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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/04/30 18:31:34 (permalink)
I just want to say that I just installed the beta bios "13b" that was provided to me from Janus in Gigabyte Tech support for the GA-P35-DS4(rev2.0) and it works like a champ. with F12, and a barebones simple new XP Pro install, not even a soundcard installed, I was seeing regular speaks in the 700us range and occasionally some around 1500us. Installed F13b and now a "spike" is 40us, even when I am moving the mouse around like crazy...and often times it is under 10us.

I think Gigabyte is on top of the issue, whatever it is. Let's hope it makes it out into all of their board's production BIOS releases.

By the way, a Q6600 is in my board and its overclocked lightly to 3.01ghz and working fine with this bios, but I left the settings from the previous BIOS as suggested by Dan in order to retain the vcore settings.

Anyway, just wanted to report something positive.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/04/30 19:58:16 (permalink)
Good news indeed, dewdman. I believe they will come through for us.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/04/30 21:03:34 (permalink)
Good to hear dewdman

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/05 04:52:51 (permalink)
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This is great news! Can you post me a link to this bios, or can provide it somehow? I'll PM you in addition, so you perhaps can send it to me by email

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/06 02:10:17 (permalink)
Absolutely! kwild sent me the beta-bios (thanks!) and my system runs stable and with 128 samples latency until asio reaches 100%, then the first(!) klicks appear.



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average DPC is 12 µs

USB MIDI does it's own to the DPC: when having big MIDI traffic such as controllers DPC reaches 125 µs, bud did not affect audio at all until now.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/07 22:05:04 (permalink)
I'm trying to flash my bios to a new beta bios which Gigabyte sent me but I'm having a time getting Qflash to see my flash drive. My motherboard is GA-P35-DS3L, Windows XP. Hopefully this new file will correct the DPC issue.

So when I press 'end' while booting up and get to the Qflash utility, I'm given a choice to "Update Bios from Drive". It lists two 'floppy drives', one of which I believe is my flash drive. But when I click on it to access the beta bios file, I get nothing. There are no files listed on the drive -- even though the flash drive is connected to the computer and the beta bios had been unzipped there. It further says that the drive has equal amounts of total size/free size. So it's seeing nothing on the drive. Flash Drive is formatted with Fat32.

Anyone know what's going on or why I can't access the flash drive?

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/07 22:09:23 (permalink)
I don't know how to help you. I actually used a flash drive this morning to do my Gigabyte bios and it was totally painless. My flash drive is an SD card kind of thing...and it showed up as HD in Q-flash, was totally painless. Not sure what is going on with you, but I'm pretty sure its an issue about the flash drive being formatted correctly. Check with gigabyte support or the TweakTown forum for more help on that.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/07 22:27:01 (permalink)
Thanks dewdman, I'll try over at tweaktown.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/07 23:16:47 (permalink)
Ok, finally got the board to flash. I believe the problem was with the Lexar Jump USB drive. I ended up making a small fat32 partition on one of my hard drives and flashed from there.

BUT!! the beta bios P35DS3L.F8n did not fix the problem. Still getting spikes -- in fact, the spikes were a bit worse, but still under 1000.

So, I tried the old f3 bios, and that DID get rid of the spikes.

But just curious, to those of you with this motherboard (ga-p35-ds3l), has anyone used the P35DS3L.F8n beta bios and if so, did it get rid of your spikes?

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/08 08:28:44 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Mahlon

Ok, finally got the board to flash. I believe the problem was with the Lexar Jump USB drive. I ended up making a small fat32 partition on one of my hard drives and flashed from there.

BUT!! the beta bios P35DS3L.F8n did not fix the problem. Still getting spikes -- in fact, the spikes were a bit worse, but still under 1000.

So, I tried the old f3 bios, and that DID get rid of the spikes.

But just curious, to those of you with this motherboard (ga-p35-ds3l), has anyone used the P35DS3L.F8n beta bios and if so, did it get rid of your spikes?

Thanks,
Mahlon

Same experience here. f8n made it worse. f3 fixed it. I've stopped messin' with it.

"If it works... don't fix it".

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 10:42:06 (permalink)
Hi guys! Just decided to purchase GA-P35-DS3R and sadly there is no this model in warehouse anymore :(
They offered me GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R with this E before the chip set...
Any experience...?


