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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 20:59:18
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Oh, silly me, forgot there is an "impulse" cab loader. There goes fizzy bye-bye :D Now, I just gotta get some more IR's!
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:01:56
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chrisharbin Oh, silly me, forgot there is an "impulse" cab loader. There goes fizzy bye-bye :D Now, I just gotta get some more IR's! There's a good example Beep, if you could interpret that for me, I'd very much appreciate it.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:04:18
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Awesome, Randy. I'm humbled. I've always liked chatting with you. You seem like a really nice guy. As far as the Cake forum goes I've had a mostly positive experience here. It's one of the best parts of owning this software IMO. I mean sure I've learned lots about Sonar itself but audio in general as well. Very very cool.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:09:09
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@Randy... In the "cabinet" part of TH2 (just click on the graphical cabinet and a bunch of menus come up) you can do all sorts of crazy stuff with the mics AND load something called Impulse Response settings or IR's for short. It's like Perfect Space. You know how you can load rooms and stuff in PS? It's pretty much the same thing. Very very cool. There are minimal IR's in the Sonar version of TH2 but you can snag them from elsewher and load your own. Some ridiculously smart guys even MAKE their own. lol... I ain't that smart. ;-)
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:10:09
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Beepster Awesome, Randy. I'm humbled. I've always liked chatting with you. You seem like a really nice guy. As far as the Cake forum goes I've had a mostly positive experience here. It's one of the best parts of owning this software IMO. I mean sure I've learned lots about Sonar itself but audio in general as well. Very very cool. Yeah, I think for me you've been that guy in class that asked the question that the rest of the class really wanted to know but was too embarrassed to ask...that said it was obvious at 1st that you were a bit of a newb ...but in a very short time you've become quite adept with this software.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:12:32
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Thanks, Randy. I've certainly been trying. I feel bad bugging you guys so much but maybe all my silly n00b threads will help out some other silly n00bs.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:17:51
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Beepster Thanks, Randy. I've certainly been trying. I feel bad bugging you guys so much but maybe all my silly n00b threads will help out some other silly n00bs. Well I'll quit embarrassing you now but I gotta say you've helped this "n00b" a lot (and I've been a cakewalker since Pro Audio 9)
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:27:09
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Heh... I guess should have phrased that better. This has been a nice break from the pads. :-)
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chrisharbin
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 21:46:06
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Anyone else having a terrible time getting the cabinet controls to show? I have to randomly click about 5 times before it finally comes up.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 22:11:55
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Double left click anywhere on the cab - speakers , cab front, the little TH2 thing ...not on the mic(s), though
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/03 22:26:26
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SvenArne The included THD amp model does "crunch with clarity" better than most REAL tube amps I've tried! I don't think I would go that far,though it is good for a sim,but my Marshall 2203 with 25w celestions,has all the clarity[with tube distortion] I could ever want,but what impresses me is X2 in general,since the "quick fix" everything has been so flawless it's almost scary! Bob
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chrisharbin
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 00:06:08
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@Jeff: That isn't working unless I click a bunch of times. Mousing is fiddly at best as well, but if it's not happening to others, I'll concentrate on my end.
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Jeff M.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 00:29:27
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@chris - that's weird. I checked in standalone and within X2 both versions - lite & upgraded - all open up the mics/cab selection stuff with a double click. Anyone else having trouble opening up the cab controls?
