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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/21 12:03:17
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Thanks Jose. How do you see the core loadings? I am using 8.3.1 and I only see one average core reading on the bottom of my screen for CPU. Should it be rotating to the four cores of my processor (like it use to do at one time, I think?) Jose7822 I'm using Vista64 so I can't comment on XP. But I did notice an improvement in core loading once I applied this tweak. Before, the first core would show slightly more load than the rest. Now its all even.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/21 12:30:01
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Call up the Task Manager (Performance Tab).
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/21 21:14:10
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All cores should also be visible on the large transport.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 08:55:51
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Heading to MicroCenter shortly to buy Win 7. :) Updates later on the new build.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 11:09:55
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eratu I just put together a new DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and I'll be updating the forum with how it goes. My main DAW is a rock-solid Win XP SP3 machine and I can't afford any downtime so I decided I'd go with a new build as I work out the kinks and *finally* transition to x64. Once I have migrated projects over to this machine (assuming it works for me) then I'll gut the other DAW and bring that into the x64 world too. So far, I've built this new DAW based on an ASUS P6T motherboard, Core i7 920 and 12GB RAM. Your basic, run-of-the-mill i7 configuration that will no doubt be obsolete in a few years. :) Right now I'm just testing with Vista x64, but will install Win 7 x64 in a few days when it is officially released. This is my guinea pig for x64, and hopefully this attempt at a transition to x64 will finally stick. :) First impression: Easiest build I've done in years. Ridiculously easy and smooth so far, so I decided what the hell, I'm going to overclock this baby too. It's not my main DAW (which I do not overclock) so no real risk right now. I had read so many stories of how easy the i7 is to overclock, and *OH-MY* I have been stunned at how true that is. A good power supply, a good heatsink, good airflow, and you have easy-cheesy overclocking in minutes. I'm not a hardcore overclocker (I would like this DAW to reliably assist me in my work), but with no effort I am now running the sweet little i7 920 at 3.2 GHz. This is a pathetically low overclock in comparison to what this can handle, but more than enough to make me feel like I have a Ferrari purring under my sweaty DAW fingers. So far, it has easily passed memtest and prime95 testing with very acceptable temperatures. I am just stunned at how powerful this thing is. My main DAW is a very decent dual Xeon (8 core), but I think this may actually trump that, once you calculate in the higher clock speed, increased memory bandwidth, supposed optimizations of Sonar 8.5 for i7, etc. The biggest impression I have is yet another profound confirmation that we're in a new era, folks. This i7 920 CPU cost me a mere $200 at Microcenter. Think about that. This generation of chips/OS/DAW software (i.e. Sonar x64) is the GREAT EQUALIZER, folks. There are no more excuses. It's just you and your talent and skill. :) I'm in awe of its potential... particularly at the affordable price point. Can't wait to fire up some of my big projects and the Sonar/DAW benchmarks once I've got Win 7 on here. I'll post again as I continue my transition and get this up and running with Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64. Good times, my friends, good times. Hi eratu- do you use a firewire interface with this DAW? If so, what are you using at the computer side for firewire? PCI card, built in to the ASUS P6T motherboard, etc?
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 11:21:31
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HGC: The Asus P6T has a VIA firewire port onboard, so I will not be using that, although to be fair, I should try it out. I have a PCIe TI-based firewire card that I will install, that I know works perfectly with RME, Focusrite and any other firewire interface I've thrown at it. However, the main audio interface I'll install for day-to-day use will be a Lynx L22 (a PCI card) but I will also install a firewire device, probably my Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 just see how it performs.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 11:22:43
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Update: Up and running with Win 7 Pro x64. Easy install... Now to begin the slow process of drivers and apps....
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 11:37:06
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Hey Eratu, How long does it take to install Windows 7? Is it the same as Vista?
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 11:48:49
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But doesn't the RAM and need for new Mobo, PSU, etc. push the upgrade cost up more than normal?
