I am also skeptical of win 10 being problematic here...

TWO huge Crashes the a few days ago with 2017 10. but fine after reboot! So far... (Win 10.)

X1 Expanded,X2,x3, Dell XPS L502x totally fine.
Factory refurb Lenovo w540 i7-4900MQ(twice the cpu bench blah-terrible DPC)as since celemony Dells 2.0 GHz Sandy Bridge i7-2630QM,was maxing,and coincidentally breaking the little Dell-both usb 3.0 ports got shoved inside after tumbling + interface local 9v adaptor fried everything (VS-100,adaptor obviously,and my favourite vintage BOSS DS-1),except the seriously "Hair Losing"annoyances of the remaining singular USB 2.0/eSATA combo which is stupidly impractical,as you had to pull OUT the USB plug just the perfect amount to get EVERYTHING to work-and it did(unless you breathed too violently)....losing all connectivity,so I LOVE Platinum-love the new added functions,but FATAL ERROR's,100's Hr's Lost work,haven't exported a NEW project for 13 months,also I'm just a guitar player-I'm NOT an AUDIO ENGINEER. it's a simple fact UNTIL?
 
P.s. We've had major family tragedies,issues,so USER ERROR is the No. 1 factor,and with THE sheer annoyance with EVERYTHING seeming fine(DPC is resolved enough by turning off ALL Internet adaptors,wi-fi etc),it's this weird refurb US 110 volt PC /Laptop even with a solid 500 watt TOP DOLLAR fully capable INVERTER with "US wall plug type 110 volt" correct everything,and me not wanting to painstakingly reinstall,and re authorize $3k USD of plugins.
 
SONAR Platinum works fantastic....then another Windows 7 x64 bit FATAL ERROR(sometimes after UTTER flawless 15 hours of sonar),then BAM a Microsoft Windows 7 Professional FATAL ERROR-no cakewalk reporting possibilities,and ESPECIALLY NO RETRIEVABLE DATA despite Ctrl S,and obviously"Preferences Save after every"etc,SO after the 20th/30th time when EVERYTHING seems fine(YET AGAIN)-it's time out again,and awesome-there goes another Microsoft? Lenovo? SONAR ? FATAL ERROR,so I need another machine simple,just too much has been hampering that: so PLEASE PLEASE POST,after my little speck of dust problems,as THE THREAD STARTER,would certainly appreciate more input,SO post AFTER my little deal,in the 'bigger picture' I'm like the Advertisement (for DAW psychological whatever?)so
Please carry on.
Bob(with the silly bit after my name bob that I'd change,but I do not? and SW?)
So again please POST PEOPLE

Outstanding. What a lot of work in this thread...😊

I read this post with great interest!!
 
I am plagued with audio dropouts and VST "no audio" as well -  almost on a daily basis now and also getting "sonar.exe has stopped working" messages which need either reboot or a complete PC shutdown.
 
The Sapphire shows audio in the level meters but doesn't output any into my mixer.
 
As for Sonar, I've been using it for years, but it's getting to the point I need to try something else - this is a crazy waste of time and like Leee I can't afford to chase around potential solutions instead of getting on with the music.
 
 
 

I get Audio Engine dropouts if I run the project, stop it, then insert a UAD plugin. If the engine is not running and I insert the UAD plugin it's fine. Note that the project is not playing, it's idle, so the idling engine decides to stop with the error message. Any other plugin seems to be fine. This type of behavior seems to indicate that the audio engine is rather fragile even if it's not actually playing anything, and reasons for it stopping may be other than the documentation suggests. 
 
You could try changing some of the playback settings, see if "Suspend Audio Engine when Sonar is not in focus" changes anything, or "Plugin load balancing", or "Always Stream Audio Through FX", or "Always open all devices". 

FWIW, I'm still on Win7 with a less than cutting edge system, but I'm just not seeing any of this behavior.   Sure, I reach the limits of my system when loading multiple synths and FX (which I always do), but otherwise both the 09 and 10 SONAR releases seem to be on par with every previous version on my end. 
 
