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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:07:58
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yorolpal
Hey Colonel, I'm using IE9 and generally have a devil of a time connecting and moving around the forum. I get very frequent "no record to display" pages and jumping between forums and threads sometimes takes "forever". Plus, when posting, I've learned to copy any lenghty post as when I click post I just get long waits...sometimes I'll click on a blank area and get a "page is not responding" thingy...which I'll click and to try and "recover" the forum...at which it will (usually but not always) finally post my reply. No foolin Brandon, ol pal. It's pretty glitchy.
I believe you are seeing this and I have no problem with people reporting problems. However, I can't say I really ever see this. I have on very odd occasion got "no record to display", but quite rarely. It seems like it happened when things were very bogged down. (Anyway I didn't mean to get this off topic and in a discussion about the forum software. I just thought it might be nice if some people were a little more tactful in their commentary.)
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:08:32
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Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:10:35
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yorolpal
Dern those "third party" thingys!! They're always giving Cake a black eye;-)
Just joshin, Colonel.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:11:56
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yorolpal
Hey Colonel, I'm using IE9 and generally have a devil of a time connecting and moving around the forum. I get very frequent "no record to display" pages and jumping between forums and threads sometimes takes "forever". Plus, when posting, I've learned to copy any lenghty post as when I click post I just get long waits...sometimes I'll click on a blank area and get a "page is not responding" thingy...which I'll click and to try and "recover" the forum...at which it will (usually but not always) finally post my reply. No foolin Brandon, ol pal. It's pretty glitchy.
I'm so glad you brought this up Ol Pal. It happens here too just as you describe. I am on FF 5.01 and otherwise all is working. No other forum has this "no record to display" issue. Sorry Brandon its not that rare here. Not lately anyway.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:14:13
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Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
The "it" factor, no doubt. Brandon, I use Chrome. It has the nasty inability to do strikeout. Yes the button is there. Yes in entry mode the strike out shows, but the minute the post is online the strike out is gone. I must use use [] code to manually create strike out but if someone quotes my post, or if I edit my post (and forget to manually strikeout) the original manual strike is gone. I also get the no record to display at least thrice daily. I also get the floating horizontal scrollbar a couple of times per day. Lastly, can you have me setup to post as many times in a row as I want without a time factor?  That's the biggest gripe I have with this forum. (hyuk hyuk)
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:15:45
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For anyone reading who wants to learn about using this feature we have a Knowledge Base article in the support area. SONAR X1 - How to use the new ALT+Click bus selection in X1c http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013257 Robin
According to the article I am suppose to see a Where I Am type indicator under each track or buss by Alt + Click (left click) on either a track or buss. This is not happening. If I Alt+ Click on a buss letter or track number the routed buses and or tracks do show with a small square around the number or letter of the upstream and down stream routing.
Nothing happens by simply Alt + clicking on a buss or track at all. I am using a CS and wonder if this could cause an issue. Plus hi-lighting with CS selected tracks or buses is a little flaky after doing the Alt+ Click. This means if after I have done an alt+ click and then select a buss or track it may not be selected with the CS or hi-lighted. The CS being the Mackie Control.
It was in the shot when I grabbed the screen, the WAI does not follw up and downstream bus selection. Robin
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:15:57
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John
yorolpal
Hey Colonel, I'm using IE9 and generally have a devil of a time connecting and moving around the forum. I get very frequent "no record to display" pages and jumping between forums and threads sometimes takes "forever". Plus, when posting, I've learned to copy any lenghty post as when I click post I just get long waits...sometimes I'll click on a blank area and get a "page is not responding" thingy...which I'll click and to try and "recover" the forum...at which it will (usually but not always) finally post my reply. No foolin Brandon, ol pal. It's pretty glitchy.
I'm so glad you brought this up Ol Pal. It happens here too just as you describe. I am on FF 5.01 and otherwise all is working. No other forum has this "no record to display" issue.
Sorry Brandon its not that rare here. Not lately anyway.
