Yay! I got Meme'd! 
 
(you forgot the 'g' though)

Mind you, I do sound like a pompous git.
 
(no change there then)

SuperMarioGamer

jamesg1213

SuperMarioGamer
 
Let me try to illustrate my point here.  I'm quite sure many people have listened to one of Beethoven's songs which begins with that famous and catchy:

"Bom bom bom booooooooooom.  Bom bom bom boooooooooom."

Even though this portion of his song is just 4 notes repeated, it's still great.  Of course, it isn't just the 4 notes repeated.  There is also proper chords and whatnot to go along with that repeated 4-note melody.  Now, even if Beethoven stopped there and decided to only share that, it would still be something great.  

That repeated 4-note melody Beethoven has chosen obviously wasn't some basic, lame, mediocre tune.  Anybody could choose a 4-note melody like Beethoven.  But it takes a great artist to choose the right 4 notes that conveys something great.  
 

 
You're just embarrassing yourself now, please stop.
 
Beethoven's 5th symphony in C minor is not a 'song', it's a 36 minute symphony. Those '4 catchy notes'  are the introduction to a major work by one of the geniuses of classical music.
 
They're not repeated either, they're played once then developed harmonically and thematically. I suggest you actually listen to it.
 
Please, don't even think about aligning your rudimentary ditties to that, it's beyond laughable.

For someone who's used to living their life by a high, professional musical standard, it might very well seem ridiculous to assume that a simple, crafted melody is all that's needed to make music good.  But imagine the casual standard of a music teacher teaching students who are complete beginners to composing.  

If a student has chosen a melody with a few notes, made it into a fully crafted tune, and this choice was something more than what some average composer plucking out any old keys would up with, then that student might get the gold star.  He might be praised by this teacher.  

That goes back to my Beethoven example with how his choice of a 4-note crafted melody was something more than what the average, lame composer could come up with.  To me, that's all that's needed to make music good.  Making it into a fully crafted song would be much better.  

But just having the crafted melody itself is good enough and should be appreciated.  A professional standard would say that's not good enough and that it's nothing more than something very basic and simple.  But a casual standard would say that's good enough.  Like I said, I think this casual standard is a reasonable standard.    

 
Listen to Charlie Puth.  His songs are catchy, but he's kind of plain jane when it comes to PR.  Songs are an entertainment package.  You're boring like charlie puth. :(

SuperMarioGamer

Beepster

SuperMarioGamer

Beepster
If it's good enough for you then you should not give a flying fart what anyone else thinks.

My whole goal in composing is to share music that other people would really love.  But, I suspect people are having too high of a standard which is preventing them from appreciating the greatness and catchiness of my tunes.  Therefore, I'm asking others to lower their standards so they can appreciate my tunes.  I think such a lowered standard is a reasonable standard.

Man, you've posted some ridiculous stuff on here but this one takes the proverbial cake. I'm thinking you've worn this handle out. How many have you burned through now? Four, five?

Let me try to illustrate my point here.  I'm quite sure many people have listened to one of Beethoven's songs which begins with that famous and catchy:

"Bom bom bom booooooooooom.  Bom bom bom boooooooooom."

Even though this portion of his song is just 4 notes repeated, it's still great.  Of course, it isn't just the 4 notes repeated.  There is also proper chords and whatnot to go along with that repeated 4-note melody.  Now, even if Beethoven stopped there and decided to only share that, it would still be something great.  

That repeated 4-note melody Beethoven has chosen obviously wasn't some basic, lame, mediocre tune.  Anybody could choose a 4-note melody like Beethoven.  But it takes a great artist to choose the right 4 notes that conveys something great.  

For example, some lame, techno music producer could choose some 4-note melody to repeat and make into a fully crafted tune.  But it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as Beethoven's 4-note craft.  

I don't think I'm the equivalent of some lame composer choosing any old notes on the keyboard.  I truly think I'm making an excellent choice of notes that I have yet to make into a full craft.  These fully crafted tunes should be something very good and catchy. 

