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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 11:10:53
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Anybody got the link, I would like to purchase the software.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 11:15:03
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trane43
Anybody got the link, I would like to purchase the software.
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If you're talking about JABB, CW sent email about it (the offer) but you could just go to the CW store online.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 11:24:52
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Billy - do you have GPO? how are the sounds different from that? if you know?
or anyone - does anyone have both?
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 11:31:55
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Beagle
Billy - do you have GPO? how are the sounds different from that? if you know?
or anyone - does anyone have both?
Beagle, yeah I have GPO but (don't laugh) I've never tried their brass from it yet. I've had a number of other options available to me for quite awhile which I've used, so I guess I never simply tried the GPO brass - other than French Horns and Tubas (which are nice). I have and do use the woodwinds from GPO when needed and they work fine, as do the strings of course. But I will doing some serious mixing later tonight and might just give those a listen since I do have 'em ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 14:37:37
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I'm sure there will be those who like these, but I'm feeling bad about spending the money on this package. Buyer beware. Thanks for the warning, Billy. I was thinking about checking this out. Maybe not, now. But EM seemed to really like it back in 2006: http://emusician.com/sftinstruments/emusic_garritan_jazz_big_band/ Maybe it's just that the sample quality has not stood the test of time against other, newer libraries...?
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 14:38:29
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I looked at Cakes email about JABB and thought great - just what I need but when I listened to the examples on Garritan site I changed my mind immediately.
Billy I liked what I heard of Captain Quirk but my connection went down half way through. Have you removed it?
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 14:57:12
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brundlefly
I'm sure there will be those who like these, but I'm feeling bad about spending the money on this package. Buyer beware.
Thanks for the warning, Billy. I was thinking about checking this out. Maybe not, now. But EM seemed to really like it back in 2006:
http://emusician.com/sftinstruments/emusic_garritan_jazz_big_band/
Maybe it's just that the sample quality has not stood the test of time against other, newer libraries...?
Heh, maybe back in 2006 it sounded better ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 14:58:23
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 15:00:41
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Thanks for the warning, Billy. BTW, I think I'm probably on a few companies *hit list now lol.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 15:33:27
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BTW, I think I'm probably on a few companies *hit list now lol.
Don't know about that - but I wouldn't expect a Christmas card from Gary this year - or Randy for that matter 
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 15:43:07
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do tell, Billy, what you discover! I'd be anxious to hear. who knows, maybe you'll redeem yourself and get that e-card after all!
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 15:51:16
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Beagle
do tell, Billy, what you discover! I'd be anxious to hear.
who knows, maybe you'll redeem yourself and get that e-card after all!
I'm confused Beags, do tell what? OH I think I know what you mean .... regarding the GPO brass! I forgot :) Will def let ya know what I discover Beagle!
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 15:58:36
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Beagle
Billy - do you have GPO? how are the sounds different from that? if you know?
or anyone - does anyone have both?
Beagle, yeah I have GPO but (don't laugh) I've never tried their brass from it yet. I've had a number of other options available to me for quite awhile which I've used, so I guess I never simply tried the GPO brass - other than French Horns and Tubas (which are nice).
I have and do use the woodwinds from GPO when needed and they work fine, as do the strings of course.
But I will doing some serious mixing later tonight and might just give those a listen since I do have 'em ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 16:00:08
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ba_midi
Beagle
Billy - do you have GPO? how are the sounds different from that? if you know?
or anyone - does anyone have both?
Beagle, yeah I have GPO but (don't laugh) I've never tried their brass from it yet. I've had a number of other options available to me for quite awhile which I've used, so I guess I never simply tried the GPO brass - other than French Horns and Tubas (which are nice).
I have and do use the woodwinds from GPO when needed and they work fine, as do the strings of course.
But I will doing some serious mixing later tonight and might just give those a listen since I do have 'em ;)
this^
Hehe, yeah - I think I just had a cubase moment (that's similar to a blond moment isn't it?) ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 16:25:41
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Beagle
Billy - do you have GPO? how are the sounds different from that? if you know?
or anyone - does anyone have both?
Beagle, yeah I have GPO but (don't laugh) I've never tried their brass from it yet. I've had a number of other options available to me for quite awhile which I've used, so I guess I never simply tried the GPO brass - other than French Horns and Tubas (which are nice).
I have and do use the woodwinds from GPO when needed and they work fine, as do the strings of course.
But I will doing some serious mixing later tonight and might just give those a listen since I do have 'em ;)
this^
Hehe, yeah - I think I just had a cubase moment (that's similar to a blond moment isn't it?) ;)
haha! that's a good one! I'll have to remember that!
