Removing the Pro Channel from X2 (or X3) Producer?

Unfortunately, I do not know the answer. But just out of curiosity, why do you want to remove one of the nicest features according to many? What are you experiencing or what do you dislike? 
Thanks for sharing. 

cconde
But just out of curiosity, why do you want to remove one of the nicest features according to many? What are you experiencing or what do you dislike? 

 
LOL I could have expected this question and maybe should have posted it in the OP but well... I simply don't use it and so it takes up precious screenspace whenever I open that side panel. And I wonder that even when everything is turned off, if it still doesn't use resources? I know most people love it but I don't have the knowledge nor the ears to make good use of the Pro Channel. I only bought the Producer versions in the past for the extra instruments and a few plugins I do use but when it comes to the kind of plugins the Pro Channel offers, well... it's wasted on me. I for instance never ever use things like tape simulators. I can (sometimes!) hear a difference when I use one but that difference doesn't impress me or is too subtle for me. I can get around with the Sonitus effects and I am not interested in other similar plugins that may be better but not to my ears. I am a simple musician and I just don't care about the Pro Channel. ;)
 
As I posted in another topic I am thinking about buying the basic X3 version mainly because it doesn't have the Pro Channel LOL And since Wookiee posted it is hardcoded, I might as well do that. (If my other answer in another topic gets a satisfactory answer, that is).

I would neither be concerned about screenspace (as you can easily hide the PC in any view ) nor about CPU resources (as this seems to implemented really well; I have been using it in almost every channel to some extent, even if it's just a simple low cut filter as it is so much more convenient to use than anything else).
 
I'd be more concerned about stability when trying to remove it yourself (don't know if that's possible, but you can always fiddle with dlls and such things) ...
 
Even as a "simple musician" you might be faced with playing along a backing track that got way too much bass content or is too muddy and by twisting 2 knobs in the PC you might have a much more pleasing track to play along to ...
 
Edit: think about your mixer when playing live. don't you ever use the EQ for anything ...???
 
 

As already stated, it's hardcoded into Sonar. Just don't activate it in the Console view and deselect it at the top of the Inspector and bob's your uncle. No resources used if it's not being used.

And I thought I was you favourite nephew. :'(

robert_e_bone
For the record, I am NOT his uncle.  :)
 
Bob Bone
 

LOL
 

John
That was funny Bob! 
 
 
To the OP there is no reason for you to want to remove the PC. The notion is an absurdity. 

I told you I was nuts... I simply don't want it, period. I think it's a bit odd you don't have the option to completely disable and remove it. But well, anyway, I have the answer to my question, so thanks all!

Ok, while the ProChannel looks "kewl"...
 
It is nothing more then an added FX Bin...nothing more and nothing less...just for the record...
it actually ADDS to the code in the program, as it requires an additional step to be encoded
in the signal chain.  Instead of FX Bin >Fader you have PC>FXbin>Fader, which can be altered
based on how you set it up.  So it becomes a 3 STEP process as opposed to a 2 STEP process.

I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface.  I'm not "dissin" the PC,
I'm just stating the obvious.

CClarry wrote;
"It is nothing more then an added FX Bin...nothing more and nothing less...just for the record...
it actually ADDS to the code in the program, as it requires an additional step to be encoded
in the signal chain. Instead of FX Bin >Fader you have PC>FXbin>Fader, which can be altered
based on how you set it up. So it becomes a 3 STEP process as opposed to a 2 STEP process.

I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface. I'm not "dissin" the PC,
I'm just stating the obvious."
 
 
True to a some extent except it is also designed to be used on every channel and buss without overloading ones CPU. The quality of the modules offered compares well with very costly third party plugins. The versatility it offers in conjunction with the FX bin is unprecedented. However it is not in the way or adds more CPU usage when it is not invoked. It is completely benign in that when unused it is not in any way a burden in taking up space or the CPU. This does seem like magic to me.
 
Objections to it are either based on ignorance or some malevolent reason. It is a brilliant idea that has been perfected in the latest X3 incarnation.
 
I don't believe it is a development that shouldn't invoke a little wonder. It is what makes the X series a sonic masterpiece.  
 
      

 

cclarry
Ok, while the ProChannel looks "kewl"...
 
It is nothing more then an added FX Bin...nothing more and nothing less...just for the record...
it actually ADDS to the code in the program, as it requires an additional step to be encoded
in the signal chain.  Instead of FX Bin >Fader you have PC>FXbin>Fader, which can be altered
based on how you set it up.  So it becomes a 3 STEP process as opposed to a 2 STEP process.

