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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 02:52:31
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Don't forget the Student and Education price.
It is half.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 04:31:37
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Pro Tools was lacking a main feature: Fast Bounce. they fixed that in PT11...
Sonar is lacking a major edit feature: duplicate time
You can simulate it with: 1.Copy 2.click after the selection 3. Paste 4.click on "Slide over to make room" 5.Click ok
So 5 steps in Sonar, 1 step in PT : Ctrl-D...
This feature is so useful, I use it all the time in PT and Live. Can't wait to see it in Sonar.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 04:48:59
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PT has also got clip gain. (so does Studio One) This is the most amazing feature ever. Once you have used this you will never want to do without it. It cuts down on automation a lot and I mean a lot.
PT is not years behind any DAW as some here think. In regards to clip gain it is a few years ahead in fact. As a teacher I have done three PT Avid courses and I found out a LOT about what PT can do. I almost switched but it is still too expensive. You still need to spend a further $700 to get the Production Tool Kit to make it worthwhile.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 04:50:47
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 04:59:30
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Thanks for that I have been wondering about that. But how do you change it though in Sonar. Is it as easy as just grabbing something and moving it up and down as it is in PT and Studio One. I could not find much about it in the Sonar manual.
OK just checked and yes it can be done but it still takes more steps to do it though. It is faster in PT and Studio One.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 05:06:16
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 07:38:48
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OK just checked and yes it can be done but it still takes more steps to do it though. It is faster in PT and Studio One. Just Shift+Click on the envelope. No more steps than that.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 07:50:07
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1. Select any audio track in X2
2. Change the view from CLIPS to Automation
3. Select Volume
4. hilite a region on the clip
5. Rest you mouse at the top of the clip, you'll see it change shape
6. Pull the volume of the clip up or down in that region....done
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 09:58:52
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6 steps to get there. In PT or Studio One: 1 Move mouse to the little slider (in PT) at the bottom left of the clip or in Studio One to the little square at the top middle of the clip, hold down left mouse button and move up or down. Done. Waveform instantly changes height and clip volume is changed. One step I wonder how many Sonar users are changing clip gain compared to PT or Studio One users. Not as many I would imagine. Might be too much fiddling to change the volume of a clip. (emwhy approach that is) Except that stevec's approach certainly sounds easier to me. But in PT or Studio One you don't have to involve the clip envelope at all. It remains separate. No need to even show automation. You end up using less automation because it is so easy to break any clip into smaller clips and alter the clip gains of those smaller parts so easily. It saves a lot of time in mixing because you can do a lot by eye, just matching waveforms etc,.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 10:55:47
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 10:57:22
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As it happens, there's definitely a one step way of creating clip gain envelopes, because I keep doing it by accident. Unfortunately, I've no idea how to do it on purpose.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 11:32:38
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Jeff Evans
PT has also got clip gain. (so does Studio One) This is the most amazing feature ever. Once you have used this you will never want to do without it. It cuts down on automation a lot and I mean a lot.
PT is not years behind any DAW as some here think. In regards to clip gain it is a few years ahead in fact. As a teacher I have done three PT Avid courses and I found out a LOT about what PT can do. I almost switched but it is still too expensive. You still need to spend a further $700 to get the Production Tool Kit to make it worthwhile.
If you're a teacher, then why not pick up the educational version? It's only $300. Actually, another cool feature with PT 10 is the click track (in a dedicated track of its own).
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 11:38:50
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Sonar also has a per clip effects bin. PT does not. Of course PT has very good DAW notation and Sonar does not.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 11:43:39
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 11:53:33
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this horse was beaten to death so long ago there is only dust left.
is it just me?... I really dont care about PT, or how it compares to Sonar.
for my $0.02c, if you have PT and like it, great!.. if you have PT and even dont like it , but use it to make money, then thats great!..
But if you dont have it or dont want it...or for some reason have decided you dont like it.. why bother commenting here?... go post in the Avid forum.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 11:54:05
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I hope we get a CA-2A ported to AAX as a content club freebie.