Currently I'm with Asus P5K but I cant get rid of DPC spikes... Reading all the forums and disabling everything/new drivers, updates...etc.../
Also I've found that the PCI slots on P5K are shared and on the GB mobo the 1st one is dedicated. That's why I decided to move on Gigabyte.
EMU1212M here

Thanks!
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 10:49:56 (permalink)
Hi guys! Just decided to purchase GA-P35-DS3R and sadly there is no this model in warehouse anymore :(
They offered me GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R with this E before the chip set...

That's the one I'm using, with the F3f BIOS it works like a charm. PM me if you want me to email the F3f BIOS to you. The Latest on the Gigabyte site is F3e. My DPC Latency is flat as a pancake now with the F3f BIOS.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 10:54:46 (permalink)
Wow, great! Just placed my order!! :)
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 10:59:53 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dimitar

Currently I'm with Asus P5K but I cant get rid of DPC spikes... Reading all the forums and disabling everything/new drivers, updates...etc.../
Also I've found that the PCI slots on P5K are shared and on the GB mobo the 1st one is dedicated. That's why I decided to move on Gigabyte.
EMU1212M here

Thanks!
Dimi


Interesting that you are experiencing spikes with the Asus P5K. Are they a repeating pattern as shown in the first post in this thread, or a constant spiking? How high are they?

I've been using the beta BIOS (F4b) on my GA-EP35-DS4 for about a month without any problems. I have a Q6600 overclocked to 3.2 (8x400) 1600 FSB without problems. The DPC spiking is gone with the beta BIOS, at least on my motherboard. Gigabyte still hasn't released an official BIOS that fixes the DPC spiking. I hope that doesn't indicate a problem, but you might want to keep that in mind before you buy one.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 11:08:56 (permalink)
repeating pattern and sometimes constant spiking...:(
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 11:12:53 (permalink)


just my 2 cents, I got pretty decent result with my ASUS P5B Deluxe motherboard, it's pretty old compare to P35 chipset boards.
it does support all Intel latest CPU on the market, so folks has problems with P35 chips motherboard could have try this one, it also built in with TI chipset firewire interface, I think the price of this board goes down abit now since it's relatively old :)
post edited by Darkinners - 2008/05/23 11:13:45
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 13:13:14 (permalink)
Running the GA-P35-DS4 here with beta bios 13B, which also eliminated the DPC spiking. Running here at 3.2ghz also, no problems. Hopefully gigabyte will move these fixes into production, but I agree with Dan, you might want to consider that issues before you buy a gigabyte board.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 13:17:59 (permalink)
What board is tested and working stable than Asus and Gigabyte ?
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 14:59:36 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dewdman42

Running the GA-P35-DS4 here with beta bios 13B, which also eliminated the DPC spiking. Running here at 3.2ghz also, no problems.


Dewdman,

Did the Xigmatek cooler work out for you?

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 15:02:58 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dimitar

What board is tested and working stable than Asus and Gigabyte ?



It's not that the Gigabyte boards aren't working, just that you need the beta BIOS to get rid of the DPC spiking. They are great motherboards.

I bought an Asus P5K Pro to replace the Gigabyte while I was still able to return it, but Gigabyte came through with the beta BIOS and I decided to keep the Gigabyte board and return the Asus. So far, this is the most reliable system I've ever used.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 15:19:06 (permalink)
Seems to be working good. Overclocked to 3.2ghz now and idle temps are around 32C while mousing around and surfing the net. Prime95 loads it up in the upper 40's. Using vcore 2.875.

I had it overclocked a little higher, but the temps were getting into the 50's, even approaching 60 and I had to go well over 1.3v, etc..I just decided that this is a nice compromise and the difference in performance between 3.2ghz and 3.4ghz is not that much. It runs cooler now at 3.2ghz with this cooler, then it did at 3.0ghz with the stock cooler. but it seems like moving up from here requires quite a few more volts, so I'm sticking with 3.2ghz for now.

I didn't end up using the backplate thing to mount it because I read about the copper plate on the back of my mobo. I didn't take it out of the case to find out. Anyway, I have an extra backplate if anyone needs it now. ha ha. but it seems to work fine without it.

