jamesg1213

craigb

sharke
The talk of gun control after a massacre like the one in Vegas is something that's largely driven by the media to divert attention from the elephant in the room - which is that the media's sensationalist coverage of these psychopaths is what drives them to kill in the first place. 

 
The Joe Walsh song Dirty Laundry comes to mind...

Don Henley, no?

 
I think it was Henley although he ripped off the Bangles' song, "Dirty Panties."

(Oops!  Sorry...  That was only supposed to be said in my mind!)

The bottom line is if someone wants to commit mass murder or any kind of terror they will find a way and there are many types of items one could use to do it. I don't believe in disarming people because of the few sick bastards out there. There will always be crazy people and we should be able to protect ourselves. I think some people who are in some kind of a bad way in their life see these kind of terror acts as a way to be famous(in their mind) and want to be recorded as part of history events. I think anyone who wants to purchase a weapon should not only have a complete background check but it should be mandatory that they take a safety course as well.   I don't think weapons should be sold at flea markets either.
 

The thing I'm finding hard to believe about this whole story is how long it apparently took the cops to find his room. It took them...how long? We're expected to believe that they had no idea which floor he was on, and had to work their way down from the top. They're now saying they only found him after the smoke from his guns set off a fire alarm. 
 
Really? 
 
First of all, he shot out two huge floor to ceiling windows on a high floor. Even in the dark (which isn't really that dark in Vegas), it would have been a simple matter to identify the building the shots were coming from, scan the facade of identical glass panels, see the broken ones, observe the flashes of gunfire coming from them and work out from there which floor he was on and also where on that floor he was located. 
 
Not only that, but I'm presuming there were many other guests staying on the same floor as him. The noise from those guns would have been deafening. Do they really expect us to believe that nobody heard the din from constant automatic gunfire on their floor and reported it? Either the Vegas police are uncommonly stupid, or there's something which doesn't pass the smell test about this whole account. 

jamesg1213
A little inappropriate in this thread, don't you think Craig?

Yep.  Sorry, forgot what thread I was in... 

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re-ban assault weapons.  have background checks.  done!

A quick Google search can reveal information to back up any assertion you want it to.

This is going well.

Beepster
This is going well.

Really?

I'll keep my opinion on firearms to my self.
 
But you can have my becan when you pry it from........
 
 
 
......Beagle's mouth.
 

Oh, Ed. You silly goose. They don't sell becan at the LC.
 
However, that is an EXCELLENT idear.

From a military perspective, wounding an enemy rather than killing him outright presents a tactical advantage. Besides, what's to keep a member of the military from committing mass murder? Nothing. Remember Nadal Hassan?

Notwithstanding that my hunting rifle was originally designed for the military. So was my single-shot black powder muzzle-loader. There's those pesky facts again.

What puzzles me is why so many people want to put such an inordinate focus on inanimate objects instead of dealing with the bad actors who misuse them. Again, facts show ( I can't remember the numbers) that there are more firearms here in the US in private hands than there are people and only a tiny fraction of them are ever used in any crime at all.

To make this thread music related, I'll quote Ted Nugent, who once remarked"if guns kill people, then all mine are defective."

Anything can be used as a murder weapon. Hell, the #1 murder weapon in the world is the human hand. Evil people are going to do evil things and no amount of legislation that only serves to punish the law-abiding is going to change that.

Recent events in the UK have them talking about acid control. They already have knife control. Where does it end? Do we end up tightly regulating, or even banning altogether, everything? Is that even possible?

Despite some people"s Utopian fantasies to the contrare, we can"t legislate and regulate evil, danger and risk out of existence.

I'm done and this thing will be locked down soon anyway...

Great idea. A horrible person did a horrible thing. And he did it at a concert, which makes it music related. Kind of.


Whetter or not anyone likes or dislikes guns isn't going to bring anyone back. I didn't mean to get sucked into a gun control debate; I meant to express my amazement at observing how some people want to blame inanimate objects for criminal acts instead of blaming the criminals.