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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/02 11:31:11 (permalink)
I am staying with Sonar for whatever projects I have started with it. I mixed the same song on 3 different DAWs last weekend and when I listened back later, I just think the Sonar mix was better. That might have been because I know Sonar better and the project was started in Sonar.
 
Sonar is really fantastic and is probably the most feature rich DAW Ive ever used. I use Sonar more as a tape machine and mixer. I always have. It does more than I ever needed and I barely scratched the surface of all it can do.
 
That said, the fact that I love it so much has kept me from using other products (I haven't run any other DAW since 1998) that might offer something needed and good.
 
I enjoy the other DAWs I've tried and they all have strengths and weaknesses. Of course, I really wish someone....anyone would rescue Sonar.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/02 12:41:32 (permalink)
When many still use older versions of Sonar , like me till Black Friday weekend and I buy Sonar Pro. LOL I been running X3 on win 10 no probs and Pro seems good so far.
If I get a few years out it before something too good not to have comes along I will.
Meanwhile have Reaper, very powerful DAW that can outdo Sonar in many ways but it takes alot of learning the shortcuts. Sonar is intuitive and comes ready bungled with some great instruments.. Absolutely an underestimated DAW.
If you really have to learn another DAW Reaper over PTs and save a bungle. Reaper is very much respected among PT users. Both PTs and Cubase have only just caught up to Sonar and Reaper.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/02 17:05:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/12/02 17:12:14
Thanks to all you positive folks who have made about the same decision as me. 
 
Generally everyone is saying this:
 
Sonar is the best DAW for me at this point
I tried a few other DAWs and returned to Sonar still preferring it to the rest
Why should I spend more money when there is no need to. 
I have another DAW but will put it aside and continue to use Sonar as my main software.
Sonar is not broken and will not be broken by W10, that is a popular myth spread by the uninformed. 
The currant version of Sonar is about as stable as it's ever been.
We got our moneys worth this year even if it didn't last a lifetime, no regrets about that. 
I am still optimistic that Sonar will be re born someday
 
A few tidbits I've gathered over the last few days:
 
Cakewalk ( Willy) has said the servers won't be shutting down in the foreseeable future and hopefully not for a long time.
They are working on a possible key to unlock activation's for future installations. 
 
People are finding the My Products web site slow because I guess everyone took my advice and is downloading everything you own as a back up. I did this a few days ago and had no problem. 
 
I also successfully installed the latest Splat to a fresh laptop at work that's never seen Cakewalk before using the downloaded file and I did not install or run Command Center. I used the offline activation found in the help menu. It was super easy and took about 2 minutes. This will be this future magic key they are promising. It will be the response key. At this point you can only use that key once and I think it times out too.  
 
The other good news for all those who are feared Windows 10 will break Sonar. 
Think about this, People are checking in who still run Sonar 6. What do you think is so different about Splat that it won't keep going? If you really think it's W10 then don't use W10. 
True, W10 is a new beast, myself I've had enough abuse and will be installing W8.1 back to my main DAW.. W10 didn't cause problems for me with Sonar itself, but all the other stuff I'm tired of dealing with after it updates. 
 
So the good news is this, Widows 8.1 9 and W7 will not do that, it will update, but those updates are basically harmless being just security stuff and not a major face-lift. And it won't automatically update to W10 while you sleep anymore too. So if you are worried about W10 stopping your workflow, don't use it. You don't need it to run Sonar and 99% of the software and audio interfaces etc. Nobody uses W10 in the big systems like were I work at a hospital. 
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/02 21:44:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2017/12/03 02:10:18
I just spent a few hours back with Studio One which I bought a few years ago and kept up to date.
 
I thought I'd force myself to do a project and that would refresh my memory of things.  Well, it did to a large degree.  But I got stuck when trying to pull a MIDI clip along the time line in track view: grab and drag in Sonar, simple! After a few frustrating minutes and failing to find anything on YouTube, I accidentally found that my cursor needed to be in the middle (vertically) of the clip... ?!!  Anyway, I persevered and then just for the sake of it, went into Sonar to build the same project. And my goodness....I know it's been my home for a long time, but you know what?  It looks, feels and works FAR better than S1.  So I'm staying with Sonar until the bitter end, which I reckon will be a long while yet.
 