I wish I saw it too, but I don't. I wonder if it has to do with internet traffic. I haven't seen the "no record to display", in all hoesty as you know, in probably months. Doesn't mean I won't bring it up to be looked into though.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:18:14
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
The forum software. IE8 - All of the format tools in the reply box are gone so you can't insert a link, picture, indent, make thins bold, italicized, etc. Google Chrome - Indents do not work so you're replies come out looking like they are part of the message you are quoting. There's other things but it's been so long since I used Chrome I can't remember what they were. The last version of Firefox that works right for me is 3.6. I've tried Chrome and IE8 on a Windows 7 x64 w/SP1 on my DAW and a Windows XP with all updates on a laptop. Got exactly the same results. In Cakewalks defense ... if you guys go to ASPPlayground.net's web site and check out their forum just for kicks and giggles, it seems to be just a painfully slow and cantankerous as it is here.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:19:06
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Thanks you Brandon. It could be because this forum is one of the most attended but I believe its an internal problem. Again I don't see this with any other forum at all. Just this one.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:21:41
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:23:15
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Bub
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Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
The forum software.
IE8 - All of the format tools in the reply box are gone so you can't insert a link, picture, indent, make thins bold, italicized, etc.
Google Chrome - Indents do not work so you're replies come out looking like they are part of the message you are quoting. There's other things but it's been so long since I used Chrome I can't remember what they were.
The last version of Firefox that works right for me is 3.6.
I've tried Chrome and IE8 on a Windows 7 x64 w/SP1 on my DAW and a Windows XP with all updates on a laptop. Got exactly the same results.
In Cakewalks defense ... if you guys go to ASPPlayground.net's web site and check out their forum just for kicks and giggles, it seems to be just a painfully slow and cantankerous as it is here.
I'm using FF5 - why is it working for me? Seth P uses Chrome. It's just bizarre.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:28:08
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Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
The "it" factor, no doubt.
*wItH eXtReMe SaRcAsM* ... Noooo ... I was referring to the OP and I meant the new bus feature didn't work with Internet Explorer 8 or Google Chrome.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:28:54
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:30:57
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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yorolpal
Hey Colonel, I'm using IE9 and generally have a devil of a time connecting and moving around the forum. I get very frequent "no record to display" pages and jumping between forums and threads sometimes takes "forever". Plus, when posting, I've learned to copy any lenghty post as when I click post I just get long waits...sometimes I'll click on a blank area and get a "page is not responding" thingy...which I'll click and to try and "recover" the forum...at which it will (usually but not always) finally post my reply. No foolin Brandon, ol pal. It's pretty glitchy.
I'm so glad you brought this up Ol Pal. It happens here too just as you describe. I am on FF 5.01 and otherwise all is working. No other forum has this "no record to display" issue.
Sorry Brandon its not that rare here. Not lately anyway.
I wish I saw it too, but I don't. I wonder if it has to do with internet traffic. I haven't seen the "no record to display", in all hoesty as you know, in probably months. Doesn't mean I won't bring it up to be looked into though.
Hi Brandon... Just to let you know that some of us (me) see what you do... I rarely get the "no record to display" message and it usually seems to happen when a new update is release.... Server busy? I'm very happily using FF5 (after returning to it from the forced FF6 update I didn't want!) Keni
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:32:24
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Bub
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Bub
fwiw ... It doesn't seem to work right with IE8 and above, or any version of Google Chrome I've tried either.
What is "it"?
The forum software.
IE8 - All of the format tools in the reply box are gone so you can't insert a link, picture, indent, make thins bold, italicized, etc.
Google Chrome - Indents do not work so you're replies come out looking like they are part of the message you are quoting. There's other things but it's been so long since I used Chrome I can't remember what they were.
The last version of Firefox that works right for me is 3.6.
I've tried Chrome and IE8 on a Windows 7 x64 w/SP1 on my DAW and a Windows XP with all updates on a laptop. Got exactly the same results.
In Cakewalks defense ... if you guys go to ASPPlayground.net's web site and check out their forum just for kicks and giggles, it seems to be just a painfully slow and cantankerous as it is here.
I'm using FF5 - why is it working for me? Seth P uses Chrome. It's just bizarre.
I don't know sir, but look around you ... I ain't the only one squwakin' 'bout it. And I can confirm Baps is right about Chrome ... I see the strikeout problem too. It's a real problem in the CH where the strikeout feature is a requirement.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:35:15
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Keni
Hi Brandon...
Just to let you know that some of us (me) see what you do... I rarely get the "no record to display" message and it usually seems to happen when a new update is release.... Server busy?
I'm very happily using FF5 (after returning to it from the forced FF6 update I didn't want!)
