bitflipper


When MS Office went to this style, I initially hated it with a passion, 9 out of 10 on the I-Hate-It scale.

After working with it for a while, rediscovering where once-familiar things had moved to, and appreciating the grand scheme the UI designers were after, I find that I now only hate it about 8 out of 10.

Very well put! Thanks for being so eloquent!

Keni

To the OP: What is in X1 and what is a ribbon control are not even close to being the same thing, so I find it hard to understand how you can compare them.

X1's "Control Bar" is simply an oversized static toolbar. I don't even think CW tried at any level to emulate a ribbon control. A lot of the faux outrage at the ribbon is simply because it came from MS.

Now if CW actually used some of the ribbon concepts, I would not have to hide modules that I really don't want to simply because I don't have enough real estate. Maybe if they had tabs at the top so that I can group similar functionality together (or maybe just a context menu where I can select from my own custom groups), then I could switch to whichever group makes the most sense at the time, Recording, Mixing, Comping, or whatever.

As it is though I really fail to see the connection. Can you elaborate on which parts you feel make it a "ribbon"?

more .net silliness

http://www.devexpress.com...s/Bars/dock_window.xml

mike_mccue


more .net silliness

http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/Controls/WinForms/Bars/dock_window.xml

It depends on what you use it for. In a complex application like Visual Studio 2010 for instance, something like that works well. Not sure why you are ranting against those controls though. You do realize they are not from MS, right?

I wouldn't mind if they included ALL the Sonar 8.5.3 control bar buttons in the X1 control bar split into a ribbon of say "Tracking" "Mixing/arranging" "audio&MIDI editing" 

As long as the different ribbons used key bindings... 

It seem you guys just plan on denying that tabbed menus which Microsoft wants to patent as part of the "Ribbon" aren't part of the concept?

Any one can choose to like or dislike the Ribbon concept, but denying it exists in SONAR seems... well, like denial.

mike_mccue


It seem you guys just plan on denying that tabbed menus which Microsoft wants to patent as part of the "Ribbon" aren't part of the concept?

Any one can choose to like or dislike the Ribbon concept, but denying it exists in SONAR seems... well, like denial.

Can you point to the tabs in X1's Control Bar? They don't show up for me, even if I select more modules that can fit on the screen.

They are right where you think they are.

Where is that? A picture would be useful.

I'm confused...what am I supposed to be mad about?

Don't you mean the "tabs" on the CB?  I think they must be hypothetical, or theoretical, or multi-dimensional,  or something.  My CB looks like a static CB.  It just sits there, not being tabbed, fuming with jealous rage over the Microsoft ribbon and its actual tabs.

spanky


I'm confused...what am I supposed to be mad about?

LOL!

I like Microsoft's Ribbon.

*ducks*

But seriously I do. It didn't really take me that long to adjust once I started using it.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Poco

bitflipper


When MS Office went to this style, I initially hated it with a passion, 9 out of 10 on the I-Hate-It scale.

After working with it for a while, rediscovering where once-familiar things had moved to, and appreciating the grand scheme the UI designers were after, I find that I now only hate it about 8 out of 10.

I'm with bit on this one.  I develop stuff using the MS Business Intelligence stack, and Excel is one of the front ends for analyzing data.  The new versions seem to contain change for change sake.  I see the OS's the same.  Windows 7 operationally does not do anything much more that XP does, but they had to move everything around just to hack guys like me off.

To me, Win7 is so much better than XP, from a pure functionality and ease of use standpoint (not to even mention stability) that I don't even think there's much of a comparison.

Congrats on 666 posts btw :-)

Crappy change
Here's a perfect example:  the Show Desktop function.  In XP its in my Quick Launch toolbar, in Win 7 it's at the extreme right side of the taskbar, with no indication whatsoever of what the little gray button actually does in Win 7.  Guess what these two, differently presented, differently located controls do differently.  Can you guess?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  They both SHOW THE DESKTOP.  Can you guess how much value was added to Win 7 as a result of this change?  Can you?  Can you guess how irritated I was to have to dig around for a simple control that I use all the time?  It's a stupid change by a stupid design decision, by guys who don't know or have discarded one their company's core disciplines.
 
Now multiply this hack-off factor by about a thousand stupid pointless little changes, and you will arrive at my present state of annoyment with Microsoft. 
 
BTW are you aware of the discipline that they have discarded?  It's one that was in great part what made MS sucessfull.  It's called the Windows Interface Guidelines.  It's the book that we lived by when we designed desktop client software.  It ensured that users would experience short learning curves when encountering new MS software because it ensured that the software would look and act just like all the other MS software that those users already knew how to use.
 
By breaking with this concept, MS has ensured that users are loathe to upgrade their software because they know they will spend a great deal of time re-learning how to do things they already knew how to do with the old software.  Do you know that I just used Ctrl-B to bold that last line of text?  Guess how I knew that that would work.  CAN YOU GUESS?????
 
I think this is one of the major gripes with X1.  It makes music.  That's what it does.  That's what 8.5.3 does too.  Why should I spend tremdous amounts of time re-learning how to make music with SONAR?  Are the changes you have made so good that they are worth that frustration?  I am real good and real fast at making music with 8.5.3 (BTW, I used Ctrl I to italicise that text.  Can you guess how I knew that would work?) .  How long will it take me to get to that point with X1?  Will it have been worth the effort?  I sure hope so, because I hate doing things twice, and I have already spent years perfecting my usage of the 8.5 paradigm.
 
Put some o' that in yer pipe...
 
Poco
 
P.S.  I own it, but I am not using it until it's fixed.  It's bad enough to have to re-learn something, but it's downright insulting to have to try to do that when the something you are trying to re-learn is broken.
 
-P

Roll on X1B when I just MIGHT be able to contribute to these discussions

poco +1