Noel,

Sooner or later (Sometimes the next day), marketing discovers engineering has a good idea that can make them look good. I am one of those who believes that without engineering, marketing and sales would not exist.

I have personally seen security access cards keep sales out of the engineering building completely.

With their pitiful little faces pressed to the windows.

God is an engineer.

Thank you.

Some of the things you have posted look inviting for certain.

:Ron

Sorry Did not mean to hijack the thread.

I think I may have fixed most of it by removing sonar 64 and then reinstalling. Seems the vst's were not being seen and the plugin manager would not load. Its seems fixed now so......l.

On with the reveling

I had neglected the 64 bit partition for some time and just got inspired to use it again after reading your post.

I'm really looking forward to the improved audio engine. Currently the 64 will not run as low a latency as the 32 bit. Sounds like you have corrected that.

ORIGINAL: jb

If I've got the chronology on this wrong, and the decision to add the "Fine Print" information to both the site and to the promo email was in fact made subsequent to Noel's post... then I'll just have to eat that crow.

Well? I, for one, am waiting ...

I'm rolling it into a burrito right now. Mmm yummy. Would you like a bite?

So, you're not going to do what you said you would?

I have been in sales for a long time and the opposite can also be said without sales and marketing engineering would not exist. If all these different types forget petty differences and respect each other's talents you get further. I am lucky to work with some of the best developers on the planet and the owner of the company is incredible at dreaming up killer products. The engineers also listen to feedback from us as to what features or products we can sell more of. In fact I get asked by them, "what can we do to help you double sales". . .

I have also designed an app and had input into development of other apps. I have also had to try to sell apps that it was painstakingly obvious were written 100% from an engineers perspective which made the UI and workflow incredibly bad. Not at current GIG BTW.

I had to work with a NLE app that had an option to ad drop shadows to text and video layers. the second you activated shadows. . .any BG video clips got really dark and your composition looked like crud. The default settings for shadow had the shadow being very far from the foreground element and really big.

That was bad enough but instead of having easily understandable parameters like size, angle offset and opacity they had "distance to backplane". I had the engineer explain that i had to think of the shadow as casting on the BG video and this parameter adjusted how far away the BG video was. . . . .LOL. .. . .which explained why the whole screen got dark.

Couple that with other insanely silly features or workflow issues. . . . that made it painfully obvious that none of the engineering staff had ever edited video.

By far the worst UI on any NLE I ever used but I had to sell a product that came bundled with that NLE. In one demo I had about 50 people watching. . . . .and sold 27 turnkey systems that each cost 10k-15k. . . . . .which if you are in sales is an incredible closing ratio despite selling a product that wreaked of being designed soley from propellerhead perspective.

It appears that Cake walk bakers have also used DAWs and care what users, marketing etc think will make Sonar better and are doing their best to make sonar even better!

ORIGINAL: bitman

Noel,

Sooner or later (Sometimes the next day), marketing discovers engineering has a good idea that can make them look good. I am one of those who believes that without engineering, marketing and sales would not exist.

I have personally seen security access cards keep sales out of the engineering building completely.

With their pitiful little faces pressed to the windows.

God is an engineer.

Thank you.

Some of the things you have posted look inviting for certain.

:Ron

ORIGINAL: JKX1955

Noel<

One question (if ti has already been answered I missed it)
Has the midi problems I experienced with Sonar 7 using Vista 64 been resolved? By this I mean the dalay. when I would paly the keys on the Roland Rd-500, there was a terrible delay when playing back through an onboard synth. Have treeks been applied to help this situation. Thanks in advance for your answer.

-jc

Serious?

ORIGINAL: jb

Marah Mag wrote:

If I've got the chronology on this wrong, and the decision to add the "Fine Print" information to both the site and to the promo email was in fact made subsequent to Noel's post... then I'll just have to eat that crow.

Wikipedia says, Eating crow (archaically, eatin boiled crow) is an English idiom meaning humiliation by admitting wrongness or having been proven wrong after taking a strong position.
Still waiting...

I'm not real sure what you're "still waiting" for.

I wondered and speculated about the chronology of and the relationship between Noel's post and the web page that contained the same information. Noel informed me that I was wrong. I acknowledged that. And I thanked him for the clarification.

Is there something else I can do? Maybe pay for your upgrade? Join the stampede to upgrade sight unseen? Forgo the upgrade price and buy Son8 at full retail? Prostrate myself before the DAW godz and pledge allegiance to Cakewalk? Agree to 60 days of high latencies? Delete Reaper from my hard drive?

