eph221
Often, when getting in arguments over guns, the gun owners have a completely different lexicon that they use.  The words  mean something different to them, and we talk past eachother.  The gun (to gun owners) represents mastery (hegelian)  the ability to take another life that the slave will  never do.  Masters will also often argue (from hegel's point of view) that there's theology that supports their position.  It's a false theology though.  Only the slave retains spirit.  The master vacates his spirit when he kills.  It's a faustian type of proposition, but the master must live with his or her life choices.
 
OTOH who wants to be a slave?!

That's a pretty twisted view of how most gun owners feel about their guns. It's true that they represent mastery, but it has nothing to do with the desire or power to kill anyone - it's about being in control of your own life without having to put it in the hands of the authorities. That's called self defense. Many people live in areas in which police response times are nowhere near fast enough in the event of an emergency. Maybe you live out in the sticks and it would take police half an hour to get there if you reported an intruder. Even here in New York, you're sometimes looking at a 5-10 minute response time from the NYPD depending on how busy they are elsewhere. These are crucial minutes in which having the ability to defend yourself against someone who might be armed or able to overpower you can mean the difference between life or death. 
 
I've put that argument to people in the past and they have responded with "well if you live in fear of someone breaking into your home and killing you then you're just being paranoid. It's very unlikely to happen." So is a house fire. The chance of your home catching fire is statistically minute, but that doesn't stop people from fitting smoke alarms "just in case." 
 
I have no idea why the word "slave" came into your argument, it seems a little pretentious and unnecessary. 

eph221
And the 2nd amendment barking is based in paranoia, not reasonabley premiced.  These are just facts we talk past each other (the pros and cons)  the barking needs to stop before we get anywhere..

An interesting idea for you might actually be to, "get a fact."   Provide actual facts or evidence to back up your words.  You have no facts.  You have no evidence.  You have no logical arguments.   Essentially, "you are a Huffington Post."
 
 

eph221
How about this fact dorothy:  59 people are dead.  I'm thoroughly read in structuralism and Hegel.  You're just setting up troll points to avoid the truth.  Both of you are talking past me.  You have no creative solutions.

Nearly that many people are murdered every weekend in Chicago. Where is the National outcry over that?

Almost twice that many people die EVERY DAY in automobiles in the US. Maybe we should require people to register their cars and get licenses for them. Oh, wait....

Yeah, it really sucks that almost 60 people were killed, and hundreds wounded. But the facts (there's that word again) is that tragic as these mass murder events are, they are a statistical anomaly. Not to be callous, but when you make public policy based on emotional knee-jerk reactions to extremely rare and unlikely evemts, you make bad public policy.

Hegel? Really? That's supposed to be impressive? Talk about someone who used a lot of words to say nothing. I for one am not impressed by whoever you misread and misunderstood.

Some people just don't get it ...There are a lot of sick twisted people in the world ...It has always been that way all through out history .
A few days ago it was automatic rifles ...2000.00 years ago it was sticks and clubs , then knives and swords ...
These weapons just don't jump out of bed  and decide to go on a killing spree . It's the persons who wield the weapon that make that decision . No amount of regulation is gonna change that . Criminals laugh at law abiding citizens because they do not play by the same rules ..If anything the rules and the laws that law abiding citizens have to follow  give criminals an edge and a sense of comfort  ...
Because of this , the criminal will always use the element of surprise ... Remember they do not follow the rules 
 
As far as someones 2 cents on guns STFU if you don't have anything intelligent to say .
If you happen to have something intelligent to say back your $hit up 
 
Here's what I got to say . I am alive today because I was involved in a domestic situation when I was young where a person was trying to kill myself , my mother and my 2 brothers ...
My Mother god bless her soul had one in the chamber , reluctantly she shot and killed the perpetrator ...
I was there and I can tell you there is a big difference between what really happened and what the media said happened . 
Having survived that lethal confrontation I can assure you that I am not somebody you can just walk up to and try to rob while I'm standing in line someplace looking like a bewildered sheep  
Oh BTW , the perpetrator was my father ...so there you have it folks ...some of the sickest people in the world may even turn out to be a relative or next of kin ...
 
As far as what happened in Vegas , Yes I do feel sad for all the people that were involved ...it is tragic
All sorts of nice people are suffering because of a deranged persons disregard for the value of human life and the actions he took.
To inflict his will and sickness on all these innocent people....the carnage and suffering was very high ...
The thing is where I live everybody is on edge ...
I was out w Duke a while back near a playground and an off duty Sheriff was playing with his grand kids ...
He didn't know that I knew he was a Sheriff ...
In our conversation he start pumping me up for info ..I don't blame him , he was standing next to a 6 foot 200 pound plus long haired biker looking dude walking a dog that would be considered a Schwarzenegger sized Pit Bull  ...
Duke has + 40 pounds on a typical Pit
 
After a while I lean into him and tell him I'm out here everyday like clock work , I keep an eye on all the children and their moms ...I see all kinds of stuff while I'm out here ...Then I tell him all you need to know is I am law abiding , I'm college educated and I have been trained in other areas ...
Then I lowered my self down and put my face and nose less that 6 inches from his face looked him in dead in the eye and told him I know who you are and I know what you do ...Trust me , if and when the $hit hits the fan out here and if your out here when it happens you are gonna be very happy that I'm on your side ...
He stepped back and looked at me and he saw that I wasn't effing playing around ....
For the record you will not find me anyplace walking around in a situation like an unarmed sheep in a daze hoping that there is somebody out there that's gonna save my a$$ when the $hit hits the fan ...
 
that's all I got to say on that
 
Kenny