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 00:55:57
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☄ Helpfulby tagruvto 2014/07/18 10:03:55
Regarding the de-essing thing, I wrote as column about it in my March 2012 "Recording Guitarist" column in Guitar Player magazine, but it doesn't seem that article has been posted online. Here's the article's introduction, which should give you an idea of what I'm talking about...I use the VC-64 de-esser to do the job. As with any kind of distortion, you should avoid feeding too much treble into an amp sim set for a distorted sound—distorting high frequencies can lead to a harsh, brittle timbre. Although you can pull back on your guitar’s tone control to reduce highs, the tradeoff is often a more muffled sound. Fortunately, “de-esser” processors provide an “intelligent” way to reduce the highs going into an amp sim. A de-esser’s main purpose is to reduce vocal sibilants (“s” sounds) by compressing only high frequencies, thus lowering the level of sibilants while leaving the rest of the vocal untouched. When placed between a guitar and amp sim, it reduces high frequencies from your axe when they’re prominent, but otherwise doesn’t affect your signal. As a bonus, the compression adds a little additional smoothness and sustain.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 00:59:59
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FWIW - I love using amp sims. They take some work to get right, but then again, so does miking a guitar amp.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 01:00:30
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Jeff, I'm an IDIOT! I did NOT understand double click, I'm stupid, sorry, but THANKS for mentioning it! Now I know! :party: Please forgive the old man
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 09:17:58
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Hey all you guitar heads - In scanning down through this thread, I never once saw OverLoud mentioned! (Overloud.com) They are the ones who made Breverb and TH2. Two more simulations worth checking out are their SpringAge spring reverb and their Mark Studio 2 Markbass bass amp simulation. Like TH2, once you find their sweet spots, they are magic in the mix. Who knows... maybe they'll be included in X3... :j Cheers, MG -
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 09:49:17
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bobguitkillerleft SvenArne The included THD amp model does "crunch with clarity" better than most REAL tube amps I've tried! I don't think I would go that far,though it is good for a sim,but my Marshall 2203 with 25w celestions,has all the clarity[with tube distortion] I could ever want,but what impresses me is X2 in general,since the "quick fix" everything has been so flawless it's almost scary! Bob A big part of it might be cause I suck at miking real amps (though I've done it a lot). I'm way better at tweaking amp sims! BTW, no one should compare playing through any amp sim to playing guitar with a real tube amp and speaker(s) in the room (not saying that you are, Bob). In the end, the amp only ever sounds as good as you can capture on tape with whatever mics and techniques you have available!
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 10:14:56
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SvenArne bobguitkillerleft SvenArne The included THD amp model does "crunch with clarity" better than most REAL tube amps I've tried! I don't think I would go that far,though it is good for a sim,but my Marshall 2203 with 25w celestions,has all the clarity[with tube distortion] I could ever want,but what impresses me is X2 in general,since the "quick fix" everything has been so flawless it's almost scary! Bob A big part of it might be cause I suck at miking real amps (though I've done it a lot). I'm way better at tweaking amp sims! BTW, no one should compare playing through any amp sim to playing guitar with a real tube amp and speaker(s) in the room (not saying that you are, Bob). In the end, the amp only ever sounds as good as you can capture on tape with whatever mics and techniques you have available! True,though I find "sims" pretty good for Rhythm,especially semi clean,but leads[especially with feedback-sustain]I find my ole 84 JCM is THE ticket. On my "soundcloud"experiments,the first tune"Alone" was ALL"N.I. GR5",with it set to "Early Edward"[minimal to no tweaking],and the 3rd song"DEBASSED 69",was a mix of "Amplitube 3/GR5" for ALL the Rhythm bits,with the Les Paul/Marshall for the Lead Lines,recorded with a"ah hem" Behringer XM1800S dynamic,off axis. Cheers Bob
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 10:46:01
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Anderton Regarding the de-essing thing, I wrote as column about it in my March 2012 "Recording Guitarist" column in Guitar Player magazine, but it doesn't seem that article has been posted online. Here's the article's introduction, which should give you an idea of what I'm talking about...I use the VC-64 de-esser to do the job. As with any kind of distortion, you should avoid feeding too much treble into an amp sim set for a distorted sound—distorting high frequencies can lead to a harsh, brittle timbre. Although you can pull back on your guitar’s tone control to reduce highs, the tradeoff is often a more muffled sound. Fortunately, “de-esser” processors provide an “intelligent” way to reduce the highs going into an amp sim. A de-esser’s main purpose is to reduce vocal sibilants (“s” sounds) by compressing only high frequencies, thus lowering the level of sibilants while leaving the rest of the vocal untouched. When placed between a guitar and amp sim, it reduces high frequencies from your axe when they’re prominent, but otherwise doesn’t affect your signal. As a bonus, the compression adds a little additional smoothness and sustain. Ah, ok. See what you mean there. Will definitely look into this. I'm curious how it affects guitars that are tuned really low. I am quite happy with the patches I have created my self in various amp-sims so I will try this on some factory patches. This will be interesting to experiment with Thanks for the info Craig - much appreciated!
