rmfegley
So how will one verify ownership of a Sonar license for the Studio One crossgrade price? I am unable to find any original emails of purchase confirmation and the confirmations available on my Cakewalk account page all link to the Cakewalk store, which is now defunct and redirects all requests to a posting of Noel Borthwick's announcement of Cakewalk's closure. All I have currently are my serials and purchase dates, and my most recent billing statement (I'm on a monthly billing plan but have made the requisite 12 payments required to own a full license).

 
while I am not absolutely sure, but after reading Cubase's crossgrade rules, I would make a screenshot/print to pdf copy of your Cakewalk Product page, and your Cakewalk Store activity page.  These include  your special serial numbers and your purchase dates.  That would seem to be sufficient to turn in for a crossgrade deal.  

azslow3
 
Thanks, so I have asked that way: http://answers.presonus.com/22537/control-surface-api-for-s1
I have used only forums before, ignored the bakery. So I have not noticed that Presonus also has several options to ask questions (they could mentioned that in the "why I can not post there", but they mention "Pre-sales" only).

Nice one Alexey,
 
I know that it wasn't easy to find that option.
 
cheers
 
andy

denverdrummer

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denverdrummer
 
 Simple things like double clicking to reset pan/vol controls, don't exist in Studio One.  Heck even Bitwig has that and it's been around for less time that Studio One.

 
You obviously haven't learnt how to use it then, in your example above it's 'ctrl click', job done in one fluid motion as apposed to SONARs 2
 
Just because you don't know how to use something properly, doesn't mean you should just go making things up.
 
I've always been able to do things way quicker in Studio One than I ever could in SONAR, even not long after I started using it 3 years ago, after having been using Cakewalk stuff since Pro Audio 9.
 
Studio One is just way more intuitive, with way better workflow.

It's a matter of preference, but I disagree it's more intuitive. 
 
Have you tried creating tempo maps to existing audio recordings?  Sonar I could just map the transients to the beat and the tempo would follow along.  In studio one you have to insert new tempos and drag the tempo and eyeball it to match.
 
Sonar was one of the fastest DAWs for getting things done, click drag for quick grouping, yes you can use shift click, but in Sonar it was way easier.
 
Also Studio One's Metronome is very primitive.  In Sonar I had dozens of choices of how to set the click to.  Studio One you have a very limited amount.
 
The only think I really prefer about Studio One is the way it handled busing and the basic layout, and that the faders have a dynamic throw depending on how large you adjust the mix window.  This is very useful if you're working on a laptop.
 
Midi is a complete joke in Studio One and is the main reason I haven't used it as my main DAW.  The built in synths pretty much suck, Cake TTS is a better synth than anything included in Studio One.
 
The main reason I use studio one is the project page, if you're mixing and mastering an album.  That's probably it's coolest feature.  Very easy to use and very intuitive.

Listening to anything you have to say is pointless. You just made up crap about a very basic feature that you said didn't exist, couldn't be done in Studio One, you were wrong on this VERY basic thing, you obviously haven't learned and don't know how to use Studio One. You are just speaking out your arse, To me your opinion means naught because of that.

Well, I jumped in before I knew about an upcoming cross-grade offer.  The Black Friday deal was already pretty sweet and through JRRShop.com there was an additional group-buy discount, making the full license US$169.98.  So I'm pretty happy.  If other existing Sonar users end up with a better deal, I wont be upset, I'll be happy for my fellow Sonar users.

denverdrummer
 
Said, blah blah blah . . . I'm a fanboi

'nouhg said.
 
SONAR is dead, it will live for a while long, but it is terminal, Medication has been cut,the doctor is no longer on call, it is just a matter of time, how long? no one knows for sure, those are the facts.
 
People have a couple of choices, they can stay with SONAR until it's final breath leaves, or they can move to another platform. IF they choose the latter, they should demo products for themselves, to find out forthemselves, it is theONLYway they will find out for themselves whether or not product 'x' will suit their needs.
 
Listening to someone who clearly hasn't got a clue (made obvious by the fact that they didn't even know something so basic) who makes untrue statements is of no help to anyone.
 
People have choices, either stay with a program that is on life support and will die at any time in the future, or find an alternative, the choice is theirs, making untrue claims about something you obviously don't have a clue about is not helpful to this decision.
 
Over and out.
 
[edit] I have no loyalty to any Company or any piece of software, couldn't care less who makes it or what it's called. I will choose what in my opinion is the best for me, what best suits my needs, if at anytime in the futer something comes along that I  think is better, I'm gone, I have no foolish emotional connection to companies or software, I couldn't care less, I will just use what I think is best for me

Been testing the trial over the last day.  Things I like a LOT are:
 
Decent Mackie implementation, important since I've bonded with my MCU Pro.
GREAT Melodyne integration (CTL-M loads any audio track).  Not just with Essentials, as bundled.  Have upgraded to Studio and it works the same way.  So cool.
Nice comping feel (still getting to know it).  This is important since...
 
I DO really love Sonar's speed comping. 
 