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dan le
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 12:38:12
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And what about regions?
I have heard from GS that a lot of big guys love that feature. You can create and keeps writing, and in the end just use regions to choose which part the song ends up with.
Jeff, maybe you can tell us how this works.
But as PT is 64 bit and Fast Bounce is finally here, I will get it under the education discount.
I will be ready when asked if I use Pro Tools by clients.
I will keep both systems on my computer.
sincerely.
dan
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 12:51:10
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Mystic38
is it just me?... I really dont care about PT, or how it compares to Sonar.
It's you. But if you dont have it
That's you. or dont want it...
You again. or for some reason have decided you dont like it..
Assuming once again, probably you. why bother commenting here?
I have to ask you the same question. I like these comparison threads because it informs me of feature sets I don't know about, in both DAWs. It also keeps Roland on their toes about what people like and want in future versions of Sonar. Some people here like and use both, not necessarily a which is better conversation but what others find useful from both.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 13:09:14
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Middleman
Mystic38
is it just me?... I really dont care about PT, or how it compares to Sonar.
It's you.
But if you dont have it
That's you.
or dont want it...
You again.
or for some reason have decided you dont like it..
Assuming once again, probably you.
why bother commenting here?
I have to ask you the same question.
I like these comparison threads because it informs me of feature sets I don't know about, in both DAWs. It also keeps Roland on their toes about what people like and want in future versions of Sonar. Some people here like and use both, not necessarily a which is better conversation but what others find useful from both.
charming response, but i shall not lower to respond in kind and simply suggest you focus on your own opinions and leave others to have theirs.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 13:11:40
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Last 3 versions and the new one, they have been playing catch up BIG time
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 13:12:12
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Mystic38
charming response, but i shall not lower to respond in kind and simply suggest you focus on your own opinions and leave others to have theirs.
Thank you. Hope you will do the same.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 16:24:32
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Hi guys, In Sonar, like ProTools or Studio One, 1 step is necessary to clip-gain : press and hold CTRL anywhere on the audio clip, just a left click and that's all ;)
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 17:14:38
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I'M learning so many new things from this discussion. Like it "Control and left click lovely lovely."
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 17:17:23
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fitzj
I'M learning so many new things from this discussion. Like it "Control and left click lovely lovely."
And me. Never knew that one before
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 18:13:20
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" Hi guys, In Sonar, like ProTools or Studio One, 1 step is necessary to clip-gain : press and hold CTRL anywhere on the audio clip, just a left click and that's all ;)"
Didnt know that!
Ive wanted this forever!
WOOT!
Is there one for the pan envelope too?
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 18:30:27
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iTiDav
Hi guys, In Sonar, like ProTools or Studio One, 1 step is necessary to clip-gain : press and hold CTRL anywhere on the audio clip, just a left click and that's all ;)
nice one, thanks for posting
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 18:55:31
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Bristol_Jonesey
fitzj
I'M learning so many new things from this discussion. Like it "Control and left click lovely lovely."
And me. Never knew that one before
I still don't know that trick!
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 19:27:35
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melvin22
....but a powerhouse PC with Cakewalk, the right gear and top end interfaces could deliver the same mix or better, really depending on the skills of the engineer.
This is another point where most other DAWs do not even enter the market. When you're talking about an engineer on the high end, you're talking about someone who will throw a fit & walk out on you if your system is not working. He'll take his project to another facility with a system that works. 9 times out of 10, he doesn't own the gear, his client, his work, and his income is not tied to the studio. He's not going to call tech support so someone on the other side of the country can tell him what he needs to do to get back on line. This doesn't mean that Sonar is an inferior product, just that Sonar is supported differently. There are people willing to pay for someone to maintain & support their system & guarantee a particular amount of reliability.
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 22:49:27
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Re:Ok - Pro Tools 11 vs Sonar
2013/04/12 23:27:43
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