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 12:19:55
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Jose7822 Hey Eratu, How long does it take to install Windows 7? Is it the same as Vista? Not sure, I think it was a little faster to install Windows 7. I didn't do an "upgrade" -- I did a clean install. Subjectively, I'd say it was faster.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 12:21:59
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...wicked But doesn't the RAM and need for new Mobo, PSU, etc. push the upgrade cost up more than normal? If you need to get those things, then yes... just like any OS upgrade cycle. But if you have already fairly recent hardware, I think you'd be in decent shape. However, judging from what I can see so far, I'd throw in as much RAM as possible no matter what... that's the whole point of x64, right? :)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 12:27:07
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Update: installing drivers, going very smoothly. Also just installed ESET Smart Security Disabled onboard audio, onboard JMicron controller, onboard firewire. About to install PCIe TI firewire card and Lynx card....
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 12:55:46
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Cool, keep updating please :-) Can't wait to hear your reaction when testing Sonar 8.5.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 21:12:00
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Im thinking of going with an Intel "Smackover" board this time instead of Asus. The Intel board has no IDE slots and no ps2 connectors. Out with the old, in with the new. Hopefully that will ease up IRQ conflicts. It also uses a TI Firewire chipset.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 21:57:10
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Well, here's my progress report. Nothing so far. Got way behind in time as when I went to Fry's to pick up Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit OEM, guess what? They were sold out! WTF? They had 45 preorders that went out and only had 17 more copies to sell, which of course sold quick as sh*t! I was standing in line at the counter behind some other poor fool looking to buy the same thing so at least I didn't have to waste any time asking if they had it. So I got a rain check for the one day only sale price of $159. He did tell me that 2 trucks were in route with more copies that should arrive around 3 pm. So I went home and called them every half hour to see if it showed up. Talked with some lady who said yeah we have it, only 4 copies though. So needless to say I jumped in the car and flew down there. Of course she didn't tell me (and I didn't ask) but as the guy behind the counter said, those 4 copies were all preorders that hadn't been picked up yet. Oh well. But, he did tell me that the truck had just arrived (an hour and a half early) and was being unloaded as we speak, and he said he would go see if he could grab me a copy. Low and behold, he got me one! It's like Christmas morning! So that put me behind 5 hours. I've just finished copying all of my project files over to another drive and I am currently formatting my audio drive (damn, a Terabyte drive takes FOREVER to format!). Next will be the main C drive and then off to the installation of Windows 7 and Sonar 8.5. Oh what fun awaits me! I post again if this hard drive ever finishes formatting... Brent
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 22:02:09
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You should've used quick format. Keep us posted though :-)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 22:13:18
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Jose7822 You should've used quick format. Keep us posted though :-) I actually did, but it seemed too quick. I'll sleep better at night knowing I did a full format though...
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 22:27:57
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A1MixMan Jose7822 You should've used quick format. Keep us posted though :-) I actually did, but it seemed too quick. I'll sleep better at night knowing I did a full format though... Well, if it makes you sleep better then what can we do? :-)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/22 22:51:21
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eratu I had read so many stories of how easy the i7 is to overclock, and *OH-MY* I have been stunned at how true that is. A good power supply, a good heatsink, good airflow, and you have easy-cheesy overclocking in minutes. eratu, which heatsink/fan are you using? I have a nearly identical i920 system except the motherboard is the lower-priced (and lower-featured) SE version of the P6T that you have and only 6 GB of RAM. I'm using the stock Intel heatsink/fan and am hesitant to try to overclock because of increased heat. Did you find a good, but quiet, heatsink fan?
