Not sure what that's supposed to mean - blame it on language barrier or maybe it's an internet thing or me misreading - whatever.
 
I'm guessing it's sarcasm again, but whatever - if it can make you feel better about yourself...

Firestarter.

robert_e_bone
Yeah - I thought I did pretty well to restrain myself - just had to let it go at some point.
 
I'm a bad person :)
 
Bob Bone

Uh... bad to the bone?
 
Just sayin'...   

Rain
 
 
Name calling and sarcasm. I honestly thought you were above this, Jim.

First, you know that I respect you (even if we disagree).
 
Using the term "hipster" is name-calling?
My GF's daughter is big time into pop-culture (She's a 21 year old college senior - uses a Macbook Pro BTW)... and refers to herself as a hipster.
 
I mentioned that I was obviously biased.
I called Mac users "cool kids"
I called PC users (including myself) "control freaks"
I was making what I consider valid points... tong-in-cheek
 
I don't like the "Apple way" (or Dell or HP for that matter).  I prefer "my way"

Guitarmech111
SONAR has one more chance with me too. If they change my work flow for the worse, I am bailing. X2B has to solidify what made 8.5 great with innovative features of X1. Solidify those aspects of SONAR and Roland may keep some clients.

That above, has been my worst experience which if you think about it, though it's important and something that can be annoying, it's not been the end of the world. But, when my work flow is forced to change and that change is not something that I feel is for the better, it's easy to have a hissy fit. I like options whenever possible. The more options the better. I like the ability to do things I may have been able to do before instead of being forced to do things I really do not enjoy. I'm still having a hard time with right click lasso in X2 to the point of really getting angry. I'd like the choice to use left click like I used to.
 
The more things like this come into play, the more you start to not like something. I think anyone can understand that feeling. I had a Dodge Viper. Killer car...side pipes made it so hot inside, it killed the experience no matter how cool the car was. It lasted 1 week before I sold it.
 
That said, I AM interested in what the next Sonar release may be even if I am undecided at this time as to whether or not I'd buy. I've had my share of issues with the X series and have been vocal about them. Instead of complaining, I've opted to try and make a difference and will just submit reports on any thing I find. It doesn't take any time at all really. If we don't report things, no one knows there is a problem. If we yell and scream without asking for help on the forum, no one pays attention. If you HAVE asked for help here and you HAVE reported any and all issues, you've done your part.
 
To those that think CW isn't listening. Don't kid yourselves. Try being nice on here when you have a problem and try to explain it on the forum to where someone will help you. Seriously...try it. 7 times out of 10 you get fixed right here. But shhhh....this won't happen all the time, but Sonar support just MAY send you a little pm if you are acting like a human being that is attempting to fix an issue like a human being. In my time here as a Sonar user, I've had just about every staff member from Cake pm me offering to help me with issues over the years. I'm no one special. I posted questions and had issues that interested them enough to want to help me.
 
I can't promise this will happen to you...but I can tell you you'll have a better chance gaining attention while being human, supplying system stats and exact steps showing your issue as well as trying your best to be patient. They read these forums, trust me...and they DO care if they lose your business.
 
Some truth from a pro: I'm using every DAW under the sun right now due to clients that are using other DAWs that request I work in them. Let me be honest with you. I'm hating every minute of sitting behind a DAW that isn't Sonar. I'm so sick of learning new systems, dealing with issues, learning my way around....trust me, if you had the coin to drop on any DAW, it still doesn't fix everything. Not one is perfect for me and it matters not if I use mac or pc.
 
I've spent a lot of money on Sonar and a lot of time on Sonar as well as trying my best to make a difference on this forum. I firmly believe that a DAW is only as strong as its user base. It's up to us to help out when we can by reporting things to Sonar support. They are a very small company. Forget the whole Roland thing....Cake is owned by them, not operated by them. Yeah, X2 isn't perfect...just about all of us have had a few issues here and there. But trust me when I tell you, unless you are so fed up that you simply can't stomach the program, you're only going to change to something else and be missing things you have grown to love here while picking up new issues.
 
Your work flow is important. Someone made a post in this thread about bugs being fixed that you might not even see if you don't use the DAW that way. This is so true, I can't even begin to explain it. I know there are people that have a hard time with Sonar and they are legit. I'll never go against that and say "it's your pc and you don't know what you're doing." If you want to try and fix things, you got a forum full of some of the best peer support dudes in the business. If you want to cry foul and switch DAWs, you're entitled to that too. I'd try to fix the thing first though. Don't be mad if by chance you may not be able to do it on your own....even if you are a pc guru.
 
Remember, the X series is still young. But it's come a long way fast in my opinion. No show stoppers for me...only a few small annoyances that I just wish I had options for. A few small quirks that I can't reproduce at all times or I'd submit to TS. I'm trying to have patience because I do believe in this. It looks better than any program, it feels better than any program, its feature set is better than any program and it's what *I* prefer out of all the ones I have. I'd like to stick it out and help make it better because let me tell you, after all the years using Sonar, it's been a frustrating road learning all the others. The sooner I stop that part of my business, the better. :)
 
-Danny

jbow
 
@Jim Roseberry... what do you think about the new *ahem... Pro Tools 11 ?? It is cool man... (runs away).
 
 

IMO (being somewhat serious), ProTools 11 is the coolest it's ever been.
It's now on-par (feature wise) with most other native DAW apps.
Only issue (right at this moment) is limited 3rd-party AAX 64Bit support.
ie:  If you make extensive use of Native Instruments plugins, you'll have to either use the 32Bit version of ProTools (v10.36 which can be installed along side PT11)... or use a "sub-host" like Vienna Ensemble Pro.

