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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 19:46:52
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John
Apparently I can't get the Alt+click to do anything.
It doesn't hi-light a thing except the track but no buses. Does this only work in new projects?
Make sure you click on a track or bus number.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 19:49:37
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John
Apparently I can't get the Alt+click to do anything.
It doesn't hi-light a thing except the track but no buses. Does this only work in new projects?
Make sure you click on a track or bus number.
Thank you Musicroom. I'll try that as soon as Pink Floyd stops. Its a sin to interrupt them.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 20:26:19
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Anyway let's talk about this selection function- nice huh? Should be useful to identify what's going on in a complex mix with complex routings.
Yes it is nice.
I was wondering what the purpose of the letters are in the upper right left corner of the bus?
By default Sonar letters the buses instead of numbering them. That is the buss name. You can change it to anything you like Bub. I often make my first buss the master buss. and call it that.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:03:34
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I did not know you could change the letters or numbers to something else.
So....
How about them Bengals? lol!
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:16:13
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Guitarpima
I did not know you could change the letters or numbers to something else.
So....
How about them Bengals? lol!
You're right. Those letters can't be changed. I was thinking how Sonar uses them as the default for the name. The name can change though. Thanks for correcting that.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:17:06
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Bub
Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
Anyway let's talk about this selection function- nice huh? Should be useful to identify what's going on in a complex mix with complex routings.
Yes it is nice.
I was wondering what the purpose of the letters are in the upper right left corner of the bus?
By default Sonar letters the buses instead of numbering them. That is the buss name. You can change it to anything you like Bub. I often make my first buss the master buss. and call it that.
Sorry but I don't see any way to change the letter on the bus. It's not in the box where you type the name. Do you do it somewhere else? Plus, they always stay in order. I dragged the Metronome up to where the Master is and the letter A stayed in the 1st bus position.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:18:02
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Look at them as the same as the track numbers.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:30:07
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I just installed X1 w/all options and the X1C patch in like 10 ~ 15 minutes while I was cruisin' the forums. Pretty darn fast in my opinion. My system is screaming now that I downloaded the Win 7 SP1 ISO and installed it. It made a very noticeable difference. Just gotta get this little Guitar Rig thing figured out and this thing will be smokin'. Can't imagine how fast a Sandybridge i7 must be.
I like this bus feature a lot now that I got some hands on with it. Very helpful for tracking down problems with Sends which happens to me a lot on bigger projects.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 22:58:52
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That sounds good Bub. I hope all is well now.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/22 23:51:43
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 00:23:44
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Alt clicking a Bus selects all tracks or buses that are directly or indirectly routed to it. Alt clicking a track selects all tracks and buses that are downstream from it. The powerful thing about this is that the routing includes sidechains as well as sends. i.e. if a track outputs to a sidechain input, alt clicking it will show all signal flow from that track as well as the track containing the sidechain plugin. The same applies to buses. It can be a very powerful way to trace signal flow through a complex project when you are trying to see what feeds what. Additionally bus selection allows you to do a lot of things that werent possible before. For example all the controls on a bus strip are now quick groupable. i.e. selecting buses and changing a bus paramter will affect all selected buses. Handy for changing a bunch of levels or outputs at one time. Another cool feture is that the revert command now also works on the selection. This can be handy for doing quick A/B tests while changing the gain across a bunch of tracks or buses simultaneously. Finally bus selection now (finally!) lets you copy and paste envelopes across buses and tracks easily.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 02:32:04
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This is indeed a cool feature.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 02:36:13
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Err, the ability to alt click a bus to show what's routed to it is not new. It works in 8.5.3 and has been there since v6 iirc. Alt clicking a track is new though . Child
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 08:41:07
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you are mistaken. There was no prior way to show what was routing to a bus.
Its a brand new feature in X1C.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 15:47:15
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Alt clicking a Bus selects all tracks or buses that are directly or indirectly routed to it.
Alt clicking a track selects all tracks and buses that are downstream from it.
