren't handing out new features each month. Now a question for you all: would it be helpful if we continued to update the FAQ when we receive new information, or to address some of your concerns? Otherwise, what do you think the best way for us to relay information would be? I'm open to doing whatever it takes to keep you all in the loop.
Yes. Please keep the FAQ updated. The new information is much appreciated.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 07:27:28
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Agreed, please keep the FAQs updated as you learn more. Thanks for all you do and have done over the years. Hoping things work out for you and all of your user base. Hey, here's an idea as a gesture for the Lifetime folks like me.. make the Pro Channels Modules available to us for free!
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 07:40:39
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Thank you Mr. Customer Support. Most of us really appreciate any bits of information you can provide. Any information you give goes a long way of either confirming or dispelling the rampant rumors flying around the Internet. The more we know, the less we have to guess.
For example, many people believe (and still do) that Cakewalk is finished as a company and Sonar is dead in the water. But you mentioned the possibility of being bought out (however remote it may be), that gives us some hope that we haven't seen the last of Cakewalk.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 08:55:47
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 13:48:08
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/12/01 14:17:51
Glad to see such great feedback. Of course, I'll have to run some of this by the people that are a bit higher up the chain than myself, but I think we can definitely do most of what you all are recommending. The one thing I'd be a little skeptical about is setting up an email blast, only because nothing we have going on seems to be written in stone. Without a firm understanding of direction, I wouldn't want to put that type of message out just yet. That's why I think using the forum and FAQ, and starting a new thread dedicated to updates may be the best route. In regards to the continued questions about authorization, my best guess is that will be the very last piece of news that is released. The auth solution should be dependent on the direction of the company moving forward. As nice as it sounds to permanently unlock SONAR and the other Cakewalk products, I personally think that would devalue the company and make it less likely for Cakewalk to be revived. I'll check in and see what I can do, and I'll also try to be more active across the forum in general. It sounds like it's definitely helpful to hear from us as often as possible, so I'll continue the trend if it helps!
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 14:04:06
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 14:09:44
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Thank you Cakewalk for bringing us up to speed. This FAQ, or whichever thread, seems like a great place to keep these updates coming. I'm so sorry for all you guys at Cakewalk. It can't be much fun right now. I personally didn't pay more than $120 for my lifetime updates and got a year of updates for that...so am pretty ok about the whole LTU thing. The only concern I have, for me...is the ability to authorize new installs on new pc's down the road. Simples. I love Sonar, it has taken a long time to learn, and I want to carry on using this lovely program for many years to come, so thanks for sonar! It's really good to know that Cakewalk are here listening, and talking.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 16:02:50
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Customer Support [Cakewalk] Glad to see such great feedback. Of course, I'll have to run some of this by the people that are a bit higher up the chain than myself, but I think we can definitely do most of what you all are recommending. The one thing I'd be a little skeptical about is setting up an email blast, only because nothing we have going on seems to be written in stone. Without a firm understanding of direction, I wouldn't want to put that type of message out just yet. That's why I think using the forum and FAQ, and starting a new thread dedicated to updates may be the best route. In regards to the continued questions about authorization, my best guess is that will be the very last piece of news that is released. The auth solution should be dependent on the direction of the company moving forward. As nice as it sounds to permanently unlock SONAR and the other Cakewalk products, I personally think that would devalue the company and make it less likely for Cakewalk to be revived. I'll check in and see what I can do, and I'll also try to be more active across the forum in general. It sounds like it's definitely helpful to hear from us as often as possible, so I'll continue the trend if it helps!
