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Kontakt Bug! ---> SONAR 8.5.1 x64 Sonar 8.3.1 x64/x32 Kontakt 3.5 x64, x32 Kontakt 4 x64
I have re-installed Kontakt 3.5 x64bit! Didn't help! Frank, Kontakt development Berlin, said: "unwind automation IDs" need to be checked , was already check too, didn't help! Noel, Cakewalk say, all SONAR loads is the values, nothing more? http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95179 http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95712 *Edit!
Work with Cubase x64bit happens only with SONAR in 48kHZ and up! Working fine in 44.1 kHz! Confirmed bug of Native Instruments! http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1882963 ******************************************************* * sorry any spelling errors.... hope you understand anyway... Look, this is the BUG-problem! 1. I open SONAR 8.5.1 x 64bit & Kontakt 3.5 x64bit and make project. 2. Load a Instrument, work fine. AHDSR-settings on the "Intrument" is example Short "Release"-time let say =30ms 3. Great all works! 4. Save SONAR project and close it! 5. Open the same project again! 6. Play on the Intrument. Great I hear 30ms "Release"-time on the "instrument" 7. Open KONTAKT *edit to ----> edit the "Intrument" 8. as soon as I touch any setting or any button on that "instrument" on any parameter, it can be example filter setting = "Cutoff" or value =SATURATION FX ----------------> ALL settings on AHDSR section get MAX values on Release. The "graphic values" presentation are still 30ms but you hear something else, like +250000ms 9. to Fix it? Manual Re-load the patch and it's back to normal again? 10. The same with Kontakt 3 Library, All Pre Button are sometimes linked on the first page? All LOADED instruments in whole KONTAKT get messed up? Sometimes already after you load a intrument, or sometimes after you have re-load a SONAR project? MY QUESTION is? Is a KONTAKT BUG or is it a SONAR BUG? As Noel say at Cakewalk, all SONAR loads is the values, nothing more? So it seems to be KONTAKT bug or both, I don't know? I just hope you fix it? If it takes me to update to 4.. so be it, but same problem accure on KONTAKT 4 version as well? PLEASE HELP anyone else?! Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 23, 09 8:29 AM
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Have investigate now even further...
Same happens in all Version of SONAR: SONAR 8.5.1 x64bit, SONAR 8.3.1 x64bit and SONAR 8.3.1 x32.
Have tried disabel all kinds of settings in both SONAR and KONTAKT no luck..
same bug always after OPEN SONAR Project. Also the sounding is slightly different after LOADING SONAR project, even though it sounds the same if I don't touch anything... compair if I load the "Instrument" manual again? slightly subtle wider sounding? =)
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 23, 09 8:42 AM
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SONAR and KONTAKT (Part 1) BUG report! CWBRN-1952 *********************************** SONAR and KONTAKT (Part 2) CWBRN-1953
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 23, 09 10:16 AM
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I suggest you contact NI tech support with this one. SONAR doesn't explicitly do anything special at the parameter level while saving and loading plugins. If NI requires any clarifications after investigating it they can contact me.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 23, 09 11:58 AM
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Thank you Noel for that clarification. =)
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 10:25 AM
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 12:27 AM
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FreddieH, have you installed the 4.02 update for Kontakt?
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 12:41 AM
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I just got kontakt 4 and it’s pretty much unusable for me. Every time open a project and insert kontakt 4 and play around with it for like 1 min all of a sudden the screen goes white and it freezes on me. Im on sonar 8.3.1 32 bit
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 12:50 AM
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FreddieH, have you installed the 4.02 update for Kontakt?
No Still on 3.5 but I will buy this Komplete deal soon. Does 4.02 work for you? Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 12:57 AM
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 1:06 PM
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Freddie
I just got kontakt 4 and it’s pretty much unusable for me. Every time open a project and insert kontakt 4 and play around with it for like 1 min all of a sudden the screen goes white and it freezes on me. Im on sonar 8.3.1 32 bit
Noel, Cakewalk- believes its old bug that can be included in older versions of Kontakt too. It seem to be present in Kontakt 4 too. Others have report the same kind of problem? I have report it to NI so they can do a further investigation. I think they want to get rid of this bug too as much as I and everyone else do. Many have different problems Loading Instruments, so it seem to be something with that. I think its the same bug everyone has, but it shows it self different on different systems. Let see what happen! My work around is this now in the studio: After I load the song, I need to manual “LOAD” all instruments in Kontakt that are in use in the project. SONAR loads all instruments, but Kontakt doesn't play the programing of the “Instrument's”,100% correctly? I have the same problem on SONAR 8.3.1 x32bit, SONAR 8.3.1 x64bit, SONAR 8.5.1 x64bit, *“Instrument's” = “Patches” for those that isn't familiar with Kontakt terminology Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 1:12 PM
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Will be trying it soon.
Great, James! =) Looking forward to hear what you think? Otherwise KONTAKT 3.5 x64bit rock solid, No crashes! Had majors with Kontakt 2 x32! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
October 26, 09 3:24 PM
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E-mail:
I could not reproduce it in Kontakt 4 and I need
more information. Please describe the issue as detailed as possible and send
us a Sonar Project to make further investigations.