Just added for parity...
 

FWIW I am suspicious of network driver, and win 10 updates.
 

I'll just add my update to my crash issues. Basically I think I'm in the clear now. 

 
Last week I had to force a Windows update as mine was stuck at 1703. So got that sorted so now I'm 1709  and then I updated Sonar as well. For the first time in the last 2 updates I didn't get the overloud.dll error! yeah! 
 
In Windows nothing got changed this time and other than the usual re authorizing of AD2 all my settings seemed to stay put. It was the 1703 original Creators update that made a mess of things and possibly there were bug fixes in 1709 that are at play now.  
Anyhow logged a lot of hours without a hick up and I even had the internet adaptor enabled for a few days. I shut it off for again and will stay put sans updates for a few months now. 
 
So from my point of veiw it was 1703 that was a bomb. 
 so you all might want to give it a try if your still on 1703. 
To check your version go to SETTINGS/ SYSTEM/ABOUT ( found at bottom of list so is off screen unless you scroll down)  
 

You know after reading all of these posts you would think someone would figure a way to write a program for us audio engineers that could scan our systems and based on the DAW we use make recommendations based on our hardware and driver versions to take out all the time we waste trying to tweak it in. Maybe even make some changes like uninstalling problematic drivers with our consent. 

Good point...problem is that Windows is a real **** to deal with...its like everyone's system has some elements unique to it's own environment and setup. Often times it's rogue drivers and superfluous hardware items that complicate the problem further still. I would hope however that Sonar personnel, who are in the know and understand their own software better than anyone else, are proactively implicating themselves to speedily find a rememdy. It is extremely frustrating and is presenting loss of time and opportunity for several users...me included! It's been a real test of patience after each dropout.

Here's something to try....
 
if everyone around the world stopped paying and working for money as if it did not even exist....and we just made good things , for the good of the whole life force to multiply properly...doing good onto..and for all living things of good or coming to be learning us as Helpers...not destroyers....
What would truly come of it....if this is world coming to not that.
 
 
 
 
So why do people continually listen to..These bent people who say they are trying to save liberty and freedom. while testing weapons of mass destruction on people and life....using those things as a test means nothing but more lies told.......It makes people sick...and so, they capitalize off of that detrimental...they put a detrimental...and redflags, lies, and bad practices put to cut corners and cost making....Yet care not the people harmed in the bought out end point....Look...they recall only when more then x is noted, and of course must be proven before any recall?
 
And so, also code...if it is written with bent intent...why would they allow disclosure and open source?...It is not allowed to decode, or copy to resell, or break the coding of....If so, one does do...it has a punishment attached.
 
 
Ok...not me writing it..or making it be...But, was it given me?..Yes...Did I try it to buy it...sure..that is what they say we should do....So, we do.
 
Now is it working properly?...look deeper than just the codex....
 
 
If you stop paying...you become a living entity of consumption also...but if you sow and grow freely and share freely as Barter.....Well they just come and blow up those living in caves, or bulldoze the tent city...or push with sticks and shields..out of the parks, more police...more names put as Poachers ....undesired People living simple lives.
 
And a war on Drugs...well how many died or were brought to justice in that ....?.how many got paid to do it to the people?.
 
And the Whole system is now in a upside down state...Saying to legalize some drugs...but only under that system can it be?....
 
 
I think hypocrisy is the Biblical word....but it means liars!
 
 
No restitution for all those made dead by ...or put into ..or harmed by...same measure?.
 
Forgive them?...I am not the father...or the one who is son of who said it right....But I am of his family line.
 
Are we not all from if human..to become kind...or humane?...honest and true?...good or better than...
 
So yeah Truth....reveal it.
 
Corruption on every freaking level...bent and ugly face reappearing...and people going missing....very odd things to ponder why, what, where , and when....
 
