I want to love X3!

I watched your videos in which you show the menu lag and the track inspector issue.
 
I can tell you I don't have any of these problems.
 
What video card are you using? Could you share your system specs?
 
For the Time Value changes on the midi track, you can use shift enter to get into the edit mode for the parameter. You can use the [ ] keys to alter the values by musical increments. You can just enter a value of course.

gswitz
I watched your videos in which you show the menu lag and the track inspector issue.
 
I can tell you I don't have any of these problems.
 
What video card are you using? Could you share your system specs?
 
For the Time Value changes on the midi track, you can use shift enter to get into the edit mode for the parameter. You can use the [ ] keys to alter the values by musical increments. You can just enter a value of course.

I'm using an ADK laptop ( the 8600HW, NVDIA Geforce mobile, tailored and tweaked for audio)
My point is it's happening in X3, not in 8.5 
 
For the time switch, Shift-enter is actually longer than double clicking on the paramater but this is not addressing the
issue that I am having
 
 
 

wanna love X3

gswitz
I watched your videos in which you show the menu lag and the track inspector issue.
 
I can tell you I don't have any of these problems.
 
What video card are you using? Could you share your system specs?
 
For the Time Value changes on the midi track, you can use shift enter to get into the edit mode for the parameter. You can use the [ ] keys to alter the values by musical increments. You can just enter a value of course.

I'm using an ADK laptop ( the 8600HW, NVDIA Geforce mobile, tailored and tweaked for audio)
My point is it's happening in X3, not in 8.5 
 
For the time switch, Shift-enter is actually longer than double clicking on the paramater but this is not addressing the
issue that I am having 
 

What OS and bit depth? How much memory? So far to the best I can recall no one else has mentioned this.

I too had fx bin lag for a while. Drove me crazy!!  It took a lot of searching to find the problem(s). The part of the way solution was to upgrade my video card and also some houskeeping to remove some older or poorly written plugins. I also had snappy response with the fx bin in previous versions of sonar, including X1 and X2. So it is an X3 thing, but that doesn't mean it's a bug. X3 is built differently and I found I needed to stay with plugins that are either better written or more suited to X3. Typically most plugins were fine, but I knew I had way too many old freebies loaded.
 
Another note: My problems with the fx bin really started becoming noticeable after I loaded the LE version of Cubase that came with some hardware. Even though I uninstalled CubaseLE, the problem stayed.
 
And finally, last weekend I reformatted my hard drive and reloaded the OS and only the software I needed. It had been over 5 years and I had about 50 gb of crap camping out on my OS. Now, everything including a snappy fx bin is working great. My 5 year old machine is fast, sonar X3e is running great at low latencies. (I have a studiocat daw)
 
I hope some of this helps you as you try to find the root cause of your observations. It may require some time and effort to undo something that is interfering with X3. My ultimate solution was to have a clean OS. It was needed anyway.
 
 
Cheers

Anderton
The behavior in your video is not normal. It appears from your video that there's no master bus? Also the graphics problems are really strange, so I suspect a screwed-up installation. I suggest returning to the system restore point prior to installing Sonar, restoring, making sure any anti-virus and spyware programs are turned off, and re-installing Sonar as Administrator (ie. right-click on the exe and choose run as Administrator). I don't recall anyone on this forum having a similar problem, so unfortunately I don't think you'll see any "I had the same problem, here's how I fixed it" answers...good luck! (Or if I understood your accent, bonne chance!).

There is a master bus, the "none" refers to the automation lane on the master bus Craig ;).
Bus output denomination is right below, "adKntrl1".
 
As far as installation my stuff is pretty light and streamlined. I will definitly look at video drivers and all with the people at ADK, but I'm afraid I already know what they'll say, it will be along the lines of "well if all applications BUT this one behaves like that, then it's that application" and franckly, that kind of logic suits me as well :/
 

musicroom
I too had fx bin lag for a while. Drove me crazy!!  It took a lot of searching to find the problem(s). The part of the way solution was to upgrade my video card and also some houskeeping to remove some older or poorly written plugins. I also had snappy response with the fx bin in previous versions of sonar, including X1 and X2. So it is an X3 thing, but that doesn't mean it's a bug. X3 is built differently and I found I needed to stay with plugins that are either better written or more suited to X3. Typically most plugins were fine, but I knew I had way too many old freebies loaded.
 