Keni
Thanks Keni -glad to know I'm not the only one that it's working properly for. Wish I understood what the difference is (i.e. why it works great for some and not for others). It's not my department, but I'll pass it along that some are seeing "no record to display" although I'm sure I'm not the only one reading this thread.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:40:28
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For anyone reading who wants to learn about using this feature we have a Knowledge Base article in the support area. SONAR X1 - How to use the new ALT+Click bus selection in X1c http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013257 Robin
According to the article I am suppose to see a Where I Am type indicator under each track or buss by Alt + Click (left click) on either a track or buss. This is not happening. If I Alt+ Click on a buss letter or track number the routed buses and or tracks do show with a small square around the number or letter of the upstream and down stream routing.
Nothing happens by simply Alt + clicking on a buss or track at all. I am using a CS and wonder if this could cause an issue. Plus hi-lighting with CS selected tracks or buses is a little flaky after doing the Alt+ Click. This means if after I have done an alt+ click and then select a buss or track it may not be selected with the CS or hi-lighted. The CS being the Mackie Control.
It was in the shot when I grabbed the screen, the WAI does not follw up and downstream bus selection.
Robin
So to be clear Alt+click will not show routing. Alt+ clicking on a track number or buss letter will? WAI is not part of the routing display? Because I am not as swift as so many others here I just need this nailed down. Thanks Seth.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:40:47
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I'm using FF5 - why is it working for me? Seth P uses Chrome. It's just bizarre. Hi Brandon- The problems with not being able to quote a post, no hard carriage returns being respected, and bold, italic, etc. buttons missing started with FF6. There are several posts about this, but if someone missed them you'll see the run-on paragraphs and usually a "WT?" at the end ;). BTW, I get the "There are no records to display" message frequently, too. -Susan
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:48:54
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Susan G
BTW, I get the "There are no records to display" message frequently, too.
I see that a lot too ... I was contributing it to my painfully slow ISP but I guess that's not the problem after seeing so many others report it as well.
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 12:53:27
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I can't help but wonder if it's particularly picky about connections. I have a very solid connection here (20 down/2 up regularly tested and verified) and just about never see this - with heavy daily usage. I have seen it when browsing from my phone on occasion and maybe, just maybe, on my laptop during heavy congestion (rare).
Not saying it's excusable etc, but I'm just wondering what the difference could possibly be. I mean same bower, same forum, same OS, etc...
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 13:04:39
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I can't help but wonder if it's particularly picky about connections. I have a very solid connection here (20 down/2 up regularly tested and verified) and just about never see this - with heavy daily usage. I have seen it when browsing from my phone on occasion and maybe, just maybe, on my laptop during heavy congestion (rare).
Not saying it's excusable etc, but I'm just wondering what the difference could possibly be. I mean same bower, same forum, same OS, etc...
Hi Brandon... Well, I'm at the other end for sure... Broadband, but only Hughesnet satellite which gives me bare minimums... But as I said earlier, I rarely get the "no posts" message... I've been getting the same results since much earlier versions of FF tho I don't recall what was out when you switched to this forum software... I've stayed with FF all along... Keni
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 13:32:59
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Sorry for the off topic post, but since we have a Cakewalk employee's ear.... Brandon, I get the "there is no record to display" message on occasion (using RoadRunner Turbo.) However, what I see frequently (and it's irritating) using IE9 is this: When I am reading on a page for more than 2 minutes or so, and I try to click the page hyperlink to go to another thread page, the page just hangs. I have to click on a blank place on the page to get the "Recover Webpage" feature of IE9 to pop up, and I have to use that feature to get to the same page, and then quickly hit the page 2 hyperlink. Also, the page hanging occurs when reading for 2 minutes or so and then attempting to make a post. The post is made, but I have to use that "Recover Webpage" feature mentioned above to be able to see the post I just made and to be able to move on to another page of a particular thread. This doesn't happen on other forums I visit or frequent. Lastly, I'm all for using tact when complaining about any problems any of us may experience. :) I sure hope something can be done about this forum software hanging matter because it is irritating.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/08/24 13:34:45
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 13:44:21
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Response below mostly in jest. Only mostly!
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I can't help but wonder if it's particularly picky about connections. I have a very solid connection here (20 down/2 up regularly tested and verified) and just about never see this - with heavy daily usage. I have seen it when browsing from my phone on occasion and maybe, just maybe, on my laptop during heavy congestion (rare).