I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface.  I'm not "dissin" the PC,
I'm just stating the obvious.

 
Nobody is suggesting this at all - the point is that the reasons given by the OP for wanting to remove it altogether are pretty nonsensical, from a practical point of view.
 
There is an awful lot more to gain than lose from any perspective.

While I certainly have no understanding of the OP request, lots of us have ways of working and/or looking at things that baffle others.  (ask either of my ex wives).
 
That being said - I still don't get it, but don't need to, as it is not my system or my frustration at having it there.
 
I do not believe there is any way to remove it, other than to collapse that pane, or I think the X2 or X3 basic editions don't have it.
 
Other than that - good luck.

Not every point was aimed at you Hellogoodby. This forum has had to deal with people that don't like the X series to the extent that they would like it to fail. Thus in their addled logic CW will revert back to a pre X series version more to their liking. 
 
The dismissive post about the PC in CClarry's posting was to a degree reminiscent of those posts.   

Flashback alert! Didn't we go through this discussion 100 times when X1 was released? I bet the archives are full of heated debate about ProChannel.

I happen to be a big fan of the pro channel and I am insulted !
I quit smoking about a month ago but this is too much, I need a cigarette.
 

hellogoodbye
 
But I DO use the Inspector a lot... I just don't want PC in there.
 
 

As Mudgel already pointed out (Post#8), Pro Channel does not need to be visible in the Track Inspector.  It's only one of the 3 display options.

Anderton

cclarry
Ok, while the ProChannel looks "kewl"...
 
I know many of you here OHHHH and AHHHHH at the PC...but really, it's just a proprietary effects bin...
It isn't "MAGIC" other then the fact that it offers a "visual - scrollable" view of installed plugins,
rather then having to "double-click" on the effect to see the interface.

Well, it has other advantages as well.
 
1. Tight control over the plug-in for stability. Propellerheads did the same basic concept with Rack Extensions so they could keep "closed system stability" with options more like an open system.
2. When exchanging projects with other Sonar users, the PC offers plug-ins that would likely have caused users to deploy third-party plug-ins, making exchanges more problematic if all concerned didn't have the same third-party plug-ins.
3. There's a whole lot less "window clutter" with big projects when you want to have multiple plug-ins visible at once.
4. In Console view, opening up a PC doesn't cover other tracks.

Before I say this let me state....I LIKE THE PROCHANNEL...that being said, here is REALITY FOLKS...

As Backwoods has stated, and I also stated, the PC adds extra code to the program to institute a proprietary
VST format.  The only real difference is it has a proprietary interface that remains open all the time, unless collapsed.
Other then that, it has NOTHING to offer over the FX Bin....end of story.  And as far as what Craig said about
windows and clutter...well all they are is a bunch of open windows alongside the channel strip, rather then floating.
The difference?  The proprietary window is smaller.  It still uses real estate and resources, just like a VST.

The disadvantages of this scenario are manifested here:
 
A.  It adds to the BULK of the program (code) that must be loaded into memory when the program is launched,
     and It makes the footprint of the program larger on the hard disk.
B.  It loads "X" number of QC EQ plugins, which cannot be removed, and which consume system resources (memory)
     even when NOT in use, as, even if bypassed & hidden, they are STILL loaded in memory.  And, by default, loads
     several other memory consuming modules that must be removed if you don't need or use them (can be saved as
     a template to save time)
C.  It is NOTHING more then a 2nd FX Bin....end of story, bye bye...which adds to the signal chain unnecessarily...

You can slice it any way you want....call it what you want...be insulted all you want....doesn't matter...
IT IS WHAT IT IS....added BULK to a program that can function just fine without it.  Does it look great?  
YES!!! Is it really necessary?  NO... 

Let's be realistic boys....it is just AN ADDED FX BIN, and a great marketing tool, howbeit completely unnecessary and
superfluous. 

Craig, you are correct in your assertion of "more control" just like Reason.  It gives the developing Company
CONTROL over the format, so that it can't be used elsewhere and can only be used in the Company's host.

That being said....I use it....all the time...it's in the program, the modules are nice.  Could they be used in the FX bin?
Yep...if Cake just ported them to full VST's like they did with the CA-2A.  

Just keepin' it real boys...so let the bashing's begin!