No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer!

Great profile pic - good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Bob Bone
 

With the release of Logic Pro X, Cakewalk better get on top of things b/c the competition has just gotten that much stiffer.

bladetragic
With the release of Logic Pro X, Cakewalk better get on top of things b/c the competition has just gotten that much stiffer.

Is Logic pro X for PC? If it were what does it do that Sonar X2 can't do? I'm glad they all keep making better products, but I really don't see where I will gain anything in leaving Cakewalk at this point. (You can't see my smile, but this is light hearted banter and not me being an ass.)

clintmartin

bladetragic
With the release of Logic Pro X, Cakewalk better get on top of things b/c the competition has just gotten that much stiffer.

Is Logic pro X for PC? If it were what does it do that Sonar X2 can't do? I'm glad they all keep making better products, but I really don't see where I will gain anything in leaving Cakewalk at this point. (You can't see my smile, but this is light hearted banter and not me being an ass.)

Just saying that another major player in the DAW game has stepped it up a notch.  And as long as the folklore persists in the audio industry that the "pros" use Macs and Macs are "better machines" there's always going to be that temptation out there for a lot of people to journey to the other side.  Even if it may be misguided. 
 
I won't lie, I've been tempted just for the compatibility purposes.  I recently spent a few months in Atlanta doing some work for a TV show for a major network.  Unfortunately while I was there my laptop was stolen and I was forced to use Logic 9 to finish one of the songs.  Luckily it was the last song.  Other than Pro Tools, Logic was the only other DAW that was in EVERY major studio I went to during my time there b/c they all had Macs. 

Artdude
No X2b  =  No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer!
 
"nuff said"
 
Tim
PS: For more info see thread X2b or not to be... Yeah, another 

Say it ain't so.
 
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Schlugluglugluglug...hiss...

Hi all,i have read the "awesome"features of Logic Pro X......X like Sonar???!!! the new Virtual Drummer ???!!! But they are doing the same things as Cakewalk but very late?
Remember the "awesome!!??" per clips volume of Pro Tools 10.......
We have a great DAW (for me).....
We think with our brains is always better.
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So I've heard that they don't really pay attention to the forum, what about everyone sending a request to support under the submit a feature request:
cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx
 
I'm not talking about everyone sending multiple request or anything malicious, just everyone sending a request for the "b" update.

ugp
So I've heard that they don't really pay attention to the forum, what about everyone sending a request to support under the submit a feature request:
cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx

First an foremost if you are experiencing problems make sure you report it with plenty of detail and information using the problem reporter http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/problemreport.aspx 
Many people will have done that already, but I suspect many others have not yet done so.
While I doubt that feature requests for a patch will result in action if they contained the problem reporter numbers they may have more credibility.
 

Don't you get it: this is just another Herman Munster temper tantrum. "I want it, I want it, I want it!" as he stomps his feet , the whole house shakes, and the ceiling crashes in.  

daveny5
Don't you get it: this is just another Herman Munster temper tantrum. "I want it, I want it, I want it!" as he stomps his feet , the whole house shakes, and the ceiling crashes in.  

 

 Dave, it's not often that I disagree with you....
 
But the OP paid for his software licence and he's got every right to say what he wants about it, or his intentions for that matter. He's got the same right as someone else who might want to lavish praise on SONAR and express their intention to stay loyal to Cakewalk.
 
In either scenario, and providing nobody strays outside the TOS, I can't see a problem with this. And when push comes to shove, it's up to Cakewalk to decide whether or not such posts and threads (and their creators) are permitted to remain in the forum.
 
 

I think the most of  "happy w x2a " users are not working in industry. Maybe these little issues are not a big deal for them.  But trust me i could loose my client and can not pay  my  flat rents  just because of a single crash. So every single bug are potential troubles for my business.  That's why i'm coming here and looking for X2b update everyday. Thats why I am impatient. Please  understand my/our situation.
 
ahh also sorry for my English.

The not-so-obvious thing that is ethically challenging to me, and we know there's not much of a way around it is this with Cakewalk: Cakewalk sells X2, knowing it has bugs, but doesn't communicate those open bugs to the customers, except when the customer discovers them and calls support. I have a problem with that.
 
Is this unlike other DAW makers? Probably not, but such a list is something other more highly competitive companies companies provide to logged in customers to help limit the number of support calls and/or frustrations. 
 
Take a note from Cisco Systems Inc.. for example. Every new code release (incremental, btw) has a list of open issues and issues resolved. The Issues resolved are just so, but the open issues are routinely updated so that customers can decide whether to update or not.
 
In the case of X2, had Cakewalk been able to offer routine patches or updates (minor versions) with an open caveat or issues list, we'd all be much happier. The process in use today by the DAW makers is grossly outdated, and the only company successful (albeit failing as of late) at doing things in secret is Apple Corp. It's a dying strategy, and anyone who follows it loses in the end. Even Microsoft gets that.
 

KPerry
Patches come with a list of fixes on the website/download page.
 
The readme installed with SONAR (and updated with patches) file carries a number of issues and workarounds.
 
Maybe not totally comprehensive, but to say it doesn't exist is simply not true.

Sorry, my point isn't fully understood perhaps. Sonar is SELLING a known bug or two. Those bugs are NOT listed on the site before the purchase is made. So, any README files are a surprise, which is how OpenSource code works, typically. Bought software does, too, but my point is that Cakewalk doesn't take the initiative to let you know up front any open issues with a patch or platform level (X1, X2, etc.). They only let you know what was fixed.
 
Other companies do. Maybe not DAW companies, but by perusing the forum, you can size up the frustration this strategy exposes. It's ok to admit there are open issues. To be open about such things lets the customer know that the company doesn't have something sinister or negative to hide. To be tight-lipped sends the message to the customers that the company has plans that do not necessarily address the open issues. So, my ethical challenge is, and this is nothing new, if you willingly sell a product knowing there are a few bugs, hoping the customer will never experience them, are they listed in the README or on the website? Are they being addressed or will they only be disclosed as known bugs on a support call? If the latter you're bound to ask, "When is the patch/fix going to be available? What would be the support agent's response to that question?"
 
How would that discovery make you feel as a new Cakewalk customer?
 
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