I'll try the demo of Cubase Pro 9.5 if and when it comes out just in case I'm missing something.
EDIT: It's available. I've put in the request for the demo and the link came through straight away - I'm already a Steinberg customer as I've Halion Sonic for years, plus the necessary dongle.  I'll install it tomorrow and report back in due course!

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/03 02:14:57 (permalink)
I downloaded Cubase 8 demo. It was hugely disappointing. I own Cubase 5 LE that came with my Tascam us1641. I saw very little difference overall, Well ya, there was a lot of extra stuff, but the interface and feel was still the same. And the download was buggy and a few VST didn't make it. And where's the SMART TOOL? 
Big waste of 9 GB of my bandwidth. I'm glad I took the trouble again to try it because now I don't feel I'm missing out on something.
 
It automatically arms all your tracks to record until you find the setting to change it.
If any one knows how to get rid of the default GM synth from loading when you insert a midi track, let me know. And then I spent 20 minutes just trying to figure out how to delete the GM synth and it's instrument track,, All I wanted was 3 midi tracks so I could try and record bass and drums.. I gave up. Sure, I could read the manual..:) 
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/03 02:27:37 (permalink)
I'm not going anywhere, and despite some of the great offers bobbing up from different companies, I have no reason to jump ship when the DAW I know runs perfectly. Right now, I couldn't be bothered trying to learn the ins and outs of another platform as a 'just in case' measure.    

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 17:02:25 (permalink)
Not having read through the entire thread (ain't nobody got time for that :p ), my two cents is that I'm sticking with SONAR for as long as it works; or, until I can afford another DAW - whichever comes first.  The main reason I chose SONAR in the first place was the flexible and affordable pricing options, and the learning curve much shorter.  But I've gotten to know the product well, and love it, so I'm not in a hurry to ditch it.  However, in anticipation of a time when it's no longer viable, I'll be making plans (saving $$) for something else.  ...and hope it's good enough.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 18:09:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2017/12/04 19:34:37
I have been using it for many years and I see no reason to change now. If they come through on their promise with permanent authenticaion I have zero worries keeping Sonar as a DAW for many years to come. I always keep my DAW offline so MS butchering it is not a major risk. 
 
I got to say that I have been more than happy with the features and quality of Sonar for years. So much so that I don't REALLY see the point of needing to add anything more. Why? Well, I do have all the tools I could ever need already.  Always chasing the next plug in/feature is just a distraction from the actual purpose of a DAW to begin with, everyone is so focused on the technology that they forget about creating music. It is a bit like Audiophiles that are so focused on their gear, that they almost forget that all that is just so that can listen to music, but the music takes the backseat. I think for many that is the case with their DAW's too. 
 
If you are not able to write and create with what is at your disposal today with Sonar, that is not because you are lacking a filter, VST plugin or more CPU power etc, that is on you.  People have written great music with acustic guitars for ever, many with nothing more than their ears and minds. We have no excuse, maybe this is a blessing, to get off of our techfocused asses and start creating  instead of waiting for the next thingymabob:) 
 
Nothing is more valuable to me than time, and the time spent learning Sonar is MUCH more valuable than the dollars spent. Dollars we can make back, time spent is gone. So I much rather make use of that time by keeping Sonar for as long as I possibly can. When / if that time comes where I can't, I will deal with it but for now I see no reason to go anywhere. 
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 18:19:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2017/12/04 19:35:09
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I'm not a professional.....just a hobbyist, so I'm in no rush to use something else.  I've been essentially using nothing but Cakewalk/Sonar since the late 80s.  I'm probably only using about 10% of the capabilities of this program as is.
 
As long as I'll be able to continue to install and use the program if I have to replace any hardware, or want to build a new machine...I'll use it.   (At least until it either gets broken by something, or just gets really out of date)
 
The thing is, I've actually gotten to a point recently, where I'm satisfied with both Sonar and the third party items I have.....for the last year, for the first time, I haven't felt the need or desire for any shiny new plugins....because I feel that what I have does everything I need....
 