Another note: My problems with the fx bin really started becoming noticeable after I loaded the LE version of Cubase that came with some hardware. Even though I uninstalled CubaseLE, the problem stayed.
 
And finally, last weekend I reformatted my hard drive and reloaded the OS and only the software I needed. It had been over 5 years and I had about 50 gb of crap camping out on my OS. Now, everything including a snappy fx bin is working great. My 5 year old machine is fast, sonar X3e is running great at low latencies. (I have a studiocat daw)
 
I hope some of this helps you as you try to find the root cause of your observations. It may require some time and effort to undo something that is interfering with X3. My ultimate solution was to have a clean OS. It was needed anyway.
 
 
Cheers

Any eLicenser presence in your old system?

wanna love X3
 
There is a master bus, the "none" refers to the automation lane on the master bus Craig ;).
Bus output denomination is right below, "adKntrl1".

 
Okay...it was hard to see on my laptop. 
 

As far as installation my stuff is pretty light and streamlined. I will definitly look at video drivers and all with the people at ADK, but I'm afraid I already know what they'll say, it will be along the lines of "well if all applications BUT this one behaves like that, then it's that application" and franckly, that kind of logic suits me as well :/



Well, a streamlined system with an ADK laptop should be a good foundation. My laptop has an nVidia Quadro 1000KM driver and there are no graphics issues; my older laptop has a GeForce 9600M and it works fine. However I did have problems on my desktop with a particular nVidia graphics card, and ended up replacing it with an ATI.
 
You've probably already done this, but just in case...have you checked for updated graphics drivers? Or rolled back to older drivers? My experience with nVidia updates has not always been great...there have been a few times I've needed to roll back to a previous driver and wait for the next update.
 
In any event what you're experiencing is pretty bizarre. Before giving up I'd try a re-install just in case something went awry during the installation process. I've forgotten to turn off anti-virus programs sometimes and had various problems with programs that were installed while it was on.

It's a performance issue not a crash so updating C++ won't be necessary.
Delays etc won't be down to antivirus. I do not recommend turning them off rather configuring them to exclude certain folders and processes. However you could turn it off temporily to see if it makes a difference.
 
> I'm using an ADK laptop ( the 8600HW, NVDIA Geforce mobile, tailored and tweaked for audio)
 
What is your specific graphics card? Looking it up you have nVidia GTX860/870/880 graphics card options:
You can downloading the latest graphics card drivers here:
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-uk
 
You will probably want to look into download the latest Intel software:
http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect
 
... and BIOS for your laptop (from ADK) if you haven't already....
 
Run all the Windows updates as well, check out most of the optional updates as well...
 
We still need to know the exact make and model of your sound interface. You should be looking at updating to the latest drivers and firmware for this device.
 
If the probem persists after this we would then be looking at X3. If you are going to ring up Cakewalk I would handle the above first before you ring them. I really would try ruling everything out before you contact them, they would be giving advice similar to this first time around.
 
(BTW it may be running well in 8.5.3 and not in X3, but this doesn't rule out anything as we are dealing with software dependencies here, therefore you are not comparing eggs with eggs. ).
 
Oh and rip out that dongle to see if it makes a difference.

Cheers...

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
How many plugins do you have installed on your system? If its moderate - 500 or so it should be fast to load the menu. I have over 1000 and there is no lag. If you have only a few plugins and are seeing lag there is most likely some performance issue with your system - disk or registry are my best guesses. Video or audio drivers are not relevant to building menus. Also plugins are not actually accessed when the menu is being built.
 
Are you loading a custom menu layout or the "default - all plugins" layout? Look under "Plug-in Layouts" to see which one is being loaded.
If you are loading a custom layout there is disk access to read the menu layout file. If your OS disk is slow or fragmented perhaps this might slow down the file access.
To build the menu SONAR accesses the registry. If you have a fragmented registry or some antivirus software that is intercepting every registry access this could affect the speed. Please turn off any AV software you may have to troubleshoot it.
 