Jim Roseberry

jbow
 
@Jim Roseberry... what do you think about the new *ahem... Pro Tools 11 ?? It is cool man... (runs away).
 
 

IMO (being somewhat serious), ProTools 11 is the coolest it's ever been.
It's now on-par (feature wise) with most other native DAW apps.
Only issue (right at this moment) is limited 3rd-party AAX 64Bit support.
ie:  If you make extensive use of Native Instruments plugins, you'll have to either use the 32Bit version of ProTools (v10.36 which can be installed along side PT11)... or use a "sub-host" like Vienna Ensemble Pro.

Or Reaper, which is probably the cheapest way of doing it. 

My daughter bought an used iMac laptop about 1.5 years ago. It died about 6 mo ago. She loved it until it died and to fix it was more than buying a good laptop with W8,  She got a Lenovo and it happy with it.

 
Great Steve Jobs's Ghost!
 
A Mac dying? What will the cool kids think?
 

Jim Roseberry

jbow
 
@Jim Roseberry... what do you think about the new *ahem... Pro Tools 11 ?? It is cool man... (runs away).
 
 

IMO (being somewhat serious), ProTools 11 is the coolest it's ever been.
It's now on-par (feature wise) with most other native DAW apps.
Only issue (right at this moment) is limited 3rd-party AAX 64Bit support.
ie:  If you make extensive use of Native Instruments plugins, you'll have to either use the 32Bit version of ProTools (v10.36 which can be installed along side PT11)... or use a "sub-host" like Vienna Ensemble Pro.

Hey Jim.. I was trying to play off this in good humor:
 
You know... I often bump into younger folks who are into recording.
Usually happens at a computer store... or the local Guitar Center or Sam Ash
Almost without fail, they mention ProTools... trying to impress
Guess that means they're all professionals.  
 
Thanks though, I do wonder about PT 11 sometimes but am not thinking of a change. I still have faith in Cakewalk. Change is hard but we will get there. Maybe you need a lefthanded mouse (runs away again)...
 
Julien
 

 

dubdisciple
Jbow..did not mean to imply mp3s don't work on iPhones, iPad, etc. I just find it silly that one has to go throigh a conversion process to plau a file format that plays directly on even $5 generic devices. The forced use of b itunes is sething we get used to but I do find myself using my android phone for music more than my nanopod due to the ease of dragging and dropping Vs wanting for itunes to convert mp3 and every other format. Not to mention how it takes extra steps to share my own music with someone else if I am using apple

Agree, I will likely go with Samsung or HTC next go around. I do not like being forced into anything, not even something I may otherwise want to do, lol. I did misunderstand you before, thanks for clearing it up!
J

dubdisciple
Jbow..did not mean to imply mp3s don't work on iPhones, iPad, etc. I just find it silly that one has to go throigh a conversion process to plau a file format that plays directly on even $5 generic devices. The forced use of b itunes is sething we get used to but I do find myself using my android phone for music more than my nanopod due to the ease of dragging and dropping Vs wanting for itunes to convert mp3 and every other format. Not to mention how it takes extra steps to share my own music with someone else if I am using apple

What ?

You can put mp3's on an i device and play them, no problem. Why convert them ?

Also there are other freewares you canuse other than iTunes for the transfer.

Cheers,
Jerry

Danny Danzi

Guitarmech111
SONAR has one more chance with me too. If they change my work flow for the worse, I am bailing. X2B has to solidify what made 8.5 great with innovative features of X1. Solidify those aspects of SONAR and Roland may keep some clients.

That above, has been my worst experience which if you think about it, though it's important and something that can be annoying, it's not been the end of the world. But, when my work flow is forced to change and that change is not something that I feel is for the better, it's easy to have a hissy fit. I like options whenever possible. The more options the better. I like the ability to do things I may have been able to do before instead of being forced to do things I really do not enjoy. I'm still having a hard time with right click lasso in X2 to the point of really getting angry. I'd like the choice to use left click like I used to.
 

FWIW, I have to agree with very much disliking many of the workflow changes and the now somewhat flaky 'event editor' which I use quite often.  Not just X1->X2, but 8.5->X1.  Seeing as how I had a new learning curve, it seemed only logical to take the opportunity to look at other DAW software.
 

joakes

What ?

You can put mp3's on an i device and play them, no problem. Why convert them ?

Also there are other freewares you canuse other than iTunes for the transfer.

Cheers,
Jerry

 
There are third party software that will transfer items to an apple device...but every now and then Apple releases and "update that totally hoses that software.   The bottom line is one should not have to convert an mp3.  And yes, apple products convert all mp3s even if it seems seamless. You will not find an mp3 on an ipod or ipad library

SuperG

My daughter bought an used iMac laptop about 1.5 years ago. It died about 6 mo ago. She loved it until it died and to fix it was more than buying a good laptop with W8,  She got a Lenovo and it happy with it.

 
Great Steve Jobs's Ghost!
 
A Mac dying? What will the cool kids think?
 

Brilliant. And the point of this was - to ridicule Apple and provoke people using Mac? To educate people? Do you honestly believe that people are actually that stupid that they need your guidance to make their mind about Apple? In which case you may understand why I feel your sarcasm derogatory. Or is it beyond you to just participate to the discussion w/o constantly provoking others?
 
Do you need to make yourself feel better over your computer platform of choice that badly? Man, I'm glad you don't own a Mac because you would be one of those Apple cultist/raving fanatics who give the rest of Mac users a bad rep...

Is n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?