The theme in the intro of Symphony No. 5 by Beethoven is not great. It is just sounds. The gratenes of the Allegro con brio is how he uses this theme. If you learn music you hear how he twist it thought the first part. That is great music.
 
And if you vant go make music for others. Research what they like. Not doin that is disrespect. If you want to sell anything you make yourself, make what people want. If somebody hire you to make a metal tune for them and you give then somethin else, you wont get paid. And your not a good composer. Not even decent one.
 
If you show your music to others the first thing you need to do is try to understand what was suksessfull and what's not. Even the greatest composer did change their composition after feedback from the audience. Saying audience are wrong are not only dumb, but rude. You are insulting their taste of music.

ØSkald
Saying audience are wrong are not only dumb, but rude. You are insulting their taste of music.

And just so SuperMarioWhatever understands who is saying this I figured I might as well post one of Oskald's compositions (sorry but I could not find your mix Oyvind and mine is rather tinny but it gets the point across).
 
Kjerlighet
 
Also I just wanted to listen to it again because it's an awesome tune.
 
Hope you been good, man.
 

ØSkald

SuperMarioGamer

Beepster

SuperMarioGamer

Beepster
If it's good enough for you then you should not give a flying fart what anyone else thinks.

My whole goal in composing is to share music that other people would really love.  But, I suspect people are having too high of a standard which is preventing them from appreciating the greatness and catchiness of my tunes.  Therefore, I'm asking others to lower their standards so they can appreciate my tunes.  I think such a lowered standard is a reasonable standard.

Man, you've posted some ridiculous stuff on here but this one takes the proverbial cake. I'm thinking you've worn this handle out. How many have you burned through now? Four, five?

Let me try to illustrate my point here.  I'm quite sure many people have listened to one of Beethoven's songs which begins with that famous and catchy:

"Bom bom bom booooooooooom.  Bom bom bom boooooooooom."

Even though this portion of his song is just 4 notes repeated, it's still great.  Of course, it isn't just the 4 notes repeated.  There is also proper chords and whatnot to go along with that repeated 4-note melody.  Now, even if Beethoven stopped there and decided to only share that, it would still be something great.  

That repeated 4-note melody Beethoven has chosen obviously wasn't some basic, lame, mediocre tune.  Anybody could choose a 4-note melody like Beethoven.  But it takes a great artist to choose the right 4 notes that conveys something great.  

For example, some lame, techno music producer could choose some 4-note melody to repeat and make into a fully crafted tune.  But it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as Beethoven's 4-note craft.  

I don't think I'm the equivalent of some lame composer choosing any old notes on the keyboard.  I truly think I'm making an excellent choice of notes that I have yet to make into a full craft.  These fully crafted tunes should be something very good and catchy. 

The theme in the intro of Symphony No. 5 by Beethoven is not great. It is just sounds. The gratenes of the Allegro con brio is how he uses this theme. If you learn music you hear how he twist it thought the first part. That is great music.
 
And if you vant go make music for others. Research what they like. Not doin that is disrespect. If you want to sell anything you make yourself, make what people want. If somebody hire you to make a metal tune for them and you give then somethin else, you wont get paid. And your not a good composer. Not even decent one.
 
If you show your music to others the first thing you need to do is try to understand what was suksessfull and what's not. Even the greatest composer did change their composition after feedback from the audience. Saying audience are wrong are not only dumb, but rude. You are insulting their taste of music.

But I heard that greatness is entirely subjective when it comes to music.  So, if a person sees one simple tune as great and catchy, then, to that person, it would be great and catchy.  But, someone who sees it as nothing good or catchy wouldn't be anything good or catchy for that person.  My point is, if I wish to create music that pleases many people, then my music would have to be fully crafted songs that meet their expectations. 
 