 

I have no clue how many plugins I have but 500 seems a lot, I would say less than that. I am using my own custom plugin layout, but it is stored on my os disk wich is a pretty fast SSD drive, and defragged weekly. I don't know of anyway to defrag registry? please share. I do not have any anti virus running. Most of the time I'm not on the internet with this machine.

Anderton

wanna love X3
 
There is a master bus, the "none" refers to the automation lane on the master bus Craig ;).
Bus output denomination is right below, "adKntrl1".

 
Okay...it was hard to see on my laptop. 
 

As far as installation my stuff is pretty light and streamlined. I will definitly look at video drivers and all with the people at ADK, but I'm afraid I already know what they'll say, it will be along the lines of "well if all applications BUT this one behaves like that, then it's that application" and franckly, that kind of logic suits me as well :/



Well, a streamlined system with an ADK laptop should be a good foundation. My laptop has an nVidia Quadro 1000KM driver and there are no graphics issues; my older laptop has a GeForce 9600M and it works fine. However I did have problems on my desktop with a particular nVidia graphics card, and ended up replacing it with an ATI.
 
You've probably already done this, but just in case...have you checked for updated graphics drivers? Or rolled back to older drivers? My experience with nVidia updates has not always been great...there have been a few times I've needed to roll back to a previous driver and wait for the next update.
 
In any event what you're experiencing is pretty bizarre. Before giving up I'd try a re-install just in case something went awry during the installation process. I've forgotten to turn off anti-virus programs sometimes and had various problems with programs that were installed while it was on.


I have all the latest drivers from about a week ago, right before I backed up an image of the OS disk, all installed remotly by the peeps at adk (teamviewer is a godsend for that). I can try to revert to an earlier image... but only if its my last recourse :/

By the way - way back up in the beginning of the thread, I asked for some info, one piece of which was the driver mode in Sonar.
 
The reason I did that is that while things may work great in 8.5.3 for you, Sonar maintains a different set of stored parameter settings for Preferences for X3, so if for instance you have Driver Mode in X3 set to something different than for 8.5.3, it may be relevant, which is why I asked.
 
Sooooo, what driver mode is set in X3?
 

musicroom

wanna love X3

musicroom
I too had fx bin lag for a while. Drove me crazy!!  It took a lot of searching to find the problem(s). The part of the way solution was to upgrade my video card and also some houskeeping to remove some older or poorly written plugins. I also had snappy response with the fx bin in previous versions of sonar, including X1 and X2. So it is an X3 thing, but that doesn't mean it's a bug. X3 is built differently and I found I needed to stay with plugins that are either better written or more suited to X3. Typically most plugins were fine, but I knew I had way too many old freebies loaded.
 
Another note: My problems with the fx bin really started becoming noticeable after I loaded the LE version of Cubase that came with some hardware. Even though I uninstalled CubaseLE, the problem stayed.
 
And finally, last weekend I reformatted my hard drive and reloaded the OS and only the software I needed. It had been over 5 years and I had about 50 gb of crap camping out on my OS. Now, everything including a snappy fx bin is working great. My 5 year old machine is fast, sonar X3e is running great at low latencies. (I have a studiocat daw)
 
I hope some of this helps you as you try to find the root cause of your observations. It may require some time and effort to undo something that is interfering with X3. My ultimate solution was to have a clean OS. It was needed anyway.
 
 
Cheers

Any eLicenser presence in your old system?

 
Yes - I did have eLicenser installed.
 
 

Just tried without eLicenser, same deal

Anderton
Don't know if this is relevant, but when I checked windows for optional updates nvidia had an audio driver update for the graphics card in my laptop.

I will ring ADK today about this and see

on a totally different subject, does anyone see what I mean regarding layers vs lanes on the videos? please share some light if I am blind.
And please watch both videos I'm trying my best to explain the differences I encounter from layers to lanes. I completely agree that lanes is good for comping, but layers was a completely different poney with many tricks, regardless of the messy/buggy layout, and not solely a tool for comping.