Really, guys... TH2 Producer. Wow... just, WOW

I have heard that the full version of TH2 could be had for the cost of a cheap keyboard.

@scook... lol. I needed that thing though. It's gonna get some serious use and really was the last of the planned hardware purchases.

When the time is right please post this track, I am curious to hear.

Yea, a keyboard almost a necessity, I just could not help it. It is good news that TH2 Producer works for you. When I get around to X2 maybe I too can avoid the full upgrade. The year is in not over though.

@scook... If the cash is there it'll happen. Just being cautious with money again now so if the included version is working then the full one can wait. It might go on sale too so I don't want to repeat previous fumbles like what happened with GR. Oof.. that annoyed me.

@ProjectM... Yeah, man. Check it out. I'm shut down for the night but my chain was the yellow overdrive pedal, the Overloud Custom head set to Modern (and set crunchy distorted... I forget the settings) and I think the matched cab. Be sure to turn up the VariFire thingy or whatever it's called. That yanks out the awsomesauce sauce somehow. Cheers! :-)

Read the manual though because it is a weird program to operate. There are a few hidden screens that make a big difference... specifically the "Master" screen which pops up by clicking the Master button. Yeah I'll slag it for this... the interface kind of sucks... but I don't care what it looks like and it's pretty easy to figure out. Definitely read the manual.

 Thanks for the heads up Beepster, I have heard that the GUI isn't anything to brag about. If it sounds good I don't really care. From what I seen in the demos it looked pretty cool .

I am glad to hear it is working for you. I guess I need to read the manual thoroughly because it sounds like the same old high frequency shrill tones I get out of every other sim (apart from ABG).

I am also looking forward to any more details you can give on what you did to get it to sound so good.

I am just about to buy the upgrade and get the full version. What I've heard so far sounds pretty good.

I agree - it IS a decent amp sim (I bought the upgrade).
The stock amps are good, but I'm finding I use the non-Producer amps more often.
 
Going through the hundreds of presets is the typical nope, nope, nope, ahhh there that one!
Maybe not the patch per se, but the amp character is a keeper.
Even if the amp patch isn't my cup of tea, it often has decent effects on it, so I save those fx as presets.
 
The upgrade has tons more mic, cab & fx choices (more stomps and rack stuff) plus dist, comp, eq and pitchshift stompers.
The plate/room/hall/inverse rack verbs are Breverb, so you can replicate fave PC Breverb patches to the rack ones in TH2.
 
Good stuff! Most of the amps don't have that fizzy/cloudy PODiness to them.
I'm in the camp that likes the layout - to me it makes sense having it set up that way.
 
Haven't spent any time messing with the cab IRs yet - that'll come later.

 

Beepster


Well I'll say first off to get off the first couple of models (the 65 and the next one that has 60 whatever in it's title is no good). The Overloud custom head is doing it as far as rock/metal but there are some nice tones elsewhere in there. I think what these companies need to get away from is trying to replicate existing amps and create their own thing. Once they start trying to dig into the nuances of stuff that cannot be duplicated digitally they start cutting out all their hard work and the results are lackluster. Just a thought.

There is a really excellent point buried in this. If you're using a computer amp sim, then embrace the horror. Use that software to make the next great amp, the one that's better sounding than hardware. 

When I design and build amps I'm limited by parts availability and mechanical design constraints. It becomes difficult to truly innovate. Software designers have a giant canvas to work with. Being able to modify the amp interface and look are huge. I can't afford to experiment with layout and design. 

My only option is to embrace continuous improvement. After every litter of amps I review the results and see how I could do it better and/or cheaper. 

Computer amp sim developers need to sack-up and make the things that I can't. Something like an amp with a Uni-vibe hard wired into the phase inverter output. MMmmmmmm.

Beepster


@gswitz... that method is invaluable and most of it still would apply but I don't think the notching part needs to be so extreme anymore. I'd like to hear what Mr. Anderton has to say actually. Dude's like all smart and stuff. ;-)

My laff for the day...thanks!


So, I checked out TH2 because of this thread. Here's the thing: All amp sims suck...at first. But with sufficient tweakage, they can sound wonderful.


TH2 definitely seems to have potential. I haven't spent much time with it, but I think that once I become familiar with it, I could get some really useful sounds. I like the way they handle the "miking," too. I'll still need the EQ trick, though, and don't forget about the "de-esser before amp" trick.

Seems like it would make good fodder for my Sound on Sound column..."optimizing the living daylights out of the TH2."

As an aside, I gotta say X2 has been very well-behaved here. No Rapture of Dim Pro installation issues, either.

Anderton


So, I checked out TH2 because of this thread. Here's the thing: All amp sims suck...at first. But with sufficient tweakage, they can sound wonderful.


TH2 definitely seems to have potential. I haven't spent much time with it, but I think that once I become familiar with it, I could get some really useful sounds. I like the way they handle the "miking," too. I'll still need the EQ trick, though, and don't forget about the "de-esser before amp" trick.

Seems like it would make good fodder for my Sound on Sound column..."optimizing the living daylights out of the TH2."

As an aside, I gotta say X2 has been very well-behaved here. No Rapture of Dim Pro installation issues, either.

Hey Mr. Anderton. De-Esser before amp, that made me curious. Care to elaborate a little? Or point me to a place where I can learn some more? I'm curious of how and why that would affect my sound and why I should do it. Even more important - when I play a guitar tuned to B or A wouldn't that kill the attack?
 
Other than that, the "Optimizing (...) TH2" in SOS - I'd read it.
 
And I agree with you on X2 - very well behaved here as well.

The included THD amp model does "crunch with clarity" better than most REAL tube amps I've tried!