Great to hear once again from Cakewalk Team. I have new faith that Cakewalk will indeed be survived now, somehow. Hopefully not by some other lesser or undeserving competitor daw that may ruin it, but otherwise a clean rebirth of it, maybe even a brighter future. Weirder things have happened in the world. Thanks so much for the contact, and look fwd to seeing an official new faq/update post that is locked view only so won’t get bogged down in comments. Maybe create an official mirror post for users to comment on per subject contained within. Sure we can all come up with a cleaner way to sift thru all this, yet keep everyone active. Cheers and Keep Truckin! <3 Ps, I am going to create a cool post that Cakewalk can see how everyone responds to fantasy outcomes, never know what ideas may come of it.... :-)
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 16:25:24
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Not to be too negative...but the "closing" of Cakewalk will likely forever taint them. Unless some company like Microsoft picks them up etc. etc. which in reality IMHO is unlikely at this point. Gibson will forever have put a stink on them.
Now, I greatly appreciate Noel and all the Bakers' efforts in their support for the last 10 or more years (for my time in Sonar) and want nothing but the best for him and teammates. But the company isn't looking like it will get a rebirth after all this time. Gibson has surely known for a long time they were going to shutter Cake. And there has been no concrete evidence any company is going to acquire their code or the company outright.
*All that said....I hope I'm wrong and something good for all happens, especially Cakewalk former employees.....and during the holidays. 😊 and us Users.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 17:14:58
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☄ Helpfulby RickJP909 2017/12/01 19:22:37
Dear Support, First, I'd like to note how truly sorry I am that you all have to go through the loss of a job and the shuttering of what was a remarkable piece of software that had both the gravitas of something of a "tradition" behind it and a view to the future. Cakewalk Sonar was unique in that respect. And that difference has to make the pain of what you all have experienced that much sharper. It is very clear that those who have had the role of "Baker" at Cakewalk cared about the product very much and their level of involvement reached much further than the term "day gig" would normally imply. Thank you for that! Thanks also for the comments you posted here. That note and the posting go a long way towards answering the issues and concerns that that have consumed so many of us since the news of Cakewalk's plight blindsided us. Your words are noted for their wisely measured tone and caution. While affirming the possibility of a "restructured" entity to be picking up the reins that could continue the work that was Cakewalk's niche, you stop short of encouraging speculation that could be regarded as "unlikely" or "implausible"; thanks also for this. For my part, I'd appreciate a locked post and/or FAQ on the site, updated as appropriate, with perhaps a short alert here as significant updates occur. That would seem to cover all the bases. As you mention, the unlocking so many are requesting would surely have the adverse effect of devaluing the product and reducing the chances of the software ever being revived or sold. Such an action would certainly be the death knell of Sonar, so I'm hoping that we who love Cakewalk and enjoy working with it don't ever hear that bell. I think I've been using Cakewalk/Sonar for 28 years and I was looking forward to using it for at least 28 more, so, yes, this all has been kind of difficult. Thanks to you, however, for especially being as clear as possible at this point. My prayers are offered for you that you all land "feet first" when this is all over. I'm sure that the inconvenience we've experienced is nothing compared to "heartbreak" (as one writer aptly put it) that you all feel.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 18:19:00
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Customer Support [Cakewalk] Now a question for you all: would it be helpful if we continued to update the FAQ when we receive new information, or to address some of your concerns? Otherwise, what do you think the best way for us to relay information would be? I'm open to doing whatever it takes to keep you all in the loop.
Thank you for the post. Finding an update post in the forums is sometimes not so easy with the current high volume of traffic. So, yeah, keep the FAQ up to date. I've been checking it semi frequently, so if new information is available, please add it to the FAQ. Thanks.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 19:02:19
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Agree that maintaining the FAQs would be really helpful.
If there is the possibility of some work being done then I would like to see the main installer broken in to the component parts as multiple installers would help users with different requirements.