Never use Sonar instruments, effect, Pro Channel, MIDI, loops, or a lot of other perfectly nice stuff that comes with Sonar in my workflow. 
 
Oh, and I've been using Cakewalk products since Greg was (probably) selling the DOS version on 5-1/4" floppies out of his garage.  Those were the days.  Sigh...
 
S1 so far looks like a decent option for the record/edit/mix stuff I do.  Know Sonar is likely to last for some time, but I'll start to migrate sooner than later.

To answer your questions:
 
yes - Edit freely (e.g. not bound to fixed note lengths or grid snap)
no - Display/edit multiple tracks at once
Yes - Float the PRV window
Yes - Mute/solo tracks from the PRV
Yes - Easily enter/edit CC values by hand
Yes - Route multiple MIDI tracks to one instrument
Yes - Route MIDI to external devices
Yes - Overdub MIDI recording
Yes - Mute individual notes
Yes - Set precise note values
Yes - Edit/insert individual MIDI events
Yes - Scale and copy/paste MIDI notes and automation
 
You can do tempo mapping within SO, but it is probably better to use Melodyne and with the ARA integration it is the better path. See:
https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=15319
 
Many of the features you list are accessed via a right mouse click from the Editor view (F2 key). You mentioned in another post about confusion between similar items in different DAWs - this may be one. If you double click a track's content, the Editor window will open - if that track is audio, you will see the waveform in the Editor window, if the track is an instrument, you will see the piano roll in the Editor (there is no dedicated piano roll view)
 
Hope that is a bit clearer than mud :-) - I am am not a power MIDI user so other that are will probably chime in.
 
Take care,
 
h

vladasyn
I was just talking with Sweetwater sale person and he told me that Cubase supports rewire. Also there is crossgrade version https://www.sweetwater.co.store/detail/CubaseP95CG

We'll, I hope it goes lower, but with this....Chase is worth looking at for me.

peter434
Hello to everybody
The announcement from Presonus is cool, but why waiting after the Black Friday period if the price could be superior than the offer of third authorized dealers with a good additional discount : Around 169 $ ???. Any idea of a cost estimation ?
And secondly, I have Sonar X3. Do you think that I could pretend to the crossgrade price which could be exclusive to the Sonar Platinium version ?
 
Thanks for your attention.

If you want Studio One, I'd buy it now for $169. They might not honor a crossgrade from anything other than the latest SONAR (but they haven't told us yet), and the price might be the same (or not as good) on the crossgrade (but we don't know that at this time), plus you might have to jump through hoops "proving" you're a legitimate SONAR owner before you can get the crossgrade deal (still have your receipt for X3?). They must know how much they want to charge for the crossgrade -- even if it is a holiday weekend in the U.S. -- so I'm not sure why they're holding out crucial information on pricing until it's too late to get the Black Friday deal, but that seems to be what they're doing.

I have gone for Studio One 3 because it has been recommend by a few friends.

doncolga

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denverdrummer
 
 Simple things like double clicking to reset pan/vol controls, don't exist in Studio One.  Heck even Bitwig has that and it's been around for less time that Studio One.

 
You obviously haven't learnt how to use it then, in your example above it's 'ctrl click', job done in one fluid motion as apposed to SONARs 2
 
Just because you don't know how to use something properly, doesn't mean you should just go making things up.
 
I've always been able to do things way quicker in Studio One than I ever could in SONAR, even not long after I started using it 3 years ago, after having been using Cakewalk stuff since Pro Audio 9.
 
Studio One is just way more intuitive, with way better workflow.

Agreed and same with me.  Once I spent a little time with some very quick tutorial videos on S1, the workflow is way faster for me than in Sonar.  I also find track organization and management much better in S1.

I'm still undecided about my future DAW but the track management in Studio One looks really good.
 
Right click on a BUS and it will tell you what tracks are routed to that BUS. Click on the track in the list and it takes you straight to the track in the console. Neat.
 
I found this by accident - been on a frenzy of right-clicking ALT/Ctrl/Shift click etc

(Well you know what? I'm sticking with SPlat. It's working perfectly for me, and I see no reason to move to another DAW)

I agree with all your points but there is one issue. Windows does an update and Sonar stops working. That's my only concern. One can avoid Windows updates but you make it less safe. Run a version on a PC off the Internet, yeah, but it's very complicated when you have to port things from one platform to the next. Honestly if there are any fans of Sonar who can code and get their hands on the software nuts and bolts (should it never be acquired, or continue in a bare bones crew supported version) maybe they can do the simplest most important thing. That is make the current version work indefinitely as Windows continues to evolve. I don't know too much about that side of the the world of software coding, but that could be a possibility.

$165 at JRR shop for outright purchase.  I'd be surprised if anything was lower than that, but who knows...maybe the discounters will be able to discount the crossgrade.  Personally I went ahead and purchased as the price seemed fine to me.  Grabbed a faderport 8 at the same time, and excited about both.  Haven't been off S1 almost the entire weekend now and having no issues.  Melodyne seems to integrate much better.  Chomping for the physical delivery of the faderport.
BTW... $504 for both at JRR NOW.