The powerful thing about this is that the routing includes sidechains as well as sends. i.e. if a track outputs to a sidechain input, alt clicking it will show all signal flow from that track as well as the track containing the sidechain plugin. The same applies to buses.
It can be a very powerful way to trace signal flow through a complex project when you are trying to see what feeds what.
Additionally bus selection allows you to do a lot of things that werent possible before. For example all the controls on a bus strip are now quick groupable. i.e. selecting buses and changing a bus paramter will affect all selected buses. Handy for changing a bunch of levels or outputs at one time. Another cool feture is that the revert command now also works on the selection. This can be handy for doing quick A/B tests while changing the gain across a bunch of tracks or buses simultaneously.
Finally bus selection now (finally!) lets you copy and paste envelopes across buses and tracks easily.
This is fantastic. Yes, I can confirm that ALT-Clicking does indeed identify side-chain routing as well. Thanks Cakewalk, this is a very handy feature which I will make regular use of.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/23 16:02:51
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I have been away to Canada for 4 weeks using my friends Pro Tools set up and I found this feature brilliant. Back in UK now and downloading X1c. Thanks Cakewalk for including this invaluable feature.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 02:55:25
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Thanks Noel, I just went and did a sanity check. Alt clicking the quick group area of a buss in 8.5.3 adds tracks that are routed to it to a quick group. It's good for chasing down stray sends. Glad to hear that this useful feature has received some much needed enhancement. Cheers, Child
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 06:32:05
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(The forum is being broken again. I can't quote Noel's post. This really is the crappiest forum software of all times and it really reflects badly on a technology company when they use such crappy technology so publicly). This sounds like a great new feature but I would still like to see two bigger improvement to project organisation: 1) Nested folders 2) The ability to drag a bus anywhere in a project and not just restricted to the bus pane. (Frankly, I would love an option to disable the bus pane entirely). With these two features combined you could really organise things properly. For instance you could have a percussion folder which includes a percussion bus and a few audio tracks with percussion sounds and a maybe a few folders containing percussion synths (MIDI and audio tracks in a folder). This could be part of a bigger drums folder with analogue drums in one sub-folder and electronic drums in another sub-folder etc etc. Then everything is neatly together. Add to this a little project browser in the inspector area so you can easily show/hide tracks and open/close folders and everything could be very neatly organised. (Then you could add group functionality to this little browser and a few other things). And on the right add a saved project browser so you can see the tracks and busses of a saved project and can drag a track or a folder from another session right into the current session. And even seeing individual plugins so you can drag them with the same settings as in the saved project into your current project! Well... I'll keep on dreaming. :-) UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 06:33:11
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Yikes. The forum is more broken than I thought: It is also getting the formatting all wrong. Come on Cakewalk, get a clue and get proper forum software. UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 06:55:30
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A little wants more, eh, UnderTow?  But the Bus thing you mention sounds neat! It's what you can do in Steinberg's products. I kind of think it's a good idea to have Buses in it's own "department" in Sonar and with the Inspector automaticly showing you the Receiving bus when selecting a track does make it easy to work with. But how about a Track View Bus in adition to the normal Sonar Bus pane? I wouldn't mind that for the very reason and scenario you describe and Steinberg's way of bussing has its advantages. However, I also like the current way of working with a bus pane, best of both worlds maybe? Regarding the Forum Software - yeah, it's pretty messed up!
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 07:36:01
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(Can't quote you ProjectM even after restarting Firefox) Unfortunately Cubase also has it's issues. I for instance don't like that when you add an instrument Cubase insists on putting the VSTi output and automation tracks in a VST folder at the bottom of the session. Although you can move this folder to a more relevant place, you can't rename it which becomes a serious issue if you have multiple instances of the same synth in a project. There are some other smaller issues like the fact that it doesn't create new tracks/instruments/group channels where I want them but that is a smaller annoyance. Your suggestion is fine by me as long as I can just hide/close the whole bus pane then I'm happy. :-) I wouldn't want to force anyone to work the way I like. I really like the way Pro Tools deals with tracks/busses. Add anything and it will be added right below the selected track and then you have total flexibility to move anything wherever you want (And route it anywhere you want!). Now if Avid would also add folders... So it seems no one really gets it 100% right... but I must say that having folders that are not nestable seems like such a lost opportunity... UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 07:46:41
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he he, no quoting here either And no hard returns! Anyway, I never use VSTi's when working in Nuendo - which I use at a studio which isn't mine. But I have noticed what you describe and I much prefer Sonar's way to deal with VSTi's! true what you say about PT as well, and I agree; no DAW is 100%. However, the current Bus Pane can be hidden easily so if they implemented buses in addition to that in the tracks, everyone could choose and be happy. Maybe it's time for a feature request?