Of course...if a really great deal on something comes along.....well.... ;-)


This is exactly my situation (except for the part since the 80's ). I'm extremely comfortable and happy using Sonar (until one of us dies first).
 
If Windows or something else kills it, I'll find another DAW at that time.......after all, it's the music that must go on roooooight?
 
 
 

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 18:20:38 (permalink)
I'm planning to stick with Sonar. Been using Cakewalk / Sonar since the early nineties. Have just delivered one major project few months ago. Pretty much like Platinum as it is now. Don't need replacement now or the next couple of years.
 
Expect Sonar will stay compatible with windows for at least 3 years, maybe 5 to 10.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 18:51:23 (permalink)
I was in something of a creative rut with Sonar, so took the opportunity provided by Gibson to cast around a bit.  I took a punt on S1 with the ridiculous pricing:
 
Session 1:  about an hour.  Tried to replicate everything I did in Sonar and got a bit stuck.  Transport, navigation, the use of instrument tracks for midi and the lack of the pro-channel left me underwhelmed.
 
Session 2: Watched a couple of YT tutorials.  Now we were getting somewhere - discovered that Transport/navigation is actually very well thought out.  PC isn't there, but you can configure the mix view efficiently, and the bundled presonus eq/comp/fat channel display in a way that is similar.
 
Session 3:  Watched more YT.  And I'm liking S1 a lot.  Workflow is clearly at the core here, and for how I use it, already proving more effective than Splat.  Even the simple act of sending an audio section direct to the sampler and having that load as a new track instantly makes a huge difference. Comping/layers are nicely implemented, and you need to learn some new keystrokes (such as moving midi parts) - but come to Sonar from elsewhere and you'll have the same problem.
 
I like the layout and the flexibility, and the workflow is productive.  I've had a couple of weird audio issues (sticking midi notes, audio interface oddness), and annoyed I can't manage plugins to maintain my own groups.  But I'm writing happily in S1, so will most likely use it as my default DAW for new projects.  Not removing Splat just yet mind, but it's eventual demise is certainly not going to worry me too much.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 18:58:43 (permalink)
Well, I was working in Ableton LE for years, with just 4 vst plugins allowed.
I did try LMMS for free and it's ok to write something, but year ago it was in need of some polishing, just few months ago I've discovered tracktion and I was happy, because it was not so stable as ableton, but I was able to work with many plugins at once. I had sonar LE from 2004 and in w10 it still working! (well just not supporting64 and freezing sound sometimes)
month ago my friend gifted me sonar pro, so now I just don't understand why are you so freaking about they've closed developing? 
even thought it's not fair, coz I'd better had those new updates next year.
it's working, well maybe i'd fix few vst32 bugs, but sonar got everything you need to work with music.
there's no something new to add in DAW that you can't do with vst or rewire.
Just think different - you got best 30 years cakewalk product and now it's rare, no one else can't get it (xpt h4ck3z, that will risk with stability or evaluating some trojan), why would you spend more for something that is already working?
All those "windows update issues" is just fantasy of people who don't know about system updates, w10 backups only windows directory dll's, so it concerns for drivers only such as ASIO, that you just need to reinstall, and SOnar is not installing in winDir anything. And in any case you'll be able to get any dll from backup.
 We are owners of exclusive product, we did help developers as much as we can, but not enough, maybe. 
now just work with it and do better!
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 20:12:18 (permalink)
I'll stick with Cakewalk until the day I die. I've built my studio based on Cakewalk products (either software or hardware). Everything worked just perfect. I hope everything will still work for another 50 years.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 20:34:13 (permalink)
I'm a small time User I'm sure. Church music, I play guitar for a few songs each service recording, and recording on the side. But it's spanned almost 15 yrs so quite a few recordings. Not all have been exported to a final mix. Due to the fact that Sunday's add up whether I'm ready our not!

