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One question (if ti has already been answered I missed it)
Has the midi problems I experienced with Sonar 7 using Vista 64 been resolved? By this I mean the dalay. when I would paly the keys on the Roland Rd-500, there was a terrible delay when playing back through an onboard synth. Have treeks been applied to help this situation. Thanks in advance for your answer.

-jc

ORIGINAL: d45
I must say thanks to Fog without whom this wouldn't have been the case!

your welcome Lee (pity the February pricing was double that)

Wow.

Now THIS is the info I was hoping to see, especially at press time when everyone's hair was on fire.

Great job, me likey.

Hey Noel,

grats on rolling out Sonar 8 with so many sensible enhancements (though some may call it payed for bugfixes I recon). I am glad that I could assist some in optimizing MMCSS and threading back when I reported my findings.

Wish you good success and lots of satisfied customers!

Timur

Last night, I and others expressed appreciation to Noel for posting that was "culled" "internal engineering notes." I and others also posted that his "Fine Print" post would make a good addition to the web site, to show what was "under the hood." I said that "It doesn't read like marketing, which makes it effective marketing." I still think that's true. And the information in Noel's post is without question useful.

Still....

It's a little odd to find less than a day later that all of the text from the post was up on the web site, in the identical formatting on a fully integrated web page, and was also linked to from an "Announcing Sonar 8" promotional email that I just received.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/English/optimizations.asp

This doesn't change the value of the information in any way. It's still good stuff. And it still belongs exactly where it is. And it's the single most important page up there.

But...

It might have been nice if the post, which was implicitly presented as -- and was certainly interpreted as -- a relatively spontaneous and generous offering of info to a curious and involved user base, was presented as actually being a copy (or at most a preview) of a marketing page that was to be launched any moment now.

(This is all in the context of how, over the weekend, with many "loyal" and "faithful" users on their knees begging for just the slightest drop of advanced info on Sonar 8, nothing could be leaked because it would throw off Monday's big unveiling. And that's fine; business and marketing plans are carefully made.)

If I've got the chronology on this wrong, and the decision to add the "Fine Print" information to both the site and to the promo email was in fact made subsequent to Noel's post... then I'll just have to eat that crow.

But as of now, it feels a little..... something.......

ah...in the first sentence of the thread....... AKA the developers feature list

Just so I understand MM,

Yesterday you, and others suggest that the put this info on the web site.
Today they do put it on the site and even send a email to show the world that it was put on the site.

Now it's a conspiracy to sell product. I guess "Suspicion Breeds Confidence" in this case.

That's funny stuff.

I am NOT paranoid just ask the guy following me.

Tom

Wow! Now I really can't see any reason for anybody to complain about this upgrade. This list alone shows clearly that everyone has been super busy at Cakewalk. I am very pleased with these changes. This upgrade is less about bells and whistles and more about enhancing the most critical parts of Sonar. Big thumbs up from me.

Last night, I and others expressed appreciation to Noel for posting that was "culled" "internal engineering notes." I and others also posted that his "Fine Print" post would make a good addition to the web site, to show what was "under the hood." I said that "It doesn't read like marketing, which makes it effective marketing." I still think that's true. And the information in Noel's post is without question useful.

I told you it was a good idea!

MM CW and Noel are very smart people. When a good Idea comes their way from where ever source I am sure it will be utilized. You may not realize just how good your idea was having so many of them. They are not so bashful as to not jump on something that hits a home run for them.

Well knock me off my chair.


MIDI out port assignments are retained when adding/removing MIDI devices

In SONAR 8, MIDI tracks and control surfaces retain their current MIDI output port assignments if you add or remove MIDI devices.
Additionally on loading a project that uses orphaned MIDI ports, a new dialog allows you to remap all ports to available ports.

After all those threads and posts. Cakewalk finally listened. Hot dang ! Ok, I changed my mind. Tonight you can put me in the must have column.

But what's the deal with input ports ? Some of us have lots of them too.

FWIW - I looked over the web site pretty carefully yesterday.
The link to "The Fine Print" page is on the 'What's New in Version 8' page now.
It wasn't there yesterday. I'm positive; I would have been all over that page!

Speaking as someone who maintains an internal website for my project - it would have taken me about 20 minutes max to grab raw text from Noel's post, (http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.asp?m=1496133), stuff it into a web page using a stock Cakewalk webpage template, and hand-style it with CSS tags. Add about 2 minutes to upload it to the web server and link it from an existing page, and I'd be done. (I'm sure the Cakewalk webfolks could do it faster).

It seems pretty likely to me that Noel and others noted the very positive response to the 'Fine Print' thread in the forum, and decided, today, to publish it even more widely, and put it in the email. Nothing wrong with that. (Oh, i got my promo email from Sonar about 5:44pm EST today. Plenty of time for them to modify the email they were going to bulk mail...)

As to grammatical/spelling errors --- I try to keep my internal developer notes tidy; so do most of the geeks I work with. As one example, the 'Fine Print' page looks a lot like the 'Themes and Priorities' portion of an Eclipse (open-source) project plan - see http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/eclipse_project_plan_3_4.html#ThemesandPriorities if you're curious.

Most of the Cakewalk folks seem pretty literate to me (more so than a lot of forum denizens, anyway - although MM has always seemed very literate to me, and I find her opinions pretty insightful most of the time; no slam intended!) Also - there's no reason why Noel couldn't have cleaned up the text a bit before posting it at about midnight last night (I would have, in his shoes). He's got excellent written communication skills, in case you hadn't noticed

My 2 bits,

Jim

Marah,

You are reading way too much into it. My post was indeed my personal notes that I posted and it was not intended at all for marketing consumption as of last night :-) I collected most of the information last evening and posted it when the marketing guys were asleep<g> Heck it wasn't even formatted properly.
This morning after all the feedback to this thread, a bunch of folks though it was useful information to describe the product better for the more experienced users who want to know all the gory details.

Hence it was added as an addendum to the existing marketing materials and added to the promo. There are and were no ulterior motives at all. I'm sorry to disappoint that there is no X-Files conspiracy theory here :-)

This sounds like you were sending to a bus which contained a plugin with a large delay such as perfect space. Its has nothing to do with X64.
That said there are significant improvements to hardware MIDI output timing in SONAR 8. It should be a lot tighter now.
Not related to your issue though.

ORIGINAL: JKX1955

Noel<

One question (if ti has already been answered I missed it)
Has the midi problems I experienced with Sonar 7 using Vista 64 been resolved? By this I mean the dalay. when I would paly the keys on the Roland Rd-500, there was a terrible delay when playing back through an onboard synth. Have treeks been applied to help this situation. Thanks in advance for your answer.

-jc

I have both windows 32 and 64 installed with sonar 32 nad 64 installed on the respective boot partition. The touble I have experianced is that wehn I load a project that is using sonar only plugs that was created in 32 bit on the 64 bit side sonar complaines that the plugs are not available. They are all there but it does not recognize most or all of them, Do the "vst" fixes in sonar 8 correct this?

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] (emphasis added)

... there are significant improvements to hardware MIDI output timing in SONAR 8. It should be a lot tighter now.

Now that is really good news! It's not listed anywhere in the 'Fine Print' post, however. You might want to mention it more widely - Ableton certainly made a big deal out of MIDI timing improvements in Live 7.

Did you also improve hardware MIDI input (MIDI capture) timing?

- Jim

PS. On the X-Files thing -- Rapture has a really lovely X-Files patch that I'm very fond of.