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 08:25:50
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The problems you're having are a bug in Firefox version 6.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 08:51:24
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 10:15:09
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Alt clicking a Bus selects all tracks or buses that are directly or indirectly routed to it.
Alt clicking a track selects all tracks and buses that are downstream from it.
The powerful thing about this is that the routing includes sidechains as well as sends. i.e. if a track outputs to a sidechain input, alt clicking it will show all signal flow from that track as well as the track containing the sidechain plugin. The same applies to buses.
It can be a very powerful way to trace signal flow through a complex project when you are trying to see what feeds what.
Additionally bus selection allows you to do a lot of things that werent possible before. For example all the controls on a bus strip are now quick groupable. i.e. selecting buses and changing a bus paramter will affect all selected buses. Handy for changing a bunch of levels or outputs at one time. Another cool feture is that the revert command now also works on the selection. This can be handy for doing quick A/B tests while changing the gain across a bunch of tracks or buses simultaneously.
Finally bus selection now (finally!) lets you copy and paste envelopes across buses and tracks easily.
Thanks for the extra info Noel... Nice feature... I just tried to copy/paste an envelope and tho it took me a moment to get it, it works! Keni
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 11:34:18
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For anyone reading who wants to learn about using this feature we have a Knowledge Base article in the support area. SONAR X1 - How to use the new ALT+Click bus selection in X1c http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013257 Robin
According to the article I am suppose to see a Where I Am type indicator under each track or buss by Alt + Click (left click) on either a track or buss. This is not happening. If I Alt+ Click on a buss letter or track number the routed buses and or tracks do show with a small square around the number or letter of the upstream and down stream routing. Nothing happens by simply Alt + clicking on a buss or track at all. I am using a CS and wonder if this could cause an issue. Plus hi-lighting with CS selected tracks or buses is a little flaky after doing the Alt+ Click. This means if after I have done an alt+ click and then select a buss or track it may not be selected with the CS or hi-lighted. The CS being the Mackie Control.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 11:53:36
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Yikes. The forum is more broken than I thought: It is also getting the formatting all wrong. Come on Cakewalk, get a clue and get proper forum software. UnderTow
It's a problem that started with FF6 and we're well aware of it. It works in every other browser and in previous versions. The web folks, who also do a million other things, are investigating. And is it necessary to say things like "get a clue"? It's condescending and antagonistic. This is "proper" forum software. It works day in and day out. Simply because FF6 made a change that broke something doesn't make it otherwise. And frankly considering I use it day in and day out - not only to read, but to moderate, I would be the first one complaining if it were just abysmal. But for the life of me I can't figure out what it is I can't do and that I am supposed to be upset about. It's just not that big of a deal. I read and post on many forums around the net and I've never thought once to post about how much I hated the choice of forum software - not to mention repeatedly.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:02:29
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Hey Colonel, I'm using IE9 and generally have a devil of a time connecting and moving around the forum. I get very frequent "no record to display" pages and jumping between forums and threads sometimes takes "forever". Plus, when posting, I've learned to copy any lenghty post as when I click post I just get long waits...sometimes I'll click on a blank area and get a "page is not responding" thingy...which I'll click and to try and "recover" the forum...at which it will (usually but not always) finally post my reply. No foolin Brandon, ol pal. It's pretty glitchy.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:05:18
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fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:07:14
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Dern those "third party" thingys!! They're always giving Cake a black eye;-)
Just joshin, Colonel.
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