Best regards
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:12 PM
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Its a SONAR BUG! End of story! PLEASE!! addressed ASAP! I can reproduce this bug with Kontakt 3,5 64bit / 32bit and Kontakt 4 Player 64bit in SONAR.  It happens ONLY with SONAR it work perfectly fine in Cubase 4, 64bit version! I can't work with Kontakt with SONAR.   I need to always LOAD all patches ”Instruments” manual after I load a project. First time loading the patch it work fine but not after you have “Load” a SONAR project! I need just to press one time with --->“mouse”-click --->on Release or Decay section in AHDSR and the sound get messed up. I hear the Release get to maximum values ---> “endless sustained notes, always on every sound I click on the mouse on... The values that Sonar have load is not correct values for the Instruments inside KONTAKT. The displayed values in Kontakt are often correctly, (It has happen sometimes not too) but not if you play on the patch/ Instruments. Also if I then “edit” on a instrument and save the project and re-open the same SONAR project again, the values are much shorter then it was when I edit them??????? = Not correct! It doesn't LOAD any of the values of the volume controls, filter or anything inside KONTAKT correctly, after I load a SONAR project!! PLEASE HELP!!!! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:21 PM
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:39 PM
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Hi Freddie,
I don't know if this is any consolation or not but I've seen a similar issue with the Korg Legacy Cell VST not loading the parameters properly when saving and re-opening a Sonar project. I would try using Kore Player to load Kontakt and see if the parameters are saved when re-opening a project. This will be a much better workaround for you. Kore Player is free from Native Instruments and it also imports the presets of third party plugins like Korg.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:53 PM
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 Hey even more strange things?????....  Happens only in 48kHZ and up 96kHZ 32bit.. I just tried the same thing with Kontakt in 44.1 kHz... Work perfectly and the bug has disappeared in 44.1 kHz 32bit projects? What do y'all recon about that? SONAR or Kontakt? Please anyone at Cakewalk! Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:56 PM
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Hi Freddie,
I don't know if this is any consolation or not but I've seen a similar issue with the Korg Legacy Cell VST not loading the parameters properly when saving and re-opening a Sonar project. I would try using Kore Player to load Kontakt and see if the parameters are saved when re-opening a project. This will be a much better workaround for you. Kore Player is free from Native Instruments and it also imports the presets of third party plugins like Korg.
Good Luck
Thanks for the tips! Koreplay is unfortunately only in 32 bit. Does it load own build instrumets? Have a nice weekend! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 3:59 PM
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 5:36 PM
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Happens only in 48kHZ and up 96kHZ 32bit...64bit! It really matters! Kontakt works fine here. So does Superior Drummer and so does Melodyne. I don't mention this in order to gloat. It's only for the benefit of those who may be considering drinking the 64-bit koolaid because they're feeling un-trendy with their unfashionable 32-bit XP machines. You folks might want to hold off one more year.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 6:00 PM
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Thanks for the help!
You have been very helpful with those comments...
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 6:06 PM
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Seem to be something with oversampling in SONAR? It would much easier if we they all just drop 44.1 kHZ support in all plugins and Programs.
The minority that use it can convert to ---> 48 Khz instead! LOL Then I did't have had this problem with Kontakt in the first place, Bitflipper. 48 kHz it really matters! Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 7:02 PM
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You have been very helpful with those comments... I can only hope so.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 7:11 PM
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Freddie H >> It would much easier if we they all just drop 44.1 kHZ support in all plugins and Programs.
The minority that use it can convert to ---> 48 Khz instead!
You got some balls Freddie saying this ! I admire your posts normally, but not this ... even though it's got a smiley on it. Hope you get sorted.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 8:41 PM
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Freddie H >> It would much easier if we they all just drop 44.1 kHZ support in all plugins and Programs.
The minority that use it can convert to ---> 48 Khz instead!
You got some balls Freddie saying this ! I admire your posts normally, but not this ... even though it's got a smiley on it.
Hope you get sorted.
I'm sorry, it was not meant like that! It was more as a joke after bitflippers comment! Thanks! Have a nice weekend, my friend... Best Regards Freddie
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 9:11 PM
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Subtle humor is often wasted here, Freddie. Just the idea that you have to tack on a smiley to indicate humorous intent, sort of like dubbing a laugh track on a TV sitcom. Maybe you could try one of these: it's a 64-bit smiley!
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 10:58 PM
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 13, 09 11:55 PM
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I'm running SONAR 8.5.1 x64 in VISTA Ultimate x64 SP2 with KONTAKT 4.02.
I can't dupliccate your problem.
Instruments reload fine and it doesn't matter whether its 44., 48 or 96khz.
Could it be a Win 7 problem??
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 14, 09 4:46 AM
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48 kHz it really matters!
Hahahaha!! That was great Freddie. Great humour.
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Re:SONAR 8.5.1 x64 and Kontakt 3.5 x64, Kontakt 4 x64 BUG!!!!
November 14, 09 4:52 AM
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32bit! It really matters!
44.1KHz! It really matters!
LOL! Sometimes the simplest things can be the funniest. I hadn't caught that before I read Freddie's comment. That's just plain funny. Good to see humour is alive and well, and living in the cakewalk forums. 
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