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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 15:36:08 (permalink)
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I loved my Vic-20 and c-64.  My first experience with assembly language was on the vic-20


And mine on the C64. Didn't even have an assembler, used to write them out on paper, convert to hex then decimal and load the instructions via POKE statements. Talk about dedicated!

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 15:54:56 (permalink)
SuperG
 
 
Aww for crying out loud, you take that as bait? Sheesh...
 
As for cool kids, yeah, there are a lot of them, but that in no way means that every Apple user is. Still, generalities are useful as summaries - and a lot of Apple users fit the bill. A ribbing on Apple in a Windows product forum isn't all that unusual...nor is a bit of snobbery in in an Apple product forum.
 
The rest of the post seems a bit of a projection, and sarcasm isn't an issue for most people. It can be problem for those with self-image or narcissistic issues.




In the context of this thread, after all that's been said and after you've already expressed your feelings about Apple and made plenty of sarcastic remarks? Yes I do take it as such. 
 
Just because YOU feel entitled to make one derogatory remark after the other and to keep on going doesn't mean that it's welcome and appropriate forever. I can handle poking - as long as the person on the poking end can figure out when it starts becoming annoying. 
 
Speaking of projection, how about trying to imply that the issue is with the people on the receiving end, the people you constantly make derogatory remarks about, even "jokingly"? Not only you can't figure out that a joke is getting old but you actually imply that the issue is with the audience? Talk about narcissistic issues man...
 
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I guess what annoys me the most is that I'm always expecting that at the end of the day, in spite of all arguments, things will settle down. I assume there's some kind of inherent good will on everyone's part, you know... You made your point, I made mine, we don't agree but it's ok. 
 
That's usually when people w/ any trace of social skills will give the sarcasm a break. I mean, don't you feel that sort of thing at some point in a discussion? Didn't you have the slightest clue that your remark did nothing but to act as yet another insult?
 
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 16:21:32 (permalink)
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SuperG
 
 
Aww for crying out loud, you take that as bait? Sheesh...
 
As for cool kids, yeah, there are a lot of them, but that in no way means that every Apple user is. Still, generalities are useful as summaries - and a lot of Apple users fit the bill. A ribbing on Apple in a Windows product forum isn't all that unusual...nor is a bit of snobbery in in an Apple product forum.
 
The rest of the post seems a bit of a projection, and sarcasm isn't an issue for most people. It can be problem for those with self-image or narcissistic issues.




In the context of this thread, after all that's been said and after you've already expressed your feelings about Apple and made plenty of sarcastic remarks? Yes I do take it as such. 
 
Just because YOU feel entitled to make one derogatory remark after the other and to keep on going doesn't mean that it's welcome and appropriate forever. I can handle poking - as long as the person on the poking end can figure out when it starts becoming annoying. 
 
Speaking of projection, how about trying to imply that the issue is with the people on the receiving end, the people you constantly make derogatory remarks about, even "jokingly"? Not only you can't figure out that a joke is getting old but you actually imply that the issue is with the audience? Talk about narcissistic issues man...
 
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I guess what annoys me the most is that I'm always expecting that at the end of the day, in spite of all arguments, things will settle down. I assume there's some kind of inherent good will on everyone's part, you know... You made your point, I made mine, we don't agree but it's ok. 
 
That's usually when people w/ any trace of social skills will give the sarcasm a break. I mean, don't you feel that sort of thing at some point in a discussion? Didn't you have the slightest clue that your remark did nothing but to act as yet another insult?
 
 




What? - you don't feel that your remarks projecting attitudes upon other aren't insulting? I mean, you take a sarcastic snippet and turn it into flaming volcano. This isn't the first time you've complained about someone's rhetorical tactics and then proceeded use those very same methods yourself. Think about - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 16:42:15 (permalink)
 
Apples are good.
 
Very good in fact.
 
But I prefer a juicy pear.
 
 

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 17:10:29 (permalink)
There's a real apple inside every Apple computer
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 17:13:51 (permalink)
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What? - you don't feel that your remarks projecting attitudes upon other aren't insulting? I mean, you take a sarcastic snippet and turn it into flaming volcano. This isn't the first time you've complained about someone's rhetorical tactics and then proceeded use those very same methods yourself. Think about - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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Frankly, I was already passed the point where I felt that the only answer to your sarcasm was to insult you. Way passed. After a couple of such remarks, what else could one answer, when you feel the need to go on and on and on? The stereotypical view of Apple users is just that - stereotypical. Everyone and their brother knows that. Can't you give it a break and just join the conversation at some point?
 