Not saying it's excusable etc, but I'm just wondering what the difference could possibly be. I mean same bower, same forum, same OS, etc...
It's the forum software Brandon. It is pure crap. It is just way too sensitive to timing issues and other such things. (It also uses the most CPU to load a page of any forum I have visited. Not an issue on any of my recent computers but on the 15 year old laptop I use when surfing from the couch, it takes literally more than a minute to load a page from the Cakewalk forum compared to maybe 5 seconds for gearslutz. Really, this forum is the forum equivalent of a drooling drunk neanderthal-er that has been hit on the head too many times AND is suffering old age dementia AND severe lead and mercury poisoning... on one of his bad days! If you still don't get the message of how weak the brain of this neanderthal-er really is, consider that they were extinct more than 30.000 years ago and try to imagine what 30.000 years of rotting in the ground does to a brain). Even when the forum does work it is still atrocious. No other forum on the planet has so many people misquoting as on this forum. Why? Because the whole design is crap! So OK, this current issue is the combination of FF6 and the worst forum software on the planet. But it is still the only forum I have seen with this issue. So again this forum software fails miserably. Anyway based on what you have posted it seems my choice of "get a clue" was spot on. Seriously, it isn't just me. MANY people have complained about how crappy this software is. Even in this thread many people are complaining. It is crap on so many levels I just can't understand how anyone couldn't see it. Even John mentions issues! That should be a dead giveaway that this forum software is so bad it has created a whole new universe of crappyness. New words need to be invented to describe how crap it is. Nay! Whole new languages need to be born to even dream of conveying how ugly the minds of the creators of this software must be! You guys really have no idea how bad this forum makes Cakewalk look. Good forum software is practically free and yet Cakewalk have a broken forum. How does that look to potential customers? It looks like Cakewalk are incompetent. So you say I should be tactful in telling you the blatantly obvious? People have been complaining about how crappy this forum software is for years and you guys just don't seem to get it. You are even defending it.  I could understand ignoring my comments just like you have ignored the hundreds of other comments but actually defending it? So no, tactful is clearly not the way to go. Maybe with a few miracles in a few years the penny might drop at Cakewalk HQ and someone in charge might get a clue... but at the the current rate we might have to bomb Boston to even hope someone at Cakewalk might notice something is amiss. UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 13:50:40
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PS: Another thing I hate about this forum software is a monumental design flaw: You can't tell which threads/posts have or have not been read. On ANY other forum I visit threads/posts will be flagged as read when you open them up. Instead on this forum there is a "New message" flag. That might seem similar but it is not: If you refresh the page, it will remove the "new message" tag from threads/posts that you haven't read! I'm not sure what it is looking at exactly. Maybe just threads that are older than X minutes or whatever but it is just plain stupid and it seems that whomever wrote this forum software had not ever used a forum before or never quite understood what the use of the "unread messages" flag really is. I don't care that a thread is 10 seconds old or 10 hours old. I just want to know if I have read it or not. Ah well... I'm quite sure that this will all fall on deaf ears and that Cakewalk will keep using this software... UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 13:51:35
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More OT. FWIW I also occasionally get the "no records to display" message. Tends to happen when the forum seems to be running ..............R....E....A....L............ S.....L....O....W. It definitely is the forum rather than my connection 'cos at any one time I've got several tabs open and when it starts I'll switch tabs and do something else while I wait. Everywhere else runs at normal speed. Another problem that I get is the double post. It just duplicates a post for no apparent reason. I'm on FF 5 having gone to 6 and back again. My connections not the fastest in the world but neither is it the slowest 2.5 down 0.5 up. If it's any consolation I have used worse forum software but that one has shut down now. 
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 14:00:12
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 14:07:46
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PPS: I just wanted to test the forum using the Opera Browser. I couldn't even log in as all the menu items at the top are unclickable. UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 14:38:17
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UnderTow
Response below mostly in jest. Only mostly!
Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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I can't help but wonder if it's particularly picky about connections. I have a very solid connection here (20 down/2 up regularly tested and verified) and just about never see this - with heavy daily usage. I have seen it when browsing from my phone on occasion and maybe, just maybe, on my laptop during heavy congestion (rare).
