Anderton



 

well this is just confirming my thoughts :/ If clips can't overlap (and to an extent crossfade) within lanes, the whole
idea is lost, and Take Lanes sets itself as a tool made solely for comping. Watch my layer video on sonar 8.5.3, do you see what I'm trying to convey? Sonar 8 was (and still is) the only daw where you could do this kind of creative tryouts / scratch pad stuff, super quick, within one audio track. This kind of experimentation/freedom is stull priceless to me

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Beepster

wanna love X3
 
well this is just confirming my thoughts :/ If clips can't overlap (and to an extent crossfade) within lanes, the whole
idea is lost, and Take Lanes sets itself as a tool made solely for comping. Watch my layer video on sonar 8.5.3, do you see what I'm trying to convey? Sonar 8 was (and still is) the only daw where you could do this kind of creative tryouts / scratch pad stuff, super quick, within one audio track. This kind of experimentation/freedom is stull priceless to me

Clips can indeed and do overlap in comping mode. If you zoom in on the splits you will see there is a slight crossfade between the currently audible clips. Dragging up and down changes the length of the crossfade. Dragging the split left and right moves the split and crossfade.
 
However if you want to work with a more traditional clip editing set up simply right click on the Record button in the Transport module and select Sound On Sound. Then it will behave like you seem to want. That is what I did until I fully understood comping. I still switch to it sometimes when sketching out ideas.

nope, does not overlap nore trully slip edit-crossfade within one lane, I found the upward motion crossfade but it's is very clunky with all due respect, it worked flawlessly before why change it?.

can anybody tell me how do you trully overlap within a lane? am I the only one needing this?

And there is nothing clunky about the current crossfade method. It works great and is customizable just like traditional fading. It's all about learning the hotspots.
 
Honestly I don't know what they did but the auto X-Fades are almost perfect by default. I used to spend hours carefully crafting fades manually because I HATED how most X-Fades sounded. I just stitched together a bunch of stuff yesterday and all I had to do was adjust a few splits and in some more problematic areas extend the fades a bit. Before I would have spent ages cropping tracks, adjust fade lengths, changing curves, etc... Literally hours of work done in a few minutes because of the new comping stuff.
 
My ears haven't changed. My OCD hasn't disappeared (if anything it's become more intense) so I can only conclude that auto x-fades in X3 are superior to anything I've used before... that includes X1 and X2 (both of which sucked for stitching and I actually had to either get my takes done in one long clip or create new tracks for each clip because otherwise the overlap sounded like arse even with meticulously crafted fades).
 
Just sayin'.
 

Agreed I sort of lost track of this... Cheers...

Beepster
And there is nothing clunky about the current crossfade method. It works great and is customizable just like traditional fading. It's all about learning the hotspots.
 
Honestly I don't know what they did but the auto X-Fades are almost perfect by default. I used to spend hours carefully crafting fades manually because I HATED how most X-Fades sounded. I just stitched together a bunch of stuff yesterday and all I had to do was adjust a few splits and in some more problematic areas extend the fades a bit. Before I would have spent ages cropping tracks, adjust fade lengths, changing curves, etc... Literally hours of work done in a few minutes because of the new comping stuff.
 
My ears haven't changed. My OCD hasn't disappeared (if anything it's become more intense) so I can only conclude that auto x-fades in X3 are superior to anything I've used before... that includes X1 and X2 (both of which sucked for stitching and I actually had to either get my takes done in one long clip or create new tracks for each clip because otherwise the overlap sounded like arse even with meticulously crafted fades).
 
Just sayin'.
 

Maybe the problems you had with X-fades had to do with your OCD?

Just sayin :)

Anderton
Don't know if this is relevant, but when I checked windows for optional updates nvidia had an audio driver update for the graphics card in my laptop.

I just saw this. The one that MS supplies is totally out of date and has been known to crash systems (hide it from your updates!). It seems to persist even when you may have later drivers installed. So don't install!! :) Get the very latest from nVidias site I did supply a link earlier. Just install the right driver for the model of your graphics card.

Cheers..

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wanna love X3

I would love to see (instead of read) how great lane is working for you really, because besides comping ONE track I don't see the interest.

With Layers, from a few passes of ONE lead vocal I could comp a lead, a double and two stereo sides in a blink of an eye. It's now impossible to do so.

I do this for a living and I HAVE to learn new tools and new ways all the time, I use Live in conjunction with sonar cause I needed
to use learn something new that Sonar could not do. My issue is that Sonar DID something no other software did, and doesn't do it anymore

And if there's been thousands of complaints like you're saying, well there's a reason for that wouldn't you say?