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/22 18:08:12
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Hi Glyn,
The Indigenous samples sounded great! Unfortunately they didn't demo any of the Silvertone Nylon String guitar, but it appears they understand the way a guitar sounds and the mute layer really works. I wasn't as impressed with the Lyrical distortion demos, but I think it's because they sounded like a keyboard player trying to play guitar on his keyboard. Now I know that is exactly what was going on, and they would probably sound totally different with a guitar as the midi controller.
In the meantime my experiment with the Pandora PX4 was successful. The piezo squonks were tamed and a nice nylon tone emerged. I also took a listen to the nylon guitar in my Axon AX100mkII. It is stellar. Most of the other sounds in it are fairly awful, but I can make it work. I will keep Indigenous in mind though if things don't pan out. The early takes are sounding good though.
Thanks,
Paul
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/23 01:05:09
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Billy;
While I did thoroughly enjoyed your tune, IMHO your brass there doesn't sound better than JABB. Maybe it's just me.
What did you use on that piece, BTW?
I originally wanted to use a sax solo on "Yes You Are" but used the trumpet instead because it sounded a bit better than the sax would.
JB
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/23 01:21:14
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voclizr
Billy;
While I did thoroughly enjoyed your tune, IMHO your brass there doesn't sound better than JABB. Maybe it's just me.
What did you use on that piece, BTW?
I originally wanted to use a sax solo on "Yes You Are" but used the trumpet instead because it sounded a bit better than the sax would.
JB
Hi JB, Thanks for the compliment about the tune, I appreciate it. Funny thing is - I took that project and tried to get some of the JABB stuff to work in it - just to see how it'd fly. I guess you and I are going to have to disagree on this - but I couldn't even come close with JABB. Well, believe it or not, ALL those horn parts in that track are done with a Korg M1 (the plugin, not the hardware) using both a breath controller (ie, I literally blow into it if you know what a breath controller is) to get the dynamics, and the mod wheel for other performance tricks. And seriously - there wasn't one sound or set of sounds I checked out with JABB trying to get that same "umph", if you know what I mean. There's a certain power missing in the JABB samples, IMHO. And, just in case anyone was going to ask - the piano was actually Dimension Pro (my own tweaked patch of course). Captain Quirk was a really fun piece to do, btw.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 12:47:56
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Ba_MIDI, you would better spent the time learning JABB, not complaining about it. I also spent my last spare next month budget on it, and could not yet use it in a usefull way in my couple songs in prep, but I am learning it, liked Jazz Piano, and noticed layering suggestion from the manual. Manual itself was a kind of jazz school for me, although you can have it for free. What I liked was the ability to use SFZ samples in aRIA PLAYER, MEANING one can use it as a one instance player for 16 part instruments. For those having MC5 this could be a good reason not to upgrade for HS or Sonar a bit longer. I also read some earlier posts blaming Cakewalk for out of tune sounds in some cakewalk synthesizers, that I do not experience. So, something not working in ones hands could mean not a bad product, but a complainer is not so experienced yet in a product. To all having JABB: be happy, and learn JABB to be good for you and your song love message. I would not be dissatisfied with JABB, even if I do not succeed to make desired sound with it. It would mean for me I make a better sounding tone then Garritan, and that I have all tools to make such a tone. Good class to stop spending money but learn further what I have in my VSTplugins folder.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 13:01:40
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alexisrael
Ba_MIDI, you would better spent the time learning JABB, not complaining about it.
I also spent my last spare next month budget on it, and could not yet use it in a usefull way in my couple songs in prep, but I am learning it, liked Jazz Piano, and noticed layering suggestion from the manual. Manual itself was a kind of jazz school for me, although you can have it for free.
What I liked was the ability to use SFZ samples in aRIA PLAYER, MEANING one can use it as a one instance player for 16 part instruments. For those having MC5 this could be a good reason not to upgrade for HS or Sonar a bit longer.
I also read some earlier posts blaming Cakewalk for out of tune sounds in some cakewalk synthesizers, that I do not experience. So, something not working in your hands could mean not a bad product, but a complainer is not so experienced yet in a product.
Be happy, amd learn JABB to be good for you and your song love message
I thank you for your suggestion (I use ARIA often, btw), but JABB just does NOT sound great to ME. So I think I'd be better off using my time to learn something ELSE :) As for my earlier posts about out of tune synthesizer -- I suspect you mean Dimension Pro. I'm not the only one who has the problem. It is actually a well-known problem with that synth and certain sounds. You think I am a complainer? LOL. That's ok. We are each entitled to our own opinion. You seem to think expressing an opinion is complaining. I submit that you are complaining that I am expressing my opinion ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 13:15:41
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alexisraelI also read some earlier posts blaming Cakewalk for out of tune sounds in some cakewalk synthesizers, that I do not experience. So, something not working in your hands could mean not a bad product, but a complainer is not so experienced yet in a product. Or it could mean you are not so experienced as you think, and in no position to pass judgement: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2055135 Billy is the wrong guy to accuse of inexperience or unjustified "complaining".