If Sonar Splat took a final death crash (I doubt it will, but.....) I'd have a lot of audio that would be inaccessible unless I copy over plain audio in project folders.
I have a Windows 7 Premium desktop and Windows 10 laptop SPLAT, that's my "warm fuzzy" if you will....But I may be getting a new laptop soon so there's a reinstall problem there. Unless I keep the current laptop as well. That will hurt to do.

I believe Sonar is the better choice for me and would prefer it to keep on going......but....being in IT I've seen first hand what happens when a product is discontinued..without factory support, etc. It typically doesn't end well for Users.
*I may be wrong here and hope so. That said I'm doing the prudent thing and looking for a replacement. Feeling kind of forced to.
I hope the forum doesn't change! But these are things I have no control over so have to plan ahead.

I didn't mean to write such a long post!
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 20:44:53 (permalink)
All your audio would never be lost. It's in the audio folder and can be played with any DAW or Wave editor. A wav file is a standard file. 
But Sonar will work for a long time yet and even if Splat dies because of some unforseen issue, all the old versions will still run for a long time yet as well. 
Hopefuly you have backed up your project and audio folders an external drive. 
 
The only thing you loose when you switch DAW's is your set up with what ever plug ins you used on tracks. There is a few VST's like the TTS_1 that also cannot be used outside of sonar. Everything else is either midi or audio and easily backed up and portable. I save all my important projects as MID files. 

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 20:52:43 (permalink)
Yeah I will stick with Sonar till it quits working as well. I used Cakewalk before there was even windows {it was a DOS version} it was just a midi sequencer so I have seen alot changes since that Twelvetone version and still hold out for it's return in whatever form.
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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 20:58:14 (permalink)
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All your audio would never be lost. It's in the audio folder and can be played with any DAW or Wave editor. A wav file is a standard file...The only thing you loose when you switch DAW's is your set up with what ever plug ins you used on tracks....




But..how does this work in practice?  I'm imagining going into my new DAW, say S1, and then importing .wav files - the tracks - one after the other.  Which ones do I import?  There's a lot of audio files related to a given project, but the DAW is only playing certain ones.  And how do I know the position of all the wave files along the time line?  Even if I record a 4 minute song in one take (mostly never), I still trim the silence...  
 
I'm genuinely curious how to approach this because it all sounds like a bunch of work that leads to a headache, and I'm not sure how many hours I could actually spend doing this.  I would love to believe that it's actually really simple, just do x, y and z.  

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 21:05:09 (permalink)
Yep, I've got all my wave files. It's those that are inside projects but I haven't finalized a mix for them are ones that I (believe) I need to mix them down to their present state. To get the wave files parked in their current mix at least. And I do have multiple drives with the original recordings backed up. Three xx terabyte drives. I've forgotten the sizes.

Biggest thing, but not terrible circumstances....I've got some recordings that I've gotten used to be able to listen to within Sonar anytime I want and tweak as desired for different versions at will. I know that's being unable to commit to a final final 😊 but who thought Cake was going to quit on me. (Gibson boogers!!!)
*I've got more of these than I thought 😂. Oh well. Life goes on.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 21:11:04 (permalink)
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All your audio would never be lost. It's in the audio folder and can be played with any DAW or Wave editor. A wav file is a standard file...The only thing you loose when you switch DAW's is your set up with what ever plug ins you used on tracks....




But..how does this work in practice?  I'm imagining going into my new DAW, say S1, and then importing .wav files - the tracks - one after the other.  Which ones do I import?  There's a lot of audio files related to a given project, but the DAW is only playing certain ones.  And how do I know the position of all the wave files along the time line?  Even if I record a 4 minute song in one take (mostly never), I still trim the silence...  
 
I'm genuinely curious how to approach this because it all sounds like a bunch of work that leads to a headache, and I'm not sure how many hours I could actually spend doing this.  I would love to believe that it's actually really simple, just do x, y and z.  


Unless others advise a better situation, knowing Sonar better than I do which is very likely...only the wave files or other audio file type (But wave files here for sure.) can be imported into a new DAW. Nothing else. If you mixed and created mp3s you can import those too.