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 08:41:41
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mistermac9 eratu I had read so many stories of how easy the i7 is to overclock, and *OH-MY* I have been stunned at how true that is. A good power supply, a good heatsink, good airflow, and you have easy-cheesy overclocking in minutes. eratu, which heatsink/fan are you using? I have a nearly identical i920 system except the motherboard is the lower-priced (and lower-featured) SE version of the P6T that you have and only 6 GB of RAM. I'm using the stock Intel heatsink/fan and am hesitant to try to overclock because of increased heat. Did you find a good, but quiet, heatsink fan? I'm using the Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme 1366 RT Rev. C CPU cooler. My first choice was the Noctua one I kept reading about, but they were out of stock at the time, so I got this Thermalright one, which is also highly rated. Very quiet, easy assembly, bolts on rock solid, and cools extremely well. Huge, too. Make sure your case will accommodate the new generation of tower 120mm coolers. Worth every penny if you are going to overclock. :)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 08:50:27
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Update: Too tired last night to do any more. Today, will hopefully at least get Sonar up and running so I can give you my impressions. I had trouble yesterday installing my firewire card. Strange things, caused my motherboard to think I put in a new CPU. I have no idea what the heck happened. Annoying, so I tried another firewire card. This time I went with PCI instead of PCIe. Not happy about doing that, but most PCIe cards use a PCI bridge anyway, and I was reading about decreased performance in some cases, due to this built-in bridge. So what the heck, I put in the tried and true TI-based ADS Pyro PCI 64R2 (a.k.a. ADS API-315) which all the Avid people swoon over, and has good reviews from some RME , TCE and M-Audio people. Once I put that in there, I was able to get up and running with my Saffire Pro 40, and I also put my Lynx L22 in there. For the Saffire Pro 40, I'm using control panel 1.7 and the "legacy" firewire driver in Win 7, and for the Lynx L22, I'm using build 17RC1. Both drivers seem to be working great. I checked the DPC latency as well, and no issues. Just as a reminder, I've disabled onboard sound, onboard VIA firewire and onboard JMicron controller. Humming along now. Today sometime, I'll get Sonar up and running. :)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 08:52:19
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I use Noctua! I'm very pleased! Very quiet I can't even hear it in normal-mode!  Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme 1366 RT Rev seems great too!, Great that it work for you James. Worth every penny getting a quiet work environment too... Regards Freddie
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 10:01:16
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Freddie: Yep, you're right -- worth every penny for the low noise as well. I wouldn't even bother with a stock cooler. The Noctua beats the Thermalright on the noise area, although the Thermalright is plenty quiet. Naturally, you can put whatever 120mm fans you want on either one, so in that sense, there's no issue. I don't regret the Thermalright cooler at all (in fact, the fit is perfect for the P6T and the DIMMs, but if I had my preference, I would have gone with the Noctua since it already includes the outstanding Noctua fan kit as well.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 11:41:37
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soundtweaker Im thinking of going with an Intel "Smackover" board this time instead of Asus. The Intel board has no IDE slots and no ps2 connectors. Out with the old, in with the new. Hopefully that will ease up IRQ conflicts. It also uses a TI Firewire chipset. So the Intel board must take a USB mouse, then. Is that better than using a PS2 mouse? Do you have IRQ conflicts now with those connections present? I'm not building a new system yet; I do follow these threads for useful info, though...
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 12:05:26
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eratu Freddie: Yep, you're right -- worth every penny for the low noise as well. I wouldn't even bother with a stock cooler. The Noctua beats the Thermalright on the noise area, although the Thermalright is plenty quiet. Naturally, you can put whatever 120mm fans you want on either one, so in that sense, there's no issue. I don't regret the Thermalright cooler at all (in fact, the fit is perfect for the P6T and the DIMMs, but if I had my preference, I would have gone with the Noctua since it already includes the outstanding Noctua fan kit as well. That's great James! =) Noctua 120mm fans, has the lowest noise I've heard so far...but there are many other great fans out there too. Regards Freddie
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 13:01:11