You've pointed out the fact that generalities were useful and I agree. But after a couple of pokes, I fail to see the purpose of constantly bringing that back on the floor as you do. The Apple users that you insist on poking are not here, your sarcasm benefits no Windows user either - you can take and try to enjoy the conversation, can't you?
 
Lastly I didn't start this thread, and I merely stated reasons why I and certain others thought Apple was simpler to use and a valid platform. 
 
Anyway, keep on accusing me of accusing you of accusing me. I'm done with the non sense.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 17:17:51 (permalink)
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Is n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?


sorting through all the various mpeg formats (both audio and video) is daunting and confusing at times.  mp3's get converted to mp4 files when placed in itunes. 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 17:34:17 (permalink)
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 The stereotypical view of Apple users is just that - stereotypical.




Yeah, yeah.........that's what they all say ;)
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 17:42:22 (permalink)
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SuperG
 



What? - you don't feel that your remarks projecting attitudes upon other aren't insulting? I mean, you take a sarcastic snippet and turn it into flaming volcano. This isn't the first time you've complained about someone's rhetorical tactics and then proceeded use those very same methods yourself. Think about - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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  • Never start a 'Apple is great thread' on a Windows forum and not expect gainsay.




Frankly, I was already passed the point where I felt that the only answer to your sarcasm was to insult you. Way passed. After a couple of such remarks, what else could one answer, when you feel the need to go on and on and on? The stereotypical view of Apple users is just that - stereotypical. Everyone and their brother knows that. Can't you give it a break and just join the conversation at some point?
 
You've pointed out the fact that generalities were useful and I agree. But after a couple of pokes, I fail to see the purpose of constantly bringing that back on the floor as you do. The Apple users that you insist on poking are not here, your sarcasm benefits no Windows user either - you can take and try to enjoy the conversation, can't you?
 
Lastly I didn't start this thread, and I merely stated reasons why I and certain others thought Apple was simpler to use and a valid platform. 
 
Anyway, keep on accusing me of accusing you of accusing me. I'm done with the non sense.




Well and good, although I do think you were a bit rash in even bring that subject up. Also, as I said, most folks don't take general remarks personally, and I would suggest that you do not make assumptions about another's character, unless you are willing to have them made about yours - it's not non-sense at all.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 18:19:30 (permalink)
Rain, I have never seriously considered a Mac until someone I respect said good things about it. That would be you. I went to the internets and looked at configuring an iMac and quickly topped 5K, I probably put more in the configuration than I needed but dang... I want to feel like I am getting at least near the TOTL when I buy a computer. I'm sure they are good machines and one day I may find out. The video about the son to come iMac Pro is really interesting but I am sure it would completely blow my budget, sure looks good though.
 
If you like it and it works for you... it is legit? It makes me interested...
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:07:43 (permalink)
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I loved my Vic-20 and c-64.  My first experience with assembly language was on the vic-20


And mine on the C64. Didn't even have an assembler, used to write them out on paper, convert to hex then decimal and load the instructions via POKE statements. Talk about dedicated!

 
I had forgotten all about that.  I wrote a lotto numbers picking program completely with Poke commands on a Timex Sinclair 1000, WAY back in the 80's, if memory fragments serve.  After it picked the numbers, it would flash "Baby needs new shoes!" over and over.
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:08:22 (permalink)
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Well and good, although I do think you were a bit rash in even bring that subject up. Also, as I said, most folks don't take general remarks personally, and I would suggest that you do not make assumptions about another's character, unless you are willing to have them made about yours - it's not non-sense at all.


Ya, how dare you mention Apple around here. The nerve! Unless you want childish name calling and such.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:12:38 (permalink)
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MakeShiftIs n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?

sorting through all the various mpeg formats (both audio and video) is daunting and confusing at times.  mp3's get converted to mp4 files when placed in itunes. 


I don't think so. It may depend on your import setting maybe? All my stuff is regular mp3 in iTunes.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:16:40 (permalink)
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I've moved to Cubase 7. One of the best moves I've ever made. But I still visit this forum. Why? A mixture of nostalgia and curiosity. I've been a Cakewalk user since the previous century.


Ditto - word for word!



 
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:19:46 (permalink)
i miss the poke command
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 19:44:36 (permalink)
POKE 53280,x : C64 screen border color
POKE 53281,x : C64 screen background color

Funny how you remember such trivia after 30 years.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/24 21:19:19 (permalink)
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Well and good, although I do think you were a bit rash in even bring that subject up. Also, as I said, most folks don't take general remarks personally, and I would suggest that you do not make assumptions about another's character, unless you are willing to have them made about yours - it's not non-sense at all.