But it is all told and foretold....Let us not repeat it...and make Edens without sin, and give life back without tainting it too much with those ugly things some Humans believe is a game watching people suffer...and selling the poison to boot up into...or be booted by?
 
No wonder he said, it does not pass away the monsters made, or born onto, until all is fulfilled of his word and will.....includes the commandments of life....and one thing I know was of my own volition...Let us make Eden...So I tried...before I was five years old....and I saw things...some are just saying now are being seen...but are shadows...and some are spirit...and some are just there when you need them the most....not sure why it is so with this place....or is it just the matrix?....funny lines of parallels..a white rabbit...a odd flower...and five leaf clover, the horse did not want me to show and tell...took from my hand...more than one...a story writen on stone...yet not truly understood.....the giving hand..and the sharing hand..one is long stretched out...one is bringing good things to.
 
Well he does try on all sides, to keep some sort of pondering why these things come to the hand, and the mind continually....But, I see weekness in the force to put away the idol of old, and the sacrificing for...not meekness, or kindness hating our own kind or others....Do they hate us for not seeing them others as partners of life...wonder why they hate us...perhaps because we did not put back, or bring to tame, and sow and share with them...so, they do not come to be tame...Because we are not tame over them, nor our own kind are we caring for...If it goes to wealth and selfishness of resources polluting it all for what...War, fear, and injected mayhem......And sickness and suffering of many to do what ....Plastic coffins said are ready for.......Or, does it come to nothing.......or everything be good or better.....As this is getting out of sound mind....if Humans have a mind working to ponder it out and solve...........
 
 
Did he give us the answer, to the root cause of all of this mess??
 
Tend and keep the garden....who changed that to buy and sell?...Change it back..and give and share works better without the third hand.
 
 
 
 
 
And you got part of the answer in a book of telling it like it should be...But is not completely properly working for the right side of the force...........of a telling why it is so, that should not be but is!...until it is done proper, no one leaves or gains much life without suffering some of...seeing, or being harmed by...and it goes beyond even this?...
 
 
Could be 7 more problems...fire season...heavy weather...and shortages of..lots of things that make things work...might not work....when things get so stupid...and all you see are adverts everywhere...
 
 
This movie comes to mind more so....Put on the sunglasses and see them?...Oh, lookie here night vision...shows em up!
 
 
Wonder why?

Sir Les
Here's something to try....
 
if everyone around the world stopped paying and working for money as if it did not even exist....and we just made good things , for the good of the whole life force to multiply properly...doing good onto..and for all living things of good or coming to be learning us as Helpers...not destroyers....
What would truly come of it....if this is world coming to not that.
 
 
 
 
So why do people continually listen to..These bent people who say they are trying to save liberty and freedom. while testing weapons of mass destruction on people and life....using those things as a test means nothing but more lies told.......It makes people sick...and so, they capitalize off of that detrimental...they put a detrimental...and redflags, lies, and bad practices put to cut corners and cost making....Yet care not the people harmed in the bought out end point....Look...they recall only when more then x is noted, and of course must be proven before any recall?
 
And so, also code...if it is written with bent intent...why would they allow disclosure and open source?...It is not allowed to decode, or copy to resell, or break the coding of....If so, one does do...it has a punishment attached.
 
 
Ok...not me writing it..or making it be...But, was it given me?..Yes...Did I try it to buy it...sure..that is what they say we should do....So, we do.
 
Now is it working properly?...look deeper than just the codex....
 
 
If you stop paying...you become a living entity of consumption also...but if you sow and grow freely and share freely as Barter.....Well they just come and blow up those living in caves, or bulldoze the tent city...or push with sticks and shields..out of the parks, more police...more names put as Poachers ....undesired People living simple lives.
 
And a war on Drugs...well how many died or were brought to justice in that ....?.how many got paid to do it to the people?.
 
And the Whole system is now in a upside down state...Saying to legalize some drugs...but only under that system can it be?....
 
 
I think hypocrisy is the Biblical word....but it means liars!
 