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Update: Okay, up and running with Sonar 8.5.1 on Win 7 x64. So far, this is all I've been able to install: Saffire Pro 40 Lynx L22 Edirol PCR300 I had problems with the Edirol PCR300 driver installation, the basic setup program for Vista x64 would not allow me to install the driver on Win 7 x64. However, I did it manually from the Windows devices page by "updating" the driver, and having it search for the Vista x64 driver in the appropriate directory. Problem solved for now, although I hope there's a revised installer coming out soon. Next, I got Sonar 8.5.1 x64 up and running then immediately opened one of the tutorial projects. It said it was missing a plugin. I continued anyway, everything else loaded up fine. Then, I set the Lynx L22 to 32 sample latency to see if Sonar could handle it. To my delight, it did! I don't know how much this thing will take at 32 sample latency, but that's the first time I've had Sonar work reliably at 32 samples -- ever. That is a goooooood sign. Next, I just played around with the project, moving, opening windows, and CRASH! I have never experienced this one before. A bit of a downer right after having the success with 32 samples. After investigating, it seems the fault may be with the Aliasfactor.dll plugin file. Otherwise, the system seems fine so far, once I remove Aliasfactor. I've been able to reproduce the crash several times now at different latencies, this is what I did: RECIPE for Sonar 8.5.1 x64 crash in Windows 7 x64: Open MixingTutorial-Complete <dialog comes up saying it is missing the Cakewalk Studioverb2 plugin> Continue (click OK) Play the session Double-click on any track's audio clip (as the session is playing) Loop construction window comes up As the window comes up, there is a slight glitch/gap in audio, then window opens (annoying but I'll live with that for now) Change loop construction window size Wiggle and drag the loop construction window around quickly, keep doing so until after bar 9 Close the loop construction window CRASH! Here's the report: Problem signature: Problem Event Name: BEX64 Application Name: SONARPDR.exe Application Version: 17.5.1.148 Application Timestamp: 4aa929ce Fault Module Name: Aliasfactor.dll Fault Module Version: 1.0.0.1 Fault Module Timestamp: 469bde89 Exception Offset: 000000000000d44f Exception Code: c000000d Exception Data: 0000000000000000 OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: ada2 Additional Information 2: ada2e21e0fd4b0ff3ad5557075bc8fcd Additional Information 3: 63f1 Additional Information 4: 63f1ebdb34c125b93dd88e4f3fd0ff19 Looks like we have a problem with the Aliasfactor plugin! SOOOO, I removed the Aliasfactor plugin from the project (on track 12) and tried to get it to crash again... seemed fine. So I think it's clear there's something funky going on with track 12 and Aliasfactor. OTHERWISE, Cakewalk seems to be running great so far. Great potential that I can get going with 32 samples with the Lynx audio card. :) Will be pushing this to see how far it will go.
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 13:34:58
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Another quick update: Just created a very simple project to start testing latency and stability at 32 samples: 12 tracks 12-15 VST 6 VSTi with MIDI tracks, also playing live This machine doesn't break a sweat playing live. Now, it shouldn't have a problem at all, of course, but I've never been able to do this at 32 sample latency. That's impressive. My 8-core Xeon running Win XP couldn't do what this single i7 is doing on Win 7 at this latency. I think I could run 3-4 times this load before I start worrying about dropouts... not sure yet, but it seems like it could handle it. And considering that I haven't ever been able to run any type of session like this at 32 samples before, this is very good news indeed. In fact, insanely good news. :) Congrats to Cakewalk, Microsoft and Intel for making something like this possible. Will be pushing much further, but for now I have a feeling that my normal latency of 128 samples will crush just about anything I throw at it. :)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 13:52:37
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Hey Eratu, I'm really glad to hear that you're now able to work reliably at such low latency (minus the crash). That's just amazing! The Alias factor plugin is indeed buggy and this has already been reported to Cakewalk. A fix is on its way in the next free update, so hopefully it will cure that. Studioverb2 is a 32 bit DX plugin, which is why you got that message. But I'm sure Cakewalk will port this one to 64 bit land soon :-) The other thing is that, if a driver is being stuborn in W7, you can run it in Vista compatibility mode by right-clicking the executable file and selecting this mode. It should work with the PCR drivers. Even though you already got it working, it might come in handy for other drivers. Well, I'm really happy for you my friend. Seems like you finally have the system you wanted all these years. Hope to join you some time soon :-) Take care!
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 14:00:15
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So far, so good, Jose! I still have to install a big pile of plugins, many of which are 32-bit! And then I have to test scoring to a video clip with tons of tracks, plugins, etc.... and really hammer the system in at least an 8-hour session before the verdict is in.... but all signs point to a positive resolution so far. It really is strange and exciting to be able to run a session with a bunch of VSTi at 32 sample latency just now. Thrilling in a way. I have been hoping it would be possible one day, and that day is today. :)
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Re:New DAW build for Sonar 8.5 x64 and Win 7 x64 - work in progress
2009/10/23 14:03:16
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Oh, one other quick note: I did change the AUD.INI file with the standard tweak for multi-core: I set the ThreadSchedulingModel=2 Not sure if it did much, but I set it anyway. :)
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