Ya, how dare you mention Apple around here. The nerve! Unless you want childish name calling and such.



Heh, it's not a mention of Apple as much as it's the obligatory disdain and dismissal of Windows System that nearly always accompanies such posts. Such comments are quite worthy of rebuttal.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 00:12:43 (permalink)
Shatke..I now must search ebay for a c64
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 00:19:52 (permalink)
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Well and good, although I do think you were a bit rash in even bring that subject up. Also, as I said, most folks don't take general remarks personally, and I would suggest that you do not make assumptions about another's character, unless you are willing to have them made about yours - it's not non-sense at all.


Ya, how dare you mention Apple around here. The nerve! Unless you want childish name calling and such.



Heh, it's not a mention of Apple as much as it's the obligatory disdain and dismissal of Windows System that nearly always accompanies such posts. Such comments are quite worthy of rebuttal.




You know, I am getting sick and tired of all this PC vs Apple stuff.
 
They both have their weaknesses and their strengths.
 
Honestly, we have some really powerful platforms here that can do way more than some of the things we used even 7 years ago.
 
I just wish both sides would just grow up and stop b***tching at each other here...
 
Sheesh.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 00:50:03 (permalink)
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I've moved to Cubase 7. One of the best moves I've ever made. But I still visit this forum. Why? A mixture of nostalgia and curiosity. I've been a Cakewalk user since the previous century.


Ditto - word for word!



Ditto 3 . . . . I was always a watcher out here and did not participate much anyway (I mean look at my post count)! 
 
My deciding factor to go Cubase was when I ran a Demo of Cubase 6.5 and did VST expression.  I was hooked.  I then ran a demo of Ableton live and put together 3 songs in 4 hours using Ableton then rewired it back into Cubase for mix down.  And I have been a Cakewalk users since the 12 tone days.  I still have the 3 1/2 inch disks with Greg Hendershott's name on them.  I believe it was Cakewalk 2.0 . . . . .
 
It has also made it easier with my client base.  All of my clients use Cubase/Pro Tools/Logic/Ableton.   I was always the black sheep with Sonar and Reaper and it always took me a bit longer to get tracks set swapping files back and forth.  I could not just send the project file.  I had to export it to wave, or go through this painful task of exporting midi, saving fxp and fxb settings, etc.  Now I have 3 of the 4 DAWs so it makes it easier to bounce Projects back and forth.  It was about the workflow.
 
I did a lot of things in the past year I said I would not do.  I sold all of my UAD last year and went native when I realized I did a project using no UAD plugs and it did not nuke my PC like I thought it would (the project barely got to 40 percent CPU use).  Even more was the fact the it sounded just as good native as it did with the UAD plugs.  And I was the biggest UAD fanboi ever.  You're talking 8 UAD2 quads between 2 workstations and every single plugin.  Luckily my timing was good because no Sonar version nor Cubase 7 are qualified hosts for UAD now (even though I know people are using UAD2 with Sonar).  But I can now move projects back and forth between collaborators without worry about the person on the other end not having UAD, and that was more important than the DSP.  And Waves plugins are no pushovers (even though they get a bad rap in forums).  But again, it was about speed and workflow.
 
I went back to hardware after I said I would stay totally in the box.   I got hardware Analog synths, got outboard for Mix bus compression and mastering, and got analog summing.  Now mind you I still do the bulk of the work in the box (for collaboration and recall), but using hardware synths did not slow down my workflow since Ableton's Max for Live and Soundtower had editors that would allow me to use my hardware like plugins, and the hardware has made my mixes stand out in a overrun sea of ITB dance mixes.
 
Things can and do change.  But I still lurk around both this forum and UAD more for curiosity, and because I miss it.
 
I guess my point is it' all about your workflow.  Use what works for you.  PC, Mac, Sonar, Logic, UAD, Waves, Soft Synth, Hardware Synth, Iphone, Galaxy, Izod . . . who cares!  Does it work for you?  Do you get what you want out of it?  If so, then keep writing great tracks.  After all, it's all about the music . . .
 
Enjoy everyone.  That's probably the longest post I have ever done out here!
 

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 01:36:07 (permalink)
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Shatke..I now must search ebay for a c64



There are some good C64 emulators for Windows available...you can play all of your most awesomest games from your youth and realize how utterly crap they were...

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 02:05:05 (permalink)
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 There are third party software that will transfer items to an apple device...but every now and then Apple releases and "update that totally hoses that software.   The bottom line is one should not have to convert an mp3.  And yes, apple products convert all mp3s even if it seems seamless. You will not find an mp3 on an ipod or ipad library


Er, whilst not wanting to hijack this thread, on my i pad i have nothing but non converted mp3 files.

