Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

UnderTow


Response below mostly in jest. Only mostly!

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

I can't help but wonder if it's particularly picky about connections. I have a very solid connection here (20 down/2 up regularly tested and verified) and just about never see this - with heavy daily usage. I have seen it when browsing from my phone on occasion and maybe, just maybe, on my laptop during heavy congestion (rare).

Not saying it's excusable etc, but I'm just wondering what the difference could possibly be. I mean same bower, same forum, same OS, etc...

It's the forum software Brandon. It is pure crap. It is just way too sensitive to timing issues  and other such things. (It also uses the most CPU to load a page of any forum I have visited. Not an issue on any of my recent computers but on the 15 year old laptop I use when surfing from the couch, it takes literally more than a minute to load a page from the Cakewalk forum compared to maybe 5 seconds for gearslutz. Really, this forum is the forum equivalent of a drooling drunk neanderthal-er that has been hit on the head too many times AND is suffering old age dementia AND severe lead and mercury poisoning... on one of his bad days! If you still don't get the message of how weak the brain of this neanderthal-er really is, consider that they were extinct more than 30.000 years ago and try to imagine what 30.000 years of rotting in the ground does to a brain).


Even when the forum does work it is still atrocious. No other forum on the planet has so many people misquoting as on this forum. Why? Because the whole design is crap!

So OK, this current issue is the combination of FF6 and the worst forum software on the planet. But it is still the only forum I have seen with this issue. So again this forum software fails miserably.


Anyway based on what you have posted it seems my choice of "get a clue" was spot on.  Seriously, it isn't just me. MANY people have complained about how crappy this software is. Even in this thread many people are complaining. It is crap on so many levels I just can't understand how anyone couldn't see it. Even John mentions issues! That should be a dead giveaway that this forum software is so bad it has created a whole new universe of crappyness. New words need to be invented to describe how crap it is. Nay! Whole new languages need to be born to even dream of conveying how ugly the minds of the creators of this software must be!


You guys really have no idea how bad this forum makes Cakewalk look. Good forum software is practically free and yet Cakewalk have a broken forum. How does that look to potential customers? It looks like Cakewalk are incompetent. So you say I should be tactful in telling you the blatantly obvious? People have been complaining about how crappy this forum software is for years and you guys just don't seem to get it. You are even defending it.   I could understand ignoring my comments just like you have ignored the hundreds of other comments but actually defending it? 




So no, tactful is clearly not the way to go. Maybe with a few miracles in a few years the penny might drop at Cakewalk HQ and someone in charge might get a clue... but at the the current rate we might have to bomb Boston to even hope someone at Cakewalk might notice something is amiss.


UnderTow

In jest? Rather it seems you have doubled-down on the tone. Ok then.

This is one of the most overstated things I've read. It's forum software - yes. How crap can it be? We're all here using it aren't we? And many of us without issue (and far more without really significant issue). You know - I didn't just fall off the apple cart. I've been using computers since Tandys, TRS80's, first IBM PC's, Atari's, etc. I've used them day in and day out for pretty much my whole life. All my jobs and most of my hobbies have been technology based. And I use the laptop I'm on and this forum software throughout the day everyday. I also use it on my Android phone (to read) and occasionally on other computers. And for me, it works fine and gets the job done.  That's the result for me. Maybe I just don't' use the software in the same way, although forum software is pretty limited in scope. It's not as if I just don't have enough experience with technology to see things that only an expert or person smarter than myself would see.

So, while you can't understand how someone can't see how awful it is, I have trouble seeing how someone could have such trouble, with such significance, that it is worthy of the resulting commentary.

...And the quoting system is actually damn good if you know how to use it. Just because it's not obvious at first doesn't make it bad. I much prefer it to many other forums. It's all just indents. Simple. And come on- there are quoting problems on all kinds of forum posts I see all over the internet. Are we looking at the same internet?

And no, I'm not defending it. I'm saying that getting so vehement about it is, in my most humble opinion, a somewhat alien perspective to my own. It's forum software - as you said. For me I can read and post and moderate. Could it be better? Probably - but it works for me so i just get on with life and on to more important things. It's pretty utilitarian. Doesn't mean user issues don't need to be addressed though. Just because it works for me isn't the end all and be all.

And frankly, you can complain to me all you want but I don't pick the forum software and I don't implement it and I don't maintain it. I simply assist in moderating it and I come here to talk to all you fine folks whenever I can. I do pass along the issues and complaints. But convincing me will do nothing. You see I come here very much with the same perspective I have with SONAR. I can only tell you my own perspective based on my own experience. I can relay experience, but i won't agree to something that is counter to my own experience and my own knowledge simply because someone else vehemently believes it to be true. It's just how I'm wired.

So please don't call my ears deaf. I spend a lot of time here listening and shining a light on customer concerns and needs. I made sure the FF6 quoting issue went all the way up he flagpole as soon as I knew about it. I've also brought up the issues others are reporting in this thread. Whether the time is right to deal with a particular issue and/or what intricacies are involved is a much bigger issue and one that is far outside the scope of a public forum.

So let me be clear about what I understand from you. Perhaps it will give you some faith that indeed you are being heard:

1) I understand why you hate the forum software and to what degree this hatred extends.
2) I understand you feel it makes Cakewalk look stupid - in that a software company would use what is in your estimation abyssal software for its forum.
3) I understand that you feel Cakewalk is not aware of any problems and that complaints fall on deaf ears.
4) I understand that you feel Cakewalk needs to get a clue but that sadly, in your estimation, this is highly unlikely at any point in the near future.

I will make sure your opinions on the subject are known and taken into consideration.

So if we're all good can we please stay on the topic of this thread. Anyone can feel free to start a new thread in the CoffeeHouse about the forum software.