 
No restitution for all those made dead by ...or put into ..or harmed by...same measure?.
 
Forgive them?...I am not the father...or the one who is son of who said it right....But I am of his family line.
 
Are we not all from if human..to become kind...or humane?...honest and true?...good or better than...
 
So yeah Truth....reveal it.
 
Corruption on every freaking level...bent and ugly face reappearing...and people going missing....very odd things to ponder why, what, where , and when....
 
But it is all told and foretold....Let us not repeat it...and make Edens without sin, and give life back without tainting it too much with those ugly things some Humans believe is a game watching people suffer...and selling the poison to boot up into...or be booted by?
 
No wonder he said, it does not pass away the monsters made, or born onto, until all is fulfilled of his word and will.....includes the commandments of life....and one thing I know was of my own volition...Let us make Eden...So I tried...before I was five years old....and I saw things...some are just saying now are being seen...but are shadows...and some are spirit...and some are just there when you need them the most....not sure why it is so with this place....or is it just the matrix?....funny lines of parallels..a white rabbit...a odd flower...and five leaf clover, the horse did not want me to show and tell...took from my hand...more than one...a story writen on stone...yet not truly understood.....the giving hand..and the sharing hand..one is long stretched out...one is bringing good things to.
 
Well he does try on all sides, to keep some sort of pondering why these things come to the hand, and the mind continually....But, I see weekness in the force to put away the idol of old, and the sacrificing for...not meekness, or kindness hating our own kind or others....Do they hate us for not seeing them others as partners of life...wonder why they hate us...perhaps because we did not put back, or bring to tame, and sow and share with them...so, they do not come to be tame...Because we are not tame over them, nor our own kind are we caring for...If it goes to wealth and selfishness of resources polluting it all for what...War, fear, and injected mayhem......And sickness and suffering of many to do what ....Plastic coffins said are ready for.......Or, does it come to nothing.......or everything be good or better.....As this is getting out of sound mind....if Humans have a mind working to ponder it out and solve...........
 
 
Did he give us the answer, to the root cause of all of this mess??
 
Tend and keep the garden....who changed that to buy and sell?...Change it back..and give and share works better without the third hand.
 
 
 
 
 
And you got part of the answer in a book of telling it like it should be...But is not completely properly working for the right side of the force...........of a telling why it is so, that should not be but is!...until it is done proper, no one leaves or gains much life without suffering some of...seeing, or being harmed by...and it goes beyond even this?...
 
 
Could be 7 more problems...fire season...heavy weather...and shortages of..lots of things that make things work...might not work....when things get so stupid...and all you see are adverts everywhere...
 
 
This movie comes to mind more so....Put on the sunglasses and see them?...Oh, lookie here night vision...shows em up!
 
 
Wonder why?

Les is more, sir

lgmab
DAMN! After another FRUSTRATING day of trying to troubleshoot, I accidentally stumbled on something!!
Not sure what to make of it..although I feel somehow that there is a hint of the problem we are discussing here:
 
I only use Sonar...today however, I opened Protools First (free version of Protools).
I had the latency checker on. I noticed that upon opening a simple wav file imported from Sonar that the latency meters shot WAY down!! Almost to half!!.
 
I then loaded Sonar and without even opening a song file, the latency meters shot up again!!
I took screen shots of the two scenarios showing the meters... but (embarrassingly) I don't now how to load them here.
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At this point I am wondering if a clean re install of Sonar Platinum(which is a pain) is worth it??

As far as posting pictures in this forum (something I had wondered about for a long time) you have to upload your pictures to a website that lets you post your pictures (I use Imgur, it's free), then once you have your pictures loaded to that site, you click on one of the link buttons (BB Code) for that particular picture, copy the URL code, and paste it into a message here.  And thus:

I am pretty certain at this point that Sonar is the problem. I ruled out my motu 16a sound card, I also ruled out my computer as a problem. It is either a driver, sonar and more precisely, the way it is loading and/or using drivers , or perhaps the way windows is allocating resources.