Not saying it's excusable etc, but I'm just wondering what the difference could possibly be. I mean same bower, same forum, same OS, etc...
It's the forum software Brandon. It is pure crap. It is just way too sensitive to timing issues and other such things. (It also uses the most CPU to load a page of any forum I have visited. Not an issue on any of my recent computers but on the 15 year old laptop I use when surfing from the couch, it takes literally more than a minute to load a page from the Cakewalk forum compared to maybe 5 seconds for gearslutz. Really, this forum is the forum equivalent of a drooling drunk neanderthal-er that has been hit on the head too many times AND is suffering old age dementia AND severe lead and mercury poisoning... on one of his bad days! If you still don't get the message of how weak the brain of this neanderthal-er really is, consider that they were extinct more than 30.000 years ago and try to imagine what 30.000 years of rotting in the ground does to a brain).
Even when the forum does work it is still atrocious. No other forum on the planet has so many people misquoting as on this forum. Why? Because the whole design is crap!
So OK, this current issue is the combination of FF6 and the worst forum software on the planet. But it is still the only forum I have seen with this issue. So again this forum software fails miserably.
Anyway based on what you have posted it seems my choice of "get a clue" was spot on. Seriously, it isn't just me. MANY people have complained about how crappy this software is. Even in this thread many people are complaining. It is crap on so many levels I just can't understand how anyone couldn't see it. Even John mentions issues! That should be a dead giveaway that this forum software is so bad it has created a whole new universe of crappyness. New words need to be invented to describe how crap it is. Nay! Whole new languages need to be born to even dream of conveying how ugly the minds of the creators of this software must be!
You guys really have no idea how bad this forum makes Cakewalk look. Good forum software is practically free and yet Cakewalk have a broken forum. How does that look to potential customers? It looks like Cakewalk are incompetent. So you say I should be tactful in telling you the blatantly obvious? People have been complaining about how crappy this forum software is for years and you guys just don't seem to get it. You are even defending it. I could understand ignoring my comments just like you have ignored the hundreds of other comments but actually defending it?
So no, tactful is clearly not the way to go. Maybe with a few miracles in a few years the penny might drop at Cakewalk HQ and someone in charge might get a clue... but at the the current rate we might have to bomb Boston to even hope someone at Cakewalk might notice something is amiss.
UnderTow
In jest? Rather it seems you have doubled-down on the tone.  Ok then. This is one of the most overstated things I've read. It's forum software - yes. How crap can it be? We're all here using it aren't we? And many of us without issue (and far more without really significant issue). You know - I didn't just fall off the apple cart. I've been using computers since Tandys, TRS80's, first IBM PC's, Atari's, etc. I've used them day in and day out for pretty much my whole life. All my jobs and most of my hobbies have been technology based. And I use the laptop I'm on and this forum software throughout the day everyday. I also use it on my Android phone (to read) and occasionally on other computers. And for me, it works fine and gets the job done. That's the result for me. Maybe I just don't' use the software in the same way, although forum software is pretty limited in scope. It's not as if I just don't have enough experience with technology to see things that only an expert or person smarter than myself would see. So, while you can't understand how someone can't see how awful it is, I have trouble seeing how someone could have such trouble, with such significance, that it is worthy of the resulting commentary. ...And the quoting system is actually damn good if you know how to use it. Just because it's not obvious at first doesn't make it bad. I much prefer it to many other forums. It's all just indents. Simple. And come on- there are quoting problems on all kinds of forum posts I see all over the internet. Are we looking at the same internet? And no, I'm not defending it. I'm saying that getting so vehement about it is, in my most humble opinion, a somewhat alien perspective to my own. It's forum software - as you said. For me I can read and post and moderate. Could it be better? Probably - but it works for me so i just get on with life and on to more important things. It's pretty utilitarian. Doesn't mean user issues don't need to be addressed though. Just because it works for me isn't the end all and be all. And frankly, you can complain to me all you want but I don't pick the forum software and I don't implement it and I don't maintain it. I simply assist in moderating it and I come here to talk to all you fine folks whenever I can. I do pass along the issues and complaints. But convincing me will do nothing. You see I come here very much with the same perspective I have with SONAR. I can only tell you my own perspective based on my own experience. I can relay experience, but i won't agree to something that is counter to my own experience and my own knowledge simply because someone else vehemently believes it to be true. It's just how I'm wired. So please don't call my ears deaf.  I spend a lot of time here listening and shining a light on customer concerns and needs. I made sure the FF6 quoting issue went all the way up he flagpole as soon as I knew about it. I've also brought up the issues others are reporting in this thread. Whether the time is right to deal with a particular issue and/or what intricacies are involved is a much bigger issue and one that is far outside the scope of a public forum. So let me be clear about what I understand from you. Perhaps it will give you some faith that indeed you are being heard: 1) I understand why you hate the forum software and to what degree this hatred extends. 2) I understand you feel it makes Cakewalk look stupid - in that a software company would use what is in your estimation abyssal software for its forum. 3) I understand that you feel Cakewalk is not aware of any problems and that complaints fall on deaf ears. 4) I understand that you feel Cakewalk needs to get a clue but that sadly, in your estimation, this is highly unlikely at any point in the near future. I will make sure your opinions on the subject are known and taken into consideration. So if we're all good can we please stay on the topic of this thread. Anyone can feel free to start a new thread in the CoffeeHouse about the forum software.