I think this would need installers for:
Main Product Cakewalk VSTs - selectable by restricted and unrestricted Third Party VSTs - selectable by company DX and DXi Other content Help and Documentation
For an FAQ details of what VSTs are restricted to Cakewalk would be a real help.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 19:51:46
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Guys, I'd like to think that the fact that there is still something left of Cakewalk suggests to me that "it ain't over until the fat lady sings" and I hear no song just yet! Perhaps there are plans afoot otherwise Gibson could've just shut the whole operation down. Therefore I'm going to be optimistic that something will rise from the ashes. It would be pretty drastic and an absolute tragedy if after 30-years development, it was all for nothing!!! So I'd know like to address the " Customer Support [Cakewalk]" person with some questions and suggestions. I think until Gibson's full intentions with Cakewalk are addressed, we're all going to be nervous at having ploughed money into a black hole because I agree with others, if there is any truth in the financial state of Gibson or for whatever other reason they go under, "the fat lady will sing" and we'll all have a rather rude awakening which will be most unpleasant for us. However, I and others I'm sure understand that to release a key which would allow us unlimited access to current software would devalue the company, so may I suggest the following which would show incredible good will from the parent company, cost them nothing and would at least show this community that Gibson are listening to the concerns of their customers and therefore this would be a kind of reassurance. I therefore would like to propose that Sonar X3 is given with an unlimited offline licence and placed in the accounts of all current customers who's licence status with yourselves is "owned". At least this means that if something were to happen, we'd have something usable and not that old so we'd have a chance of opening current projects without too much fiddling around while still being able to work and it also gives us time to assess what to do next rather than being left without our tools and having to rush to buy another product without time to look into it. Please consider this option. How does everyone in the forum feel about this suggestion as a compromise given the dire situation? EDIT: And one more important thing that no one seems to have picked up, what does this line mean from Noel's statement "A dedicated team has been established during this transition period to continue to serve the Cakewalk community" - transition to what is the question I think we need answering please? Clearly someone knows the answer to that.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/01 20:17:16
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Just to let you know: I am trying to obtain refund of my last purchase: 1 year of monthly updates. I checked at the store, help, contact. I described that last purchase. I received an answer today, I'd have to follow a processing link within the next 7 days. I did so. What I saw there made me slightly puzzled. See the rest of my posting, and you'll see. To obtain refund. Actually, if I only wish refund for the monthly updates paid in advance for 1 year, it appears not only slightly overdone to reques destruction of entire software. That would be illogic, because the refund will not cover the value of the entire software. Just to let you know. This is the comment I sent to them after accepting that "letter of destruction": (Quote): I am asking you for refund for the amout I paid to obtain 1 year annual updates, but I see you are asking me to accept a "letter of destruction". This seems odd, since I just wish to have my money returned for a service you are not able anymore to deliver. Having stated this I declare herewith I accepted the "Letter of destruction" hoping it is limited to the original order, "1 year of monthly updates". Please confirm to avoid further complications. Best regards Dr. Werner Linden (unquote) "Letter of destruction" Customer has requested a refund from Digital River for the product(s) identified in the comments box at the bottom of this page. Customer understands and agrees that, prior to receiving a refund, Customer must take the necessary measures to delete and destroy the intellectual property licensed to Customer (for use under the terms of the Publisher's license agreement) for which Customer is seeking the refund. By clicking the "I Agree" button at the bottom of this page, Customer represents and warrants that Customer has in fact rendered the product completely unusable by Customer, and that Customer has not made any copies of the product available to any other person. Customer further represents and warrants that Customer has not kept any back up or other copies of the product for any reason. In reliance on Customer's representations and warranties, Digital River agrees it will refund the purchase price of the product to the Customer. Furthermore, Digital River will report the product as "destroyed" to the software vendor once this letter has been executed by the Customer and received at Digital River. Customer acknowledges that any continued use of the software product constitutes a willful copyright infringement on the part of Customer. By law, Customer may be liable for civil damages (including attorneys' fees) of up to 150,000 USD for each willful copyright infringement. As I said, I just wish to let you know what happens. I shall see, and report here. I expect next action from the other side to occur coming week.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers from Customer Support!
2017/12/01 23:31:58
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Howling will this forum remain up and monitored
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers from Customer Support!