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/04 22:06:09 (permalink)
Hola, llevas razon sonar es bastante estable ojala encuentren una solucion a este problema a mi me ha dado un problema la actualizacion de windows, y sonar teneia algun fallo leve que ya he resuelto....animo

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All your audio would never be lost. It's in the audio folder and can be played with any DAW or Wave editor. A wav file is a standard file...The only thing you loose when you switch DAW's is your set up with what ever plug ins you used on tracks....




But..how does this work in practice?  I'm imagining going into my new DAW, say S1, and then importing .wav files - the tracks - one after the other.  Which ones do I import?  There's a lot of audio files related to a given project, but the DAW is only playing certain ones.  And how do I know the position of all the wave files along the time line?  Even if I record a 4 minute song in one take (mostly never), I still trim the silence...  
 
I'm genuinely curious how to approach this because it all sounds like a bunch of work that leads to a headache, and I'm not sure how many hours I could actually spend doing this.  I would love to believe that it's actually really simple, just do x, y and z.  


Unless others advise a better situation, knowing Sonar better than I do which is very likely...only the wave files or other audio file type (But wave files here for sure.) can be imported into a new DAW. Nothing else. If you mixed and created mp3s you can import those too.



Yes, I agree.  But actually *doing* it sounds like a nightmare.  Hours and hours per project..I would lose years of my life trying to do this if it really works as tediously as it sounds.  

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/05 00:21:35 (permalink)
We are sort of off topic but in a way that is why we are all saing we are going to stay with Sonar and that it will work for a long time. 
OK I understand there are people who never finish projects. ANd this creates this problem. The danger of thinking you can take 10+ years to finish something when it comes to using a DAW as apposed to using a tape recorder. Things change and eventually your projects will be left in the dust. 
So if you insist on never finishing songs then it's up to you to maintain the version of the DAW that they will play on. This is really only going to take you so far. So,,, before it happens -- finish it or at least re work it into a format that will stand the test of time. 
 
Me becuase of the way I work my audio files are easily sorted out. I name them before I record. I also don't do comping or much punching in. 
But if your audio folders are a mess you can do a few things to fix this. 
Don't bother with clean audio folder , it seems to not work as expected. 
Just use Save As and it will leave unused audio behind. You can also take a messy track with a hundered clips and bounce it to a nice new track and then delete the messy one. In other words you'll need to either finnish that song or do some work to make it future proof. 
 
And for many a huge part of our work is midi. Midi is super easy to save,,, just use "save as" and choose Mid 1. 
 
Oh you might what to assign different channels to each instrument. 
 

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/05 01:30:53 (permalink)
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We are sort of off topic but in a way that is why we are all saing we are going to stay with Sonar and that it will work for a long time. 
OK I understand there are people who never finish projects. ANd this creates this problem. The danger of thinking you can take 10+ years to finish something when it comes to using a DAW as apposed to using a tape recorder. Things change and eventually your projects will be left in the dust. 
So if you insist on never finishing songs then it's up to you to maintain the version of the DAW that they will play on. This is really only going to take you so far. So,,, before it happens -- finish it or at least re work it into a format that will stand the test of time. 
 
 



Actually...these are all finished projects, but using programmed drums, so now that I have a live drum set up I want to go back and put real drums in.  It's a lot of work, but also should be a lot of fun, and it matters to me.  I also want to mix in Mixbus because I'm impressed with the quality and approach.  So..just trying to find the best solution to get from one to the other.    
 
So yeah, I'm sticking with Sonar.  X1 apparently, on a Win 10 machine, isolated from the interwebs if necessary.     

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Re: Lets Hear from you folks who are going to stay with Sonar! 2017/12/05 02:16:10 (permalink)
Knowing how to use more than one tools is like reasonable.
 
I still prefer the 8.5.3 interface. More, done quicker, without having to constantly change "smart" tools. And fewer menus, menus, menus,...
 
Got SPLAT installed with "lifetime updates."  And use it after editing is finished.
 
So, as long as it works and is useful, it will be used. And then i will move to reaper cuz i use macros. And Sonar's script features are like stoopid, and less fun than they could be. But i do have dozens of CAL scripts i use for fun. Reaper can read two languages. And the interface is completely changeable.
 
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