You are wrong in your last statement.

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 07:49:45 (permalink)
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Is n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?




mp3 is part of the the audio layer, a.k.a. Layer 3, of the original MPEG codec which started as MPEG(1) but didn't get accepted as *standard* until it was refered to as MPEGII.
 
Frauenhofer developed what we call mp3 for squeezing more communications into available bandwidth. It was nominated for use in MPEG but before MPEG became ubiquitous some people had realized that what we now call the mp3 codecs could be used to share music and the free market just exploded as people used stolen mp3 codecs to create a new paradigm. 
 
 
MPEGII is a standard that is now used everyday for world wide network television distribution. It may be replaced by MPEG4 as Hi-Def distribution becomes the norm or it may be replaced by something even newer if consumers end up demanding 4k before the HD networks are 100% built out.
 
It is correct to say that mp3 is a MPEG file but only some MPEG files use mp3 audio. 
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 08:12:26 (permalink)
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i miss the poke command




My last box supported Poke for awhile, but I guess it got deprecated at some point.  Her name was Lidia and we got divorced.  (apologies - I couldn't help it)
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 08:26:00 (permalink)
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MakeShift
Is n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?


sorting through all the various mpeg formats (both audio and video) is daunting and confusing at times.  mp3's get converted to mp4 files when placed in itunes. 


Not true. I use Lame to create my MP3's from FLAC files and import them into iTunes. They are not converted at all.
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 08:33:50 (permalink)
MakeShift
Is n't an MPEG file an MP3?  My iTunes shows that I have numerous MPEG files mixed in with the AAC files.  I'm not really up on this, maybe they have been modified in some way, but I thought the MPEG's were just MP3's?


An MPEG generally refers to a video file with the MPG extension much like photographs with the JPG extension are called JPEGs. I've never heard of an MP3 or MP4 file referred to as an MPEG. 

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 08:45:34 (permalink)
 
Motion Picture Experts Group.
 
It's been around a long time.
 
I think it's just a little less time than the Joint Photographers Expert Group has been around, but I am open to correction should someone want to go look it up.
 
:-)


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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 08:50:26 (permalink)
robert_e_bone
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i miss the poke command




My last box supported Poke for awhile, but I guess it got deprecated at some point.  Her name was Lidia and we got divorced.  (apologies - I couldn't help it)
 
Bob Bone




Is this part of being bad, err, bad to the bone?   
 
 
 
(+1 on the apologies.   This thread is all over the place anyway)

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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 09:02:06 (permalink)
The choice between type of computer and software is something
that always seem to me to be changing so fast and with neither lasting
for long that the less I had to invest the better. PC's just seemed to be
the cost saving choice.
 
That has seem to hold true for me to date. I could learn and try to keep up with the changes
while keeping a handle on the expense.
 
My goal was to hopefully have the hardware and software reach a level of performance
that would complete the "tool" that I could create audio recordings as I would enjoy doing.
 
I was completely stoked when Cakewalk released X1. I really thought that all the "tools"
that I ever wanted - I would have.
A few bumps due to computer and software issues and I realized it still wasn't happening but
getting very close. Being at the end of my rope trying I also felt and feel that it better or I will
have to break from it....it's been a long troubled filled trip.
 
I know everything will keep changing but at least I may be able to spend a handful of years
enjoying the process of making music rather than building a DAW. That's something that just
hasn't happened in all the years I've been trying. I do believe that Cake is in the process of making
it happen. I hope the computer I chose to work with it- will.
 
The choices made for reaching the goal ?  They were based on my best guess and with the knowledge that had at any given time. Maybe there was a time when switching everything to something completely different would have been best...I don't think so. I still think that a PC and Cakewalk will be a winning combination for me but at the state digital hardware and software has reached I think there will be more very cool combinations for folks to choose from that will perform very well...finally...of course I've been wrong many times before about what I thought may happen.
 
 
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Re: No X2b = No $$$ for Cake and off to another sequencer! 2013/07/25 09:10:01 (permalink)
trimph1
 
You know, I am getting sick and tired of all this PC vs Apple stuff.
 
They both have their weaknesses and their strengths.
 
Honestly, we have some really powerful platforms here that can do way more than some of the things we used even 7 years ago.
 
I just wish both sides would just grow up and stop b***tching at each other here...
 
Sheesh.




I agree but unfortunately this war of words has been going on for years.

The reason people say the vinyl sounds better is because the music was better.
 
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