But, if I only wish to please a crowd who appreciates simple, good, catchy tunes, then I don't need to create fully crafted songs.  Any fully crafted melodies I share should be good enough.  So, for some people, that 4-note melody of Beethoven's which you said is just sound would, in fact, be good enough for some people.  Now, I will definitely consider creating fully crafted songs.  As a matter of fact, I think I will do that someday when I become a skilled and educated composer.   

The theme here is "ugly". Bach got it as a challenge. There is not much to build on musically. Its mostly chromatic lines. Only thing to recognize is the 4 notes with some motive like melody and the end part.
 
What Bach made out of this "nothing" is what makes this one of the all times greatest work in theme based music.
 

BWV 1079 - Musical Offering (Scrolling)
 
Nobody remember a catchy melody without proper context.

ØSkald
The theme here is "ugly". Bach got it as a challenge. There is not much to build on musically. Its mostly chromatic lines. Only thing to recognize is the 4 notes with some motive like melody and the end part.

What Bach made out of this "nothing" is what makes this one of the all times greatest work in theme based music.


BWV 1079 - Musical Offering (Scrolling)

Nobody remember a catchy melody without proper context.

But there are people out there who would embrace and appreciate simple melodies such as that 4-note melody of Beethoven's which you said was nothing more than sound.  So, some people require more than just a simple melody while others are just fine with simple melodies.  It all depends on your musical standards.  For example, friends and family might very well appreciate a very simple melody while professionals require a fully crafted song.  Friends and family have, in fact, praised and appreciated simple tunes I've made.  They sung them to themselves and thought they were good and catchy.

Beepster
In a way you already are a composer... of incessant jibbering.
 
You kind of suck at that too though.
 
Sad. Low energy.

Friends and family have, in fact, praised and appreciated simple tunes I've made.  They sung them to themselves and thought they were good and catchy.  So, what I'm saying is not 'incessant jibbering.'

But you forgot to repeat the melody at the lower octave to make it complete.  After all, that's what conveys the greatness and catchiness of Beethoven's melody (along with, of course, having chords and whatnot to go along with that melody).  When I create melodies, I usually don't have just one simple melody like that.  There's a bit more to my melodies.  So, my melodies are complete and that's why they convey greatness and catchiness to my friends and family.  Also, just so you know, some of my melodies have more than just 4 repeated notes to them.
 

Voda La Void
Well let's keep in mind that SuperMarioGamer said he was autistic in a previous post, so either that was him playing games or he's actually autistic, which could explain this disconnect between emotion and music and how it just seems to escape his understanding.  
 
Or he could be having fun with this personality and driving us all nuts...

Good point.

jamesg1213

SuperMarioGamer
But you forgot to repeat the melody at the lower octave to make it complete.  After all, that's what conveys the greatness and catchiness of Beethoven's melody (along with, of course, having chords and whatnot to go along with that melody).  When I create melodies, I usually don't have just one simple melody like that.  There's a bit more to my melodies.  So, my melodies are complete and that's why they convey greatness and catchiness to my friends and family.  Also, just so you know, some of my melodies have more than just 4 repeated notes to them.
 

 
Well there you are then. You've done it. You're better than Beethoven. No need to write anything else. Forget any chords and 'whatnots', don't need any of that.
 
You're not deaf as well are you?

I'm not saying my simple tunes are as great as a fully crafted symphony by Beethoven.  So, I'm not saying I'm as great or better than Beethoven.  I'm simply saying I'm the equivalent of a professional musical artist (even Beethoven) choosing simple, good, catchy melodies.  I have added chords and whatnot to some of my tunes though. 

However, some people might actually get the melodies I'm trying to convey without any chords and whatnot.  For example, I think people would definitely get that repeated 4-note melody of Beethoven's, its greatness, and catchiness even without anything else to that melody.  Lastly, I'm not deaf.

SuperMarioGamer
 I have added chords and whatnot to some of my tunes though. 

 
I'm interested in this 'whatnot' you keep mentioning. Can you be more specific?