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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/27 01:54:23
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Hi Friends !
I'm really excited bout Sonar 8 !
Why ?
Cause i was waitin for a real step !
I'm on S6.2.1, i tried full version of sonar 7 last update included even the third one and i went back to S6 cause of the many lacks of efficiency against s 6
The important thing is that people want something rock solid, but i feel that in each step, it 's about adding more feature or (plugins....)but not makin the ultimate SONAR !
So most of us doin some serious audio already have some dsp's or great bundles, and want some to make it work lawless , that's the plan !
So i hope this time is the real one !!
Can 't wait to demo it....
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/27 14:06:45
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ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Good question. Not yet, but the ability to dynamically switch has paved the way to do this. Its very likely that we will do this final piece soon, allowing you to hot plug a device while SONAR is running. It shouldn't be very hard to do now.
Noel - if you do the "hot" plug capability, will it also work for USB midi devices? Sometimes I will start out with my PADKontrol plugged in, but then switch to the Keyboard which I didn't plug in at first. I have to restart Sonar to get it to recognize the keyboard. If the hot plug capability also works with USB midi devices I will be in heaven!
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/27 17:48:23
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It doesn't have to be automatic, but a "Rescan" button for Midi/USB and probably Audio devices would be neat. Reaper and Bome's Midi translator have that, but it does not work with all of my Midi devices (the Korg PadKontrol USB drivers seem to be different in that regard compared to the Remote SL USB drivers). They can only detect devices being turned on after program start, not that something has been turned off though.
post edited by Timur - 2008/09/27 17:51:07
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/27 18:37:04
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I was debating if I should hold back on updating for a while. Now, I know what to expect, and want some of the features you described. So I guess I'll be ordering sooner than later.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/27 21:13:04
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Excellent info! This looks like a significant improvement.
As a dedicated user of every even-numbered-version of Sonar so far, I'm definitely going to upgrade.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/28 01:42:51
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/28 02:52:46
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Hi there, I'm a newbie, &
this is my first post. Noel, like everyone else, I've been rapt in the detail you first posted here, & then how quickly you guys got the info onto your website. Well done. A quick question regarding VST updates in your notes. A few forum threads have recently discussed the fact that IK Multimedia VST plugins (e.g. Sampletank 2.5) have not been picked up or had trouble loading in Sonar 7 x64. Your notes mention third party vendor request fixes for VST, & specifically S8 now reading VSTTimeInfo. Does this mean Sampletank can ow be loaded by S8 (you mentioned ToonTracks would). Keep Up the great work.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/28 08:25:44
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Most of the time problems with 32 bit VST's not loading in Bitbridge have to do with plugins making out of sequence VST calls resulting in load failure. I suggest you follow up with the vendor on this issue so they can isolate why their plugin is failing. If they require assistance from Cakewalk tell them that they can contact me.
BTW another plugin that now works in X64 with SONAR is CamelSpace. The developer was in touch with me and has addressed the issue from their end. (it should work in earlier SONAR versions as well)
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/28 16:36:10
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Noel, or any Cakewalk rep...
In Sonar 8, are there any tweaks or upgrades in ACT, generic surface plugin, or the midi learn (right click, assign) function?
"No" would not be a deal breaker, just asking though.
Thanks
I have authentic analog drum machine samples.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/29 22:39:46
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ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Most of the time problems with 32 bit VST's not loading in Bitbridge have to do with plugins making out of sequence VST calls resulting in load failure. I suggest you follow up with the vendor on this issue so they can isolate why their plugin is failing. If they require assistance from Cakewalk tell them that they can contact me.
BTW another plugin that now works in X64 with SONAR is CamelSpace. The developer was in touch with me and has addressed the issue from their end. (it should work in earlier SONAR versions as well)
Hi Noel: I'm currently beta testing audio interfaces' drivers for a couple of popular companies. I read one of these companies' representative write this in response to a post announcing that SONAR 8 will be released soon, with under the hood enhancements: "We too are looking forward to what changes they have made. As soon as anyone gets this release please post your results in the appropriate device forum if you have any issues. We are most particularly interested in WDM performance. ASIO seems be their secondary preference where WDM is the default. " Would you care to make a comment about this statemet that ASIO seems be their secondary preference where WDM is the default.? Really what I'm getting at is could it be possible for a QA driver beta tester manager to contact someone at Cakewalk to the end that a joint effort of some sort would help improve the ASIO driver performance in SONAR? I'm definitely not saying that SONAR is lacking in this area, but as I read you are willing to work with companies to assist them in improving VST compatibilty with SONAR, what's Cakewalk's attitude with working with or assisting companies so their drivers can have the best performance with SONAR? Thanks for any reply, Noel. 
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/29 22:59:05
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I wish cakewalk would publish a list of the audio interface that the beta team is using to try out each new version of Sonar. This way if the audio interface is on the list we as the public have more confidence in our equipment working with each new version. Just a thought  Ed
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/09/29 23:33:07
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Still no global FX bypass? 
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 08:03:41
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Its completely incorrect that ASIO is the secondary preference. In fact if you read these notes, in S8 a very large amount of time was spent in ASIO optimizations. I have been in touch with various driver vendors during the SONAR 8 cycle to help improve performance of their drivers with ASIO. In general we try and help vendors with compatibility issues with SONAR as much as we can. We obviously do not have the bandwidth to debug a driver for them but we try and do what we can. For example we assised Presonus to address driver problems in SONAR 8 as a result of which their drivers now work in WASAPI. ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes
Would you care to make a comment about this statemet that ASIO seems be their secondary preference where WDM is the default.?
Really what I'm getting at is could it be possible for a QA driver beta tester manager to contact someone at Cakewalk to the end that a joint effort of some sort would help improve the ASIO driver performance in SONAR?