Can you post a video showing what is superior? Or can you point me to one? you or anyone else? I would really appreciate it

Okay, you're all over the place here. What do you mean "comp a lead, double and two stereo sides"? Are you talking about tracks that have been recorded simultaneously? If so that is what the "Group Clips In Folders" function is for. You set it before recording and as you comp one track all the other tracks follow the same edits.
 
OR do you mean taking a single track and creating overlapping copies for various panning and pitch changes? In which case those clips should not be in the same track anyway and you can edit them normally with lanes closed. It's helpful to get the original track to be a good full clip to work with (by using the flatten feature) then clone the track as needed.
 
Layers were not intended to act like tracks (nor are lanes). You do not allow multiple clips to sound at the same time in the same track except for very briefly during crossfades.
 
Of course everyone is entitled to their own creative process but what you seem to be describing is not a very effective or logical one for a professional.
 
And yes... I used to try to do the same thing when I first started using X1 because I didn't know any better. The results were bad and the workflow counter productive and confusing.
 
BUT... even still you can more or less do that anyway using Sound On Sound. You just have to have lanes open while doing so.
 
As far as the "complaints" that was in the X1 days which was a massive change and had quite a few REAL problems with it. They petered out a LITTLE with X2 (but new complaints cropped up). With X3 everyone has a) gotten used to the new workflow and mostly agree it's better and b) the program itself is much more mature. My point was you are making 3 year old complaints that everyone has gotten over by now because they took the time to learn the program and now like it better (aside from some very minor/user specific things).
 
The video that best describes Comping is the one in the CakeTV section of this site aptly titled "Comping". It moves quickly but has most of the pertinent info on Comping. I'm sure you have already watched it but watch it again and again and again all the while taking notes. Then read the manual entry THEN try using them again. It will do most things and the things it won't can be done in the other record modes or by simply altering your workflow a bit.

Yes we've heard this all before to be honest. It takes one to know one, it took me a while to understand it myself although my approach was different in that I recognised the gaps in my knowledge at the time.

Beepster
In a lot of ways it was a blessing that I stumbled into the Sonar game when I did. Because I had been working with an old and completely different DAW I basically had to approach it as a "complete beginner". I had absolutely zero preconceived notions about what Sonar was or what it should be. Total clean slate.
 

Well then you're clueless about what you're missing out on. And addressing me like i'm some amateur complaining because he's not doing his homework just shows further you have no idea what I am talking about. Maybe someone who used layers PROFOUNDLY and knows it deeply could share his experience from layers to lane? anyone? Btw I tried your method from 2 messages ago, no man it's not efficient, too much management, I just don't have time for detours it needs to be quick and immediate

wanna love X3

Beepster
In a lot of ways it was a blessing that I stumbled into the Sonar game when I did. Because I had been working with an old and completely different DAW I basically had to approach it as a "complete beginner". I had absolutely zero preconceived notions about what Sonar was or what it should be. Total clean slate.
 

Well then you're clueless about what you're missing out on. And addressing me like i'm some amateur complaining because he's not doing his homework just shows further you have no idea what I am talking about. Maybe someone who used layers PROFOUNDLY and knows it deeply could share his experience from layers to lane? anyone? Btw I tried your method from 2 messages ago, no man it's not efficient, too much management, I just don't have time for detours it needs to be quick and immediate

Then use 8.5. You could have very easily tried the demo before purchasing and learned about this stuff beforehand.
 
It really does not seem to me like you "wanna love X3". It seems like you want to complain about minutia and buck any kind of minor change. I used layers extensively in X1. I used one "lane" editing in my previous DAW. They were both far more cumbersome than X3's methods.
 
However I have said multiple times on the forum that I would like to see some form of parent track priority style editing options (particularly how my old DAW worked... which is right clicking on a section and choosing which clip should be on top from a list). But it is merely an unnecessary extra option that is highly specific and outdated workflow and merely serves as a minor space saver and to add some nostalgia to the program.
 
You aren't going to convince the Bakers to go back in time. There is no need to and 95%+ of us do not want them to. Sorry but that's just how it is.
 
I eagerly await tomorrows new handle.
 
Good day, sir.

wanna love X3
 You guys are the loud minority papi :/

lulz...
 
PS: I'll get right on that video detailing a custom workflow just for you. Just wait here. I'll be back... I swear.

mettelus
Um... With unlimited tracks I am confused as to why not fix, duplicate, experiment with tracks in the same folder?

Because trolling is a art. ;-)

When X3 first came out there were a lot of complaints about comping and what was lost with layers. However, over time most people understood that they lost about 20% of what layers could do in order to have comping that was 150% better. Take Lanes can still do most of what layers could do, as detailed in my Sound on Sound article, and you can always record your comps then drag them into standard tracks if you want the full array of track editing features, which is even more flexible than layers.