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 10:52:58
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I think the X1 guitarrig 4 and the TH2 overloud Sonar edition together make a great selection of amps to choose from... I find current digital eq's perfect for notches. Wich really can reduce fizzyness... Just another way to do the same I suppose.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 13:52:44
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Anderton Regarding the de-essing thing, I wrote as column about it in my March 2012 "Recording Guitarist" column in Guitar Player magazine, but it doesn't seem that article has been posted online. Here's the article's introduction, which should give you an idea of what I'm talking about...I use the VC-64 de-esser to do the job. As with any kind of distortion, you should avoid feeding too much treble into an amp sim set for a distorted sound—distorting high frequencies can lead to a harsh, brittle timbre. Although you can pull back on your guitar’s tone control to reduce highs, the tradeoff is often a more muffled sound. Fortunately, “de-esser” processors provide an “intelligent” way to reduce the highs going into an amp sim. A de-esser’s main purpose is to reduce vocal sibilants (“s” sounds) by compressing only high frequencies, thus lowering the level of sibilants while leaving the rest of the vocal untouched. When placed between a guitar and amp sim, it reduces high frequencies from your axe when they’re prominent, but otherwise doesn’t affect your signal. As a bonus, the compression adds a little additional smoothness and sustain. Brilliant - thank you for the great suggestion.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 14:26:11
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Anderton FWIW - I love using amp sims. They take some work to get right, but then again, so does miking a guitar amp. +1 Since you mentioned miking a guitar amp..... I've found that when trying to dial in GR5 I get a big return on the time spent adjusting things in the Control Room module. Control Room is GR5's "miking the amp" module. I read and followed Mr. Anderton's post on using an equalizer to notch out the harmonic sizzle and then fiddled around in Control Room with mike selection, mixing and mike positioning relative to the cone and cabinet. Lesson learned: with GR5 I almost never rely on the "matching cabinet" that pops up as a default with any selected amp. I go to the Control Room and things sound much better.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 14:41:12
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Zenwit Lesson learned: with GR5 I almost never rely on the "matching cabinet" that pops up as a default with any selected amp. I go to the Control Room and things sound much better. You gotta use Control Room PRO, bro! That's the new shiny one! All the others (Cabinets & Mics, Matched Cabinet and Control Room) are different degrees of legacy crap! Control Room Pro really sounds so much better! NI should get around to removing the other options to avoid confusing and dissappointing new users! Sven
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 18:44:58
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SvenArne Zenwit Lesson learned: with GR5 I almost never rely on the "matching cabinet" that pops up as a default with any selected amp. I go to the Control Room and things sound much better. You gotta use Control Room PRO, bro! That's the new shiny one! All the others (Cabinets & Mics, Matched Cabinet and Control Room) are different degrees of legacy crap! Control Room Pro really sounds so much better! NI should get around to removing the other options to avoid confusing and dissappointing new users! Sven I'm 100% with you SvenArne. I should have been more clear in my post that I'm referring to the newer Pro version of Control Room. A real step forward from the older version. That said, for us old legacy users (GR3 here) NI has to leave the older versions in place so that when people upgrade their legacy projects don't crash due to the old "vst not found" honker that pops up if your old module has been removed. Norway is cool. They have a town called Hammerfest!
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 21:16:26
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To Mr. Anderton: What de-esser settings are you using on the VC-64 for guitar amp sims? Frequency and amount setting would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 21:38:02
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Hi guys, I just wanted to jump in here real quick and say thank you for all the information about TH2. I purchased the upgrade for the full version even before X2 was released, and am extremely happy with it. I don't play guitar, but it makes my RealGuitar, RealLPC, and RealStrat sound awesome! And thanks Beepster for the tip about double clicking on the cabinets. I didn't even know those controls were there! It was like finding an Easter Egg! :-) Guess I'll have to read the manual better. And finally, I've read a lot of good things about Mr. Anderton, where might I find some of his tutorials and/or writings?
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chrisharbin
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/04 21:54:28
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@GR5: yeah, CRP is very important for that. But, with recabinet it's even better :) I'm starting to get won over by TH2 though, I was surprised how good the presets I made yesterday sounded today. In conjunction with the gloss/eq it's not hard to get a good sound. Now......about the prochannel bug...........
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/05 10:50:26
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Zenwit They have a town called Hammerfest! And the name means basically the same thing in Norwegian as it does in English. Go figure!
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Re:Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW
2012/10/05 11:34:16
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I haven't even opened it yet. I've tried a load of other amp sims and they have all left me a bit cold and now cynical. Will definitely have to give this a go though based on some of the comments here.
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