Is there something in particular that you would like from me?

I think JB's just messin'with ya.

ORIGINAL: Marah Mag


Is there something else I can do? Maybe pay for your upgrade? Join the stampede to upgrade sight unseen? Forgo the upgrade price and buy Son8 at full retail? Prostrate myself before the DAW godz and pledge allegiance to Cakewalk? Agree to 60 days of high latencies? Delete Reaper from my hard drive?

ORIGINAL: Marah Mag

Is there something in particular that you would like from me?

Name the bats?

'm not real sure what you're "still waiting" for.

I wondered and speculated about the chronology of and the relationship between Noel's post and the web page that contained the same information. Noel informed me that I was wrong. I acknowledged that. And I thanked him for the clarification.

Is there something else I can do? Maybe pay for your upgrade? Join the stampede to upgrade sight unseen? Forgo the upgrade price and buy Son8 at full retail? Prostrate myself before the DAW godz and pledge allegiance to Cakewalk? Agree to 60 days of high latencies? Delete Reaper from my hard drive?

Is there something in particular that you would like from me?

Who the heck is giving you a hard time? I am the only one qualified to give you a hard time. Don't pay any attention to any thing that is at all negative. You are too valuable to this forum to be side tracked by such nonsense!

ASIO devices are now always kept in a started state and not periodically stopped and restarted each time you start playback from the transport.

Addressed problem where the first ASIO buffer was not audible. (audio metronome first beat is now always clear in ASIO mode)

This is fantastic but I can't help feeling this is something that should have been fixed in v7 too - the whole time I've had it I've had the problem with lag in the audio engine kicking in when playing an VSTi which seems related to this and now the only way to fix it will be to pay for an upgrade. I do intend to upgrade for all the other stuff but I think Sonar 7 should be fixed too as not everyone can afford to upgrade and shouldn't be forced to just to get stuff fixed that should have worked from the start.

This is just a guess but looking at it from what has been said that CW reprogrammed the thing from the ground up. I don't think with the work they did they think of it as a patch or even in that context. It would be like giving your newborn child away cheap.

ORIGINAL: MUSEd

ASIO devices are now always kept in a started state and not periodically stopped and restarted each time you start playback from the transport.

Addressed problem where the first ASIO buffer was not audible. (audio metronome first beat is now always clear in ASIO mode)

This is fantastic but I can't help feeling this is something that should have been fixed in v7 too - the whole time I've had it I've had the problem with lag in the audio engine kicking in when playing an VSTi which seems related to this and now the only way to fix it will be to pay for an upgrade. I do intend to upgrade for all the other stuff but I think Sonar 7 should be fixed too as not everyone can afford to upgrade and shouldn't be forced to just to get stuff fixed that should have worked from the start.

Hey, MUSEd. What latency do you usually have Sonar set at? I ask because I play VSTi's live in Sonar 7 all the time. There is nothing wrong with Sonar 7 that would cause you this problem. As long as I have latency low, there is no lag. I have two DAWs, one with MOTU hardware and one with M-Audio hardware, and both are very playable in real-time.

I'm not downplaying your problem at all, but suggesting that maybe the problem lies somewhere other than Sonar itself, such as your soundcard. You should be able to play VSTi's live with the software you already have.

You have got to be kidding. Firstly whatever you are talking about has nothing to do with this change since it doesn't impact VST's at all.
There is a big difference between a fix and a major architecture change. This feature required very fundamental changes to our code that manages drivers and required months of testing and tuning to get the kinks out. We never make changes that fundamental to an existing version in the field. It might look simple since its stated on one sentence but it involved a great deal of state management code to make it happen.

ORIGINAL: MUSEd

ASIO devices are now always kept in a started state and not periodically stopped and restarted each time you start playback from the transport.

Addressed problem where the first ASIO buffer was not audible. (audio metronome first beat is now always clear in ASIO mode)

This is fantastic but I can't help feeling this is something that should have been fixed in v7 too - the whole time I've had it I've had the problem with lag in the audio engine kicking in when playing an VSTi which seems related to this and now the only way to fix it will be to pay for an upgrade. I do intend to upgrade for all the other stuff but I think Sonar 7 should be fixed too as not everyone can afford to upgrade and shouldn't be forced to just to get stuff fixed that should have worked from the start.