One question, are you seeing as a pretty regular pattern that the first core always seems to be just a bit warmer than the other cores? The 2nd core also, but not as much as the first. ?? For example, right now while mostly idle, first core is 35 and the others are 32. That is pretty typical. Under load the difference is a little bigger.

On another note, I have spent the past couple weeks playing around with hackintosh OSX on this pc and I have to say, I am impressed. Everything works 100%. I even got several of my win32 VST plugins working using Wine and EnergyXT, together with JackOSX. Works very well. I can even run Reaper in wine. Sonar does not work on wine though and probably never will. I had Project5 working briefly, but I would need to spend more time to sort out the problems after I upgraded to 2.5, if possible at all. I even got prime95 running under wine on OSX. Wild.

Most likely I will change to OSX permanently to be honest. I am so impressed with that OS and I have lost faith in Microsoft for the future. ...the OSX desktop experience is WAY SUPERIOR than anything else. I'm really impressed. The "Spaces" feature alone is worth the price of admission.

Anyway, one thing I found out through this experiment is that our mobo is one of the most compatible ones to use with Kalyway hackintosh. Frankly, I will probably end up buying a real mac next, but for now, I am going to use this. Performance wise, I'm benchmarking numbers that come pretty close to MacPro performance levels and blow away all the iMac and MacBook numbers.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 15:22:17 (permalink)
what version of hackintosh ??? :) thats sounds cool...
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 15:29:06 (permalink)
Kalyway 10.5.2
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 16:46:47 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dewdman42


One question, are you seeing as a pretty regular pattern that the first core always seems to be just a bit warmer than the other cores? The 2nd core also, but not as much as the first. ?? For example, right now while mostly idle, first core is 35 and the others are 32. That is pretty typical. Under load the difference is a little bigger.



I have the same differences. I had them with the stock cooler, too. From what I've read, I think it's normal to have about a 5C difference between cores.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/23 16:50:02 (permalink)
cool. I won't worry about it then.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/26 14:24:23 (permalink)
Anyone with this problem. Just got GA-EP35-DS3R. Installed XP without problem but after tried the CD with Gigabyte drivers I've got this:
Also I can browse the installation cd but after tried to copy some files it says there are problems...
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/26 18:49:01 (permalink)
It was bad DVD media...
GA-EP35-DS3R.
I have installed my mobo now and all seems to work fine.
updated the bios, some usb ports disabled.
EMU1212M sound card on 1st slot - no IRQ sharing.

I've noticed DPC spikes when I'm trying to access the video settings. It is Gigabyte 8500 512mb silence model.
DPC meter Jumps to 500 - 700 us also when open Easy Tune it makes some bad spikes.

What video card model or brand do you suggest me for better compatibility with my new motherboard GA-EP35-DS3R.
post edited by dimitar - 2008/05/26 19:09:16
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/26 20:28:09 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dimitar


I've noticed DPC spikes when I'm trying to access the video settings. It is Gigabyte 8500 512mb silence model.
DPC meter Jumps to 500 - 700 us also when open Easy Tune it makes some bad spikes.

What video card model or brand do you suggest me for better compatibility with my new motherboard GA-EP35-DS3R.


I would recommend that you don't use the Easy Tune or Dynamic Energy Saving software. They caused pops and clicks on my system. I make overclocking changes in the BIOS. Also, you can't use the DES software if you are overclocking, anyway.

Are you getting DPC spikes using the new beta BIOS?

I'm using an eVGA 7900GS KO 256MB video card without any DPC spiking, but it's an older card. Are you just experiencing spikes with you access the video settings, or when there is video activity? If it's just when accessing the settings I wouldn't worry about it.

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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/27 03:08:07 (permalink)
With new beta BIOS DPC spikes are occasional.
I'm getting some around 500-800 when access the video settings or access EasyTune. The Dynamic Energy Saving software is not installed.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC 2008/05/27 23:15:14 (permalink)
Does anybody have a GA-P35-DS3P (rev 2.0) [not an EP]? I got a beta BIOS last night but it did NOT resolve DPC latency spikes. In fact ths spikes went from an occaisional one of 500 every 5 seconds to a constant level of just over 500. Anybody else seeing this or have a suggestion on how to fix?
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