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2015/02/14 17:36:54
timg11
I've posted several threads about bugs in Sonar (and submitted them to support).  Before buying it yet again, can anyone confirm that these have been fixed?   Is there an exhaustive "bugs fixed list" anywhere?
 
 
MIDI Sync problems:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Syncing-Sonar-tempo-to-match-external-MIDI-clock-m2976288.aspx#3136338
 
Moving clips with "Slide Over Old to Make Room" badly broken:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Why-does-moving-one-clip-change-the-others-on-the-same-track-m3099534.aspx#3099880
 
Tempo match / "fit improvisation"
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Matching-tempo-to-imported-audio-clip-m2896463.aspx#2899864
 
ASIO configuration:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Record-Latency-Adjustment-for-wrong-audio-device-m3117932.aspx
 
 
2015/02/14 17:45:43
Susan G
Hi Tim-
 
There's a thread about Noel's blog re fixes & enhancements with a link here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3169938
 
HTH-
 
-Susan
2015/02/14 20:06:12
Keni
Something to remember or at least consider...

If you don't continually upgrade, bugs from previous versions will never be fixed...

Keni
2015/03/24 09:23:20
thorsent
I've been using Sonar for 10 years and never been too vocal, and it hasn't bothered me for the past few years to pay what amounts to a $99 annual subscription, but when the price was jacked to $149 it changed my whole perspective. Sonar crashes sure, but it's been relatively stable for a few versions (my fingers hit ctrl-s every few seconds anyway). But what is killing me is multi-track editing which has gotten particularly difficult since fast-comp was added. I thought I'd be in heaven with fast-comp but it's turned out to be a kind of purgatory.
 
I *really, really* wish that fast-comp could be a "mode" that I could turn on and off. Has anyone else experienced the frustration of having manually comped a bunch of clips but then suddenly they all mute because you accidentally click in the bottom half of a clip instead of the top half? Ugh, this has forced me to stop using the smart tool which has seriously hurt my productivity. As a user, I'm either in fast-comp or good-old-comp mode depending on what's going on, never both, and I can't survive software that reverses my work because of an accidental click (no ctrl-z adds insult to injury on this one).
 
The other frustrating one, and this goes back a few years, is when you're comping a multi-track that is (supposedly) clip-grouped. Ever finish comping a track and then you open up the multis and find them in shreds? IMHO, if a clip is grouped then operations on that clip should *always* be replicated on grouped clips in other tracks - don't force me to highlight the clip! As a result, editing clip groups is weirdly a two click process, and it's too easy to accidentally edit without highlighting. Also, clips don't register boundary changes until you resize past the maximum of all grouped clips. This is just all silly. If clipped groups were simply locked and identical there's be no problems.
 
Then there are two perennial issues with audio-snap. The first is when a transient gets stuck. I don't understand this one, but sometimes you simply can't drag a transient. It refuses to move. I end up having to bounce and then re-engage audiosnap, usually splitting a track into multiple clips.
 
The other one which is a mind blower is when you've locked transients between grouped tracks and for some reason, one of the transients isn't actually locked! It's real easy not to notice this has happened and then a few days down the line you realize that your kick is no longer aligned with the overheads. This one gets the primal screams. More than once I've had to dig out the originals and start over.
 
I don't know if the grass is greener with other DAWs. What really hurts is that (in one of those surveys) I had submitted a long feature wish list after X1 and was incredibly pleased when several of those wish features showed up in X3 (speed comping was one of them). I really *get* Sonar and I love the product direction, but this is foundational stuff. 
2015/03/24 09:28:29
pwalpwal
timg11
I've posted several threads about bugs in Sonar (and submitted them to support).  Before buying it yet again, can anyone confirm that these have been fixed?   Is there an exhaustive "bugs fixed list" anywhere?
 
 
MIDI Sync problems:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Syncing-Sonar-tempo-to-match-external-MIDI-clock-m2976288.aspx#3136338
 
Moving clips with "Slide Over Old to Make Room" badly broken:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Why-does-moving-one-clip-change-the-others-on-the-same-track-m3099534.aspx#3099880
 
Tempo match / "fit improvisation"
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Matching-tempo-to-imported-audio-clip-m2896463.aspx#2899864
 
ASIO configuration:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Record-Latency-Adjustment-for-wrong-audio-device-m3117932.aspx

you can check the problem report forum for current "2015" issues here
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Problem-Reports-f77.aspx
 
and the abandoned outstanding x3e issues thread here
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Outstanding-Issues-as-of-X3E-UNOFFICIAL-m3195574.aspx
 
but no. there's no general "stuff we fixed" list because of, er, reasons? you may consider re-posting you threads in the problems forum
2015/03/24 09:40:36
Sanderxpander
If clips are properly grouped, you don't have to select them to edit them. At least I don't, or I'm not understanding you correctly.

It's possible to lock transients, you could try unlocking it first?