2017/12/02 00:37:10
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☄ Helpfulby GregRband 2017/12/02 01:42:02
The fact that CW reps are out here trying to articulate what is known (and what isn't) speaks volumes about this group. Very classy to keep caring about your customers even while you all face difficult and uncertain decisions. A good reminder of what we all liked about this company in the first place. Thanks for all you're trying to do!
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/02 05:25:39
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☄ Helpfulby Mad_Musicologist 2017/12/02 05:46:32
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Having stated this I declare herewith I accepted the "Letter of destruction" hoping it is limited to the original order, "1 year of monthly updates".
The "Letter of Destruction" looks like typical boilerplate. Considering most of this company's business revolves around handling point of sale for online software purchases for a multitude of vendors, it stands to reason that the vast majority of refunds would require the purchaser to surrender the usage rights for any purchase which is subsequently refunded. However, you should never, ever, EVER, sign digitally or in person, any legal document that you do not fully understand and/or accept in its entirety unless you are prepared to be held accountable for any and all provisions of that document. It doesn't matter how many emails or letters you send after the fact because the document you signed will be the sole basis of any judgement against you. I think you will be fine in this case because the amount refunded will match your receipt for the update contract and you will still have your original purchase receipts to show the purchase of the software. If you have actually downloaded and installed any updates that you would not have been entitled to outside of the update plan then the situation becomes messy but I think everyone involved in this has bigger fish to fry right now.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/02 06:09:49
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Thanks, "dnelson1971", as I said I shall report how things go on. I just wanted to let the community know what happens when you ask for any refund. Presently things look to me as if they [Gibson] intend to frighten us to ask for any refund of whatsoever. Which would be fitting to the rumours that the company Gibson is simply (short before) broke. If so, it would be wiser for their managers to find someone who buys the entire product line Cakewalk with all its refined applications and smooth updating technology to a company that is willing also to employ the entire Cakewalk staff. I wouldn't go as far as to say Cakewalk products must stay an independent line for ever and ever, I could think of introducing all those nice VSt plugins from Dimension to Rapture, TTS and Z3TA+2 (they could also build a bridge for hosts which respond to RTAS) , and those helpful things like "mix recall", sooner or later into their own DAW. But it would be an immense wasting of knowledge, and of peoples commitment just to shut everything down as it seems they are determined to. Gibson Managers, you lack of phantasy and creativity, and you are letting others bleed for your incompetence. Shame.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/02 07:47:52
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It seems inevitable Gibson will go into Receivership at $520 mil debt, they cannot pay back and the credit bubble is up. While closing some arteries not making money seems logical it is really an indicator the company is in or close enough to Receivership. Closing Factories, Cakewalk and the next is the sign of the end. Cakewalk will be sold off for peanuts and will reemerge as something not tainted by a closure that will have to be paid for all over again. The case action for breach of contract needs to go to Gibson very soon. LOL Who cares! I just bought Sonar Pro outright on thew 30th Oct, and havent installed it as been busy and happy with X3 for so long. I have no customer support nor updates which I signed up for. I don't even know if it is buggy or not. I am only out of pocket $200AU Hardly a claim worth worrying about on it's own.
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Re: Gibson / Cakewalk Announcement FAQ - Finally Some Answers!
2017/12/02 09:15:43
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Thanks for the info and the straight up talk Mr Customer Support. Appreciated. I'm not moving onto anything else. I've backed up everything, copied all my activation codes and serial numbers into a spread sheet, and good to keep going. If we are given further support, then great, no big deal. I also would like to see updates in the FAQ. But in relation to some of your comments, I feel I have already got more than money's worth with the LTM. It wasn't never a great expense, particularly when compared to some other DAWS, and the cost of moving, and relearning etc, is just not worth it at this point. So, thanks again for the update. I wish you and everyone else all the best. If some ex-staff/ current users can keep us afloat for another year or so, awesome. cheers. Dave.
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