I'm definitely not saying that SONAR is lacking in this area, but as I read you are willing to work with companies to assist them in improving VST compatibilty with SONAR, what's Cakewalk's attitude with working with or assisting companies so their drivers can have the best performance with SONAR?
Thanks for any reply, Noel.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 08:04:28
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Not yet but its on the feature hit list :-) BTW you can audition your mix today without all fx by using realtime/audible bounce and choosing to omit FX in the bounce dialog.
post edited by Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] - 2008/10/02 08:07:46
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 13:52:02
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I listened to the Martin Guitar synth in the Dimension Pro sample and it sounds really good.
I also noted that Dimension Pro is included in Sonar 8.
Does the Martin Guitar synth in Dimension Pro/Sonar 8 work at 24/96?
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 17:24:34
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Regarding Sonar 8 / Vista / WASAPI... There was a thread a while back discussing the Echo Layla card and the WaveRT drivers that Echo release - and that they didn't work with Sonar because of the types of calls being used. So the option is to either use the older driver if you want WDM (which I generally prefer) or use ASIO if you are on Sonar and want the new driver (which has a cooler console app, as well...though no more functional, it's prettier). I'm not clear on where all the lines are regarding WaveRT, WASAPI, MMCSS, etc and I wonder how Sonar 8 will affect the issue in this case. Anyone care to comment? Here's the original thread: Thread about Echo WaveRT And here's the notable quote from page 1 of that thread from Noel: I've been in touch with the engineers from Echo this week and we're working together on this. The basic issue is that the current echo drivers do not yet support WaveRT event notification mode which is what SONAR supports. Its too early to comment on further but progress is looking good so far. So how does all of this relate to Sonar 8? Thanks for any input.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 17:51:01
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At this stage in Sonar's development (loads of tools/features), I think this type of upgrade was perfect. Every Sonar user benefits from increased performance... and there's a lot of "little" things that make using Sonar less tedious/cumbersome. They may not sound flashy... but these enhancements are the type that get used hour-after-hour... day-after-day... month-after-month. Substantial (useful) improvements... Thanks to Noel and the Bakers!
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 17:54:00
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At this point we've done all we can from our side. I spent a great deal of time testing with the Echo WaveRT drivers for the Layla. SONAR 8 does work with the Echo WaveRT drivers for playback but there are some residual issues with recording that only the Echo guys can fix since the problem is specific to their driver.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 17:55:38
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Hey Noel,
Out of curiosity, how much time did you spend with the Lynx drivers? Anything of note to report?
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/02 17:55:41
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Jim,
Have you had a chance to put SONAR 8 through its paces yet? Any "hands on" experience? Just curious what you think about it if you have.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 13:25:38
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Much more than I wanted to :-) Some of the ASIO enhancements were direct requests from David Hoatson of Lynx and I worked closely with him to address several Lynx specific issues. For example there is a new ini setting that allows using the Lynx drivers in WDM mode without forcing the first output to be opened in Multi-channel mode. In ASIO mode communication with the Lynx driver is much more streamlined. ORIGINAL: eratu
Hey Noel,
Out of curiosity, how much time did you spend with the Lynx drivers? Anything of note to report?
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 13:58:12
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The thing that bugs me about this is I built my new machine just so I could run Sonar well. Now CW went and made that unnecessary.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 15:12:20
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Noel, Thanks for the reply. I already brought to the attention of 1 of these companies that SONAR has had ASIO support since SONAR 2, as I can remember. Also the rep says there is contact information for Cakewalk available for their QA staff. Again, thanks for the reply. ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Its completely incorrect that ASIO is the secondary preference. In fact if you read these notes, in S8 a very large amount of time was spent in ASIO optimizations. I have been in touch with various driver vendors during the SONAR 8 cycle to help improve performance of their drivers with ASIO. In general we try and help vendors with compatibility issues with SONAR as much as we can. We obviously do not have the bandwidth to debug a driver for them but we try and do what we can. For example we assised Presonus to address driver problems in SONAR 8 as a result of which their drivers now work in WASAPI.
ORIGINAL: thomasabarnes
Would you care to make a comment about this statemet that ASIO seems be their secondary preference where WDM is the default.?
Really what I'm getting at is could it be possible for a QA driver beta tester manager to contact someone at Cakewalk to the end that a joint effort of some sort would help improve the ASIO driver performance in SONAR?
I'm definitely not saying that SONAR is lacking in this area, but as I read you are willing to work with companies to assist them in improving VST compatibilty with SONAR, what's Cakewalk's attitude with working with or assisting companies so their drivers can have the best performance with SONAR?
Thanks for any reply, Noel.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2008/10/04 15:15:33
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 17:16:37
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Engineering queries can be addressed to me. If its QA related I can forward it appropriately. e-mail is NoelBorthwick at cakewalk dot com.
post edited by Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] - 2008/10/04 17:19:32
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 17:35:04
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ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Much more than I wanted to :-) Some of the ASIO enhancements were direct requests from David Hoatson of Lynx and I worked closely with him to address several Lynx specific issues. For example there is a new ini setting that allows using the Lynx drivers in WDM mode without forcing the first output to be opened in Multi-channel mode.
In ASIO mode communication with the Lynx driver is much more streamlined.
ORIGINAL: eratu
Hey Noel,
Out of curiosity, how much time did you spend with the Lynx drivers? Anything of note to report?
NIIIIIIIIIIIICE! Thanks, Noel. Can't wait to try it out and report benchmark numbers. :) My Sonar 8 package is supposed to arrive Monday.
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RE: SONAR 8 - The fine print
2008/10/04 17:51:44
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Cool. Thanks Noel! 
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