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2011/08/24 14:59:26
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UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 15:19:06
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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And frankly, you can complain to me all you want but I don't pick the forum software and I don't implement it and I don't maintain it. ...
So please don't call my ears deaf. Brandon, I wasn't complaining to you. I didn't even come here to complain. I came to say I thought the new bussing feature sounded like a good idea and added a couple of suggestions of my own. Then I got confronted with yet another issue with this forum software and vented my frustration at that. I wasn't expecting anyone to react to it (not least because people including myself have been saying this forum software is crap for years). I really have no idea why you choose to respond to that part of my post rather than the rest which was the important part. And no this is not proper forum software. I would consider making it perfectly clear which thread has been read part of the most basic functionality of forum software. This forum can't do that. That makes it flawed at the most fundamental level. You can tout your computer experience as much as you want but if you don't see that as a massive flaw then you are just not very critical or demanding when it comes to forum software. So why bother responding? I spend a lot of time here listening and shining a light on customer concerns and needs. I know Brandon and I think most people consider you a good guy and a real asset to Cakewalk. That isn't being questioned. The deaf ears are those of whomever should have long ago decided to switch to decent forum software. (Just now I clicked right where I wanted to write and started typing but instead the text appeared at the bottom of the post. Tried copy&pasting the text after clicking at the right location, it just appeared at the bottom of the page again. If I click, hit space-bar and THEN start typing, the text appears at the right place. No, this is NOT proper forum software by any stretch of the imagination. It is fundamentally broken. (Google Chrome 13.0.782.215 m)) So let me be clear about what I understand from you. Perhaps it will give you some faith that indeed you are being heard:
1) I understand why you hate the forum software and to what degree this hatred extends.
2) I understand you feel it makes Cakewalk look stupid - in that a software company would use what is in your estimation abyssal software for its forum.
3) I understand that you feel Cakewalk is not aware of any problems and that complaints fall on deaf ears.
4) I understand that you feel Cakewalk needs to get a clue but that sadly, in your estimation, this is highly unlikely at any point in the near future.
I will make sure your opinions on the subject are known and taken into consideration.
Brandon you always demonstrate that you understand what people are writing (whether you agree or not) that isn't ever the issue. But considering how many people have attested to how crap this software is for so long (and just using it should be enough for anyone critical to agree), that is why I believe it will fall on deaf ears and nothing will be done about it. I would love to be proven wrong though... So if we're all good can we please stay on the topic of this thread. Anyone can feel free to start a new thread in the CoffeeHouse about the forum software.
Sure so to conclude: New bussing feature = Cool! Forum software = Worse than a poke in the eye with s ****ty stick!  UnderTow
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Re:SONAR X1c - New Bus Features
2011/08/24 15:26:07
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Dappa1
Bub...the enemy of all things Sonar
baaaaad Bub, bad, bad, bad bub
bad Bub
Naughty Bub!
you let us DOWN Bub!!!
WTH!? LOL!! Don't bogart that man, pass it here. LOL!! I love Sonar ... do you think I'd put up with all this if I didn't?! LOL!! Heck, I even wrote a song about X1 ... see my signature. Honestly ... who else here can claim they have written a song about Cakewalk? Hmm? Pure love baby! Pure love!
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