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 13:19:55
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alexisrael
I also read some earlier posts blaming Cakewalk for out of tune sounds in some cakewalk synthesizers, that I do not experience. So, something not working in your hands could mean not a bad product, but a complainer is not so experienced yet in a product.
Or it could mean you are not so experienced as you think, and in no position to pass judgement:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2055135
Billy is the wrong guy to accuse of inexperience or unjustified "complaining".
Thanks for your support and input here, Dave.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 13:39:15
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brundlefly
alexisrael
I also read some earlier posts blaming Cakewalk for out of tune sounds in some cakewalk synthesizers, that I do not experience. So, something not working in your hands could mean not a bad product, but a complainer is not so experienced yet in a product.
Or it could mean you are not so experienced as you think, and in no position to pass judgement:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2055135
Billy is the wrong guy to accuse of inexperience or unjustified "complaining".
Thanks for your support and input here, Dave. Sure thing, Billy. Not that you didn't do a fine job of answering for yourself. And I don't mean to "pile on" Mr. Kudinov; I just thought it might help to deflect a mis-aimed response.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/26 13:41:21
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Sure thing, Billy. Not that you didn't do a fine job of answering for yourself. And I don't mean to "pile on" Mr. Kudinov; I just thought it might help to deflect a mis-aimed response. *Bow* thank you. I don't want to pile on him either. But I also don't like to let misinformation come at me either ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/29 02:31:15
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Billy is the wrong guy to accuse of inexperience or unjustified "complaining".
Does this mean that his is the only opinion that matters here then? I LIKE JABB. Does that make ME wrong? Or does it just mean I don't know what "good" is?
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2010/10/29 02:43:48
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voclizr
Billy is the wrong guy to accuse of inexperience or unjustified "complaining".
Does this mean that his is the only opinion that matters here then? I LIKE JABB. Does that make ME wrong? Or does it just mean I don't know what "good" is?
I'll answer for myself ... and that is - no my opinion is not the only one that counts. My opinion counts for me though. And it might for others. And I respect YOUR opinion too. Though we may have very different experience musically and technically, I never discount anyone's opinion. And - neither should you ;)
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/29 02:52:52
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I don't discount your opinion. You're definitely entitled to it, but it seems like we're building up a situation where we're "taking sides" here and egos might rear their ugly heads. There is no right or wrong here. You don't find JABB suitable for your sound. That's fine and we should all respect that. I DO find it suitable for MY sound. I just want to make sure nobody's calling me wrong or saying I'm crazy for my position either.
Thanks.
JB
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/29 03:01:48
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I bought the upgrade JABB with the new Aria player but I just have not had the same level of success with it that I was able to get with the old Kontakt version of JABB. I have an Akai breath controller (EWI) that is supposed to work with the Aria player but I can not get the modulation to work with it. I play sax so I thought that would be a great way of recording midi instead of with a keyboard as I am not a piano player but it sits on the shelf with a few of my other useless toys. The one thing I use the Jabb for is some of its Trumpet falls and stabs which are pretty good.
For saxes I like the Yellow tools Candy the best but for some of the older style sax sounds the Sample modeling version provides a more authentic sound when I am too lazy to record the sax by audio.
Also Yellow tools has a free player with a couple of acoustic guitars that sound reasonably good as well as some other instruments that can be quite usable, especially if you don't have a large library collection.
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Re:JABB deal for Sonar
2010/10/29 03:04:34
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voclizr
I don't discount your opinion. You're definitely entitled to it, but it seems like we're building up a situation where we're "taking sides" here and egos might rear their ugly heads. There is no right or wrong here. You don't find JABB suitable for your sound. That's fine and we should all respect that. I DO find it suitable for MY sound. I just want to make sure nobody's calling me wrong or saying I'm crazy for my position either.
Thanks.
JB
JB, In all franknes - you should go back and re-read this entire thread. I make it clear that I'm expressing MY opinion and that I am sure others would have different ones. BUT you made a comment that I was complaining - and even mentioned the out of tune synth (Dimension Pro) as if all I was doing was complaining. IN FACT - Cakewalk have admitted and made others aware that there IS a problem with tuning in Dimension/Pro. So you were very mistaken about my "complaining." I was alerting others who may not have known, and also agreeing with those who did. You also made assumptions about my knowledge of dealing with programs such as JABB. You were mistaken, I assure you. So you accused me of things, yet I didn't do so to you. But if you are going to turn this into some weird thread now, I can only say I won't participate. What I think is more important is to agree to disagree. You can have your opinion of JABB and express it without making my opinion of less value. I did not make your opinion of less value. So let's just be civil and leave it at that. I think it's a fair thing to do at this point. I hope you'll agree. I don't think anyone here is looking for a food fight. We're all here to share ideas and experiences. That's a good thing. I hope we can keep it at that level. Thanks.
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