I agree about CTRL+Z needing to take into account comping selection. Although if it's a single clip I misclicked, it's not that much of an issue.
2015/03/24 12:42:25
Anderton
Also each release for members includes an eZine with documentation of the various features and fixes. Here are the fixes that were in the first release (named "Braintree"):
 
Fixes
Artist, Professional, Platinum
 
 Track controls could jump to previous value when overwriting automation
 Pattern Tool created erroneous gaps in data in some cases
 Middle mouse click HUD was not working in PRV under some circumstances
 Error when attempting to open a missing project from recent files menu
 Some Anderton CA-X amps would instantiate with wrong settings
 SONAR sometimes failed to migrate SONAR X3 settings
 Missing Console Emulator had graphical issues in new tracks until enabled
 MIDI data could not be selected via PRV Keyboard under some circumstances
 Mix Recall would crash with some projects containing AudioSnapped clips
 Melodyne clips could potentially become corrupted
 Under some circumstances launching SONAR in Safe Mode would revert the product to Demo
 Lasso in the PRV Controller Pane would sometimes perform an additive selection
 Zooming on take lanes would zoom to parent track
 AudioSnap Palette graphics were misaligned on non-English installs
 Dense projects may have scrolled sluggishly
 Errors when loading projects with Kontakt on some languages
 Drum map output prevented parent track from muting correctly
 Under some circumstances control surface help files were installed in incorrect language
 “Fades and Crossfades” section was missing in the documentation
 Documentation inaccuracy related to Browser drag-and-drop behavior
 Dimension Pro and Rapture serial numbers would not authorize automatically on systems with pre-existing installs
 Inaccurate tooltip was shown for the Automation Offset button
 Demo Mode notification links were incorrect
 Issues with looping playback when using MFX
 SONAR could potentially crash after recording in projects containing Region FX
 “About” now presents current membership status
2015/03/24 13:48:00
brundlefly
timg11
I've posted several threads about bugs in Sonar (and submitted them to support).
 

 
If you entered formal Problem Reports for these, the status of the report will tell you whether it's fixed. Here's my take:
 
MIDI Sync problems:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Syncing-Sonar-tempo-to-match-external-MIDI-clock-m2976288.aspx#3136338
 
I haven't use MIDI Sync in ages. I have successfully in the distant past (slaving to a Roland MC-50 and PMA-5). But it was always at a fixed and matching tempo. There have been some threads about SONAR not slaving to changing tempo from the Master.  I would guess this has not changed.
 
Moving clips with "Slide Over Old to Make Room" badly broken:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Why-does-moving-one-clip-change-the-others-on-the-same-track-m3099534.aspx#3099880
 
This is still broken. I believe it' still in the ReadMe as such.
 
Tempo match / "fit improvisation"
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Matching-tempo-to-imported-audio-clip-m2896463.aspx#2899864
 
I haven't gone through this thread in detail, but I would say that both Fit Improvisation and Set Project from Clip work mostly as advertised, but the latter can require a lot of work on the part of user to get good results. I tend to prefer doing it all manually using Set Measure/Beat At Now. It's ultimately not that much slower, and gives the most precise results. My main complaint about Set Project is that the tempo changes that SONAR inserts don't fall exactly on the measure/beat you set; they're inserted at the M:B:T time that was at the absolute Now time before the new tempo was calculated. Dumb bug introduced around X1, I believe; it worked right in 8.5.3 IIRC. usually, the resulting timing errors are negligible, but it makes the tempo map really ugly.
 
ASIO configuration:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Record-Latency-Adjustment-for-wrong-audio-device-m3117932.aspx
 
You never answered scook's question in that thread, which would be my first guess, too: Are the timing masters in Preferences > Driver Settings correct?
 
 
2015/03/24 14:12:40
orhanproject
thorsent
 I *really, really* wish that fast-comp could be a "mode" that I could turn on and off. Has anyone else experienced the frustration of having manually comped a bunch of clips but then suddenly they all mute because you accidentally click in the bottom half of a clip instead of the top half? Ugh, this has forced me to stop using the smart tool which has seriously hurt my productivity.


I feel your pain, Im frustrated since day one that this "always on" comp mode got in sonar...
I too wish that comping mode should be on/off with a shortcut, I wined about this before but nothing will really happen Im afraid, you'll have to get used to bad workflow :( because cake is soo proud of it and everybody seems to love it....
2015/03/24 14:29:16
Anderton
orhanproject
thorsent
 I *really, really* wish that fast-comp could be a "mode" that I could turn on and off. Has anyone else experienced the frustration of having manually comped a bunch of clips but then suddenly they all mute because you accidentally click in the bottom half of a clip instead of the top half? Ugh, this has forced me to stop using the smart tool which has seriously hurt my productivity.


I feel your pain, Im frustrated since day one that this "always on" comp mode got in sonar...
I too wish that comping mode should be on/off with a shortcut, I wined about this before but nothing will really happen Im afraid, you'll have to get used to bad workflow :( because cake is soo proud of it and everybody seems to love it....



Please don't assume that Cakewalk won't listen. Yes, people generally love the comping and yes, Cakewalk is proud of it for the context in which its optimized (and I believe rightfully so). But several people have mentioned limitations with multi-tracked group tracks and such. I don't know how deep the coding is where a simple on/off switch could be added, or whether CW would need to tear it down and start over from scratch. But if you can provide a clear picture of what it is you want in in the requests forum, you never know...someone at CW might say "Well it would be easy to do that."
 
Meanwhile, regarding the accidental clicking on position-sensitive areas, I expand the vertical height of Take Lanes to make the process easier. Which made me wonder...would a portrait display be better for DAWs than landscape? Hmmm...
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