Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer?

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:05:34 (permalink)
It's probably because you frequently imply the other person is an idiot/foolish/snobbish/wrong for having a certain workflow preference or idea. If you truly don't want to seem like you're attacking people, don't use words like that. While you don't outright call someone an idiot, you imply they must be one if they hold to the idea you're ridiculing. That's passive aggressive.
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:08:04 (permalink)
That may need to be worked on on my end, Sanderxpander.
 
 

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:10:51 (permalink)
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It is very important to me never to attack another member. I try very hard to follow that notion. I will attack ideas though and I think that I may use strong language in doing so but never will I go after a person and attack him or her.  
 
For example Steve is trying to attack me not my ideas. You will notice I do not respond in kind. 



You what?
 
Are you on the same planet as the rest of us John?
 
I merely pointed out your deliberate misuse of semantics in one of your posts. In other words, I disagreed with your idea.
 
Show me where I attacked you personally and I'll apologise immediately.
 
And while we're on the subject of attacking others - who exactly used the term "idiot" in this thread? If that's not a personal attack, then what is?
 
You need to get a grip John.

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:16:15 (permalink)
SteveStrummerUK

You what? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us John? 
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 Show me where I attacked you personally and I'll apologise immediately. 
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You need to get a grip John.

I think perhaps we could all use a step back and a little fresh air.
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:36:14 (permalink)
I only mentioned a way of getting rid of ProChannel because that is what I did myself. It might be considered weird by almost all Sonar users but I'm happy I did it. It seems that a small minority of users are not big ProChannel fans.
 
It's like: this is something I'm not happy with. Here is what I did about it.
 
Never thought about bringing it up until the OP raised the same point himself.
 
p.s. Being labelled an idiot doesn't bother me.
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:38:02 (permalink)
Steve you come in here never taking a position on the subject and only find fault with my arguments. That would seem to be an attack on me. Sure I am looking at it from my point of view but I also think others can see it too. If not that wont change my view. 
 
To me the idea of removing the PC is an idiotic idea for all the reasons given (4 pages worth). There are idiotic ideas. The world being flat being one.  People hold to notions and thoughts that under further investigation turn out to be singularly wrong. The proposal of removing the PC to me falls into that sort of idea.  If you go back and read how I view the PC my objections to this removal idea seems mild. 

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:47:55 (permalink)
Haha, ok I'm off to bed, guys.
Sonar Basic seems like a good idea, backwoods. Assuming all my other stuff will still work.
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 17:52:15 (permalink)
Works great and is cheaper. R-mix from X2 Pro works but blue tubes that were bundled with X3pro don't. 'Bifilter' from X3pro works.
Hopefully Cakewalk don't hobble the next versions of Sonar basic- I might be getting cheap upgrades from here on...
 
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 18:04:49 (permalink)
There ya go - X3 (basic) is CW's method for excluding PC.  
 
And if you go with Studio or Producer, well, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that one of SONAR's bigger selling points will be included.   Of course, could do what Danny suggested previously and just forget it exists.  
 

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 18:17:54 (permalink)
For what it's worth I'm happy to be called an idiot, esp from John as he would probably be right in some scenarios (and has been in the past), not that he's ever called me an idiot. Let's not get too bogged down on this, I didn't really see any specific direction in these comments and we can all get quite passionate  .... Heck I only called somebody an idiot last week and got let off lightly ;)
 
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 19:53:09 (permalink)
After tracking yet another singer tonight, I would like the record button to be permanently removeable.  Not just invisible, but removed.  And the mute button should be on as default on vocal tracks..
 
And, I can't find the dubly button.
 
Time for bed, I think..

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 19:54:11 (permalink)
P.S.  I'm an idiot, and so's my wife.

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 21:35:43 (permalink)
The nature of plug-in effects will always be subjective. I don't like the Concrete Limiter on program material at all, but it works really well for vocals and drums...for me. The PSP Audioware old school compressor emulation is wonderful if you like thick, but not if you like transparent. And so on.
 
The PC modules provide more tools for the toolbox. There are many instances where I like those modules better than anything else I have. There are other instances where plug-ins from competitors do the job better. So what? This shouldn't be news to anyone.
 
Bottom line for me is the PC lets me get projects done faster. This would be meaningless if the plug-ins weren't good, but they are. I think it's really important not to get hung up on minutiae when the goal is to make music. When I DO want or need to get hung up on minutiae, I do A-B blind testing. It's amazing how few people can consistently pick something they feel is inferior or superior to something else. Many times the answer is that they're "different," not "better" or "worse."
 
My favorite line in speaker reviews is where the reviewer says that a particular speaker "revealed things I'd never heard before!" This is to be expected when no two speaker types have the exact same response curve and diffraction characteristics :)
 
If you don't like the PC, don't use it. If you like it, use it. If you like it sometimes, use it sometimes. Regardless, I would miss it very much if it went away because of the degradation this would cause to my workflow and completion time for projects.
 
As to whether being able to remove it should be an option, if it was trivial there would be no harm done but I suspect having this option would be just one more "moving part" to go wrong.

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/27 23:18:44 (permalink)
 
I find the bit about PC being VST based somewhat odd.  I'd have thought that one advantage of PC was that it could short-circuit a standards-related interface and gain some performance at the expense of portability.
 
I (really) like the looks and the handiness of the PC but its size is a problem with an effect that needs a large view.  Turning its EQ into a regular plugin so it could be seen kind of defeated the whole purpose of the PC.  A paradox, but a reasonable exception since the EQ was really small.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/28 00:41:45 (permalink)
I was a little shocked when I first found out the truth about PC modules. But it also makes sense because when expanded came out they allowed third party developers access. Choosing VST suddenly made sense.  
 
It showed careful planning that I wasn't let in on. But I think it was a smart move.  

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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/28 03:38:43 (permalink)
I believe I have stated very clearly where I believe my problems with ProChannel lie, and it should be obvious to anyone who read my posts that they're not solved by "ignoring" ProChannel.I agree with Anderton that even if I usually don't like the PC modules, they are just more tools in the box. Which makes it extra annoying that I'm forced to use them in there,  creating extra steps when I want to combine them with non PC plugs. Also, that the possibility to remove it is described as "another moving part to go wrong" is ironic. Essentially I agree, but that was one of MY points about ProChannel, and was met by "ProChannel is a way of ensuring stability" (which is demonstrably false).
post edited by Sanderxpander - 2013/11/28 05:32:18
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Re: Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer? 2013/11/28 03:39:59 (permalink)
i think it's just a way of locking users into the host
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