"No we know, its the same question. Besides shouldn't God know which DAW to use? Then does God even need a DAW? " lol looks like god is finally out of his depth, stick to emaculate conceptions our lord, leave the DAW's to the pros lol

Eh?!?!

Your first day back  and you start another thread comparing this forums flagship product to another?  This has gottta be a wind up.

Should you not be over on the Steinberg forum starting a Cubase 7 vs Mixcraft thread? I thought Mixcraft was the best DAW going... why are you now deciding on Sonar or Cubase?

Do you have any links to the tunes you created in Mixcraft and are now banging out in da clubs?

redbarchetta


Now mind you, I am NO professional. I'm a single guitarist who wants to record his music. In fact, Sonar may be overkill for "me" personally.

I think that's what a lot of people say when they first buy a DAW. I originally downloaded Reaper because just wanted to record some guitar and maybe stick some drums and bass to it. But then my interface came with Pro Tools M-Powered, and I got into that. Before I knew it I was delving into the MIDI side of things and playing with soft synths and composing little ditties that didn't even have guitar in them. Then I got sick of the limitations with soft synths and MIDI in Pro Tools and decided to check out Sonar. And eventually, it clicks that you really do have a full music production suite at your fingertips, and that the tools available to you are fricken amazing. I promise you, Sonar will not feel like "overkill" in a few months 

One thing not mentioned here is that if you want to compose with standard notation Cubase is literally decades ahead of Sonar.  Cubase is the clear choice in that respect.

gswitz


if it was not for cost, I would try all daws. I've cut my teeth with sonar. I love mixing music and playing, but I'm with sonar because I got a demo disk some years back. I never made thoughtful decision. 

I have used MIDI labs, Pro Audio, Logic, FL Studio, Sonar, Cubase, Reaper and Studio One. I even have Harrison Mixbus.  

There is no reason what so ever in limiting which DAW one uses. I have settled on Sonar X2. That does not mean I wont use another for specific reasons. For most things Sonar is ideal. 

BTW all the listed DAWs were or are paid for. 

One of the main reasons i wish to move beyond Mixcraft is because of the bad graphical look of the main project window, it irks me something terrible, especially during a ten hour mixing and mastering session, even to the point where it kills my inspiration, seriously...

I have sent several messages to Acoustica (developers of Mixcraft) saying that they need to re-design the graphics for the upcoming Mixcraft 7. I even told them that they need to take a cue from the graphics in Sonar and Studio One; that was several months ago when i sent those messages. I do understand why some users are so enamored with the look of Sonar's graphics. I am one who is affected by the graphics i see or have to look at when making music, so i do insist that it must look slick, and Sonar scores ten out of ten on that count.

Also, another reason i am looking to move beyond Mixcraft is because it doesn't come loaded with high-quality VSTi's and effects, Mixcraft only comes with a short list of bog-standard generic ones which are barely usable. I am of the opinion that Sonar, in real terms, is worth ten times the asking price due to the slew of included high-quality plugins. I know other major DAW's offer something similar in terms of included plugins, but the console emulator in Sonar is a major draw-card for me. I heard the affect in the live webinar of Sonar and was totally awed at what it does, the affect is fantastic, it sounds like a subtle but actually clearly audible smattering of magic fairy dust. 

Also, Steinberg make a beguiling claim on their Cubase info-page that we can now have that "Epic Pro console sound" but that is a lie, they say that merely for providing some accurate emulations of vintage compressors plus tape and tube emulation, but that is misleading, because the only way to get the "epic pro console sound" is to actually have a plugin emulating an epic pro console, and only Sonar offers that, Cubase does not.

To let you know a bit more about where i'm at with plugins, i have various third-party stuff, and mostly high-quality (Although i was hugely disappointed with the recent purchase of the FXpansion DCAM Synth Squad, those synths are junk).

With sonar i am attracted by the notion of having a whole tonne of goodies already included, and i would dare to guess that the ones which come with Sonar are mostly excellent, so that is another thing that appeals to me, but, i'm sure that the next Studio One, version 3, will not take things lying down, so it's game-on and a buyers market. 

Sonar or Studio One... anyone care to chime in... Sonar or Studio One? Any comparisons and opinions are welcome. Last time i asked this question i did not get much in the way of useful answers. Feel free to elaborate as much as you like, i'm all ears.

"God is now about to leave the court-room, all stand please!" LOL

Because regardless,  i'm happy to hear everyone's opinion on the matter.

Because regardless, i'm happy to hear everyone's opinion on the matter.

 
OK, I'll bite...
 
I'm happy to repost comments from my previous reply:
- For me, Studio One rocks for its Melodyne integration and I also like its native audio timing tools.
- otherwise I spend all my time in SONAR because that's what feels most comfortable and requires the least amount of thinking - composing, editing, mixing, etc., it all just flows along.  
 
General audio editing (move, copy, splt, slip-edit, etc) is about equal for me in SONAR and S1 though they do things a little differently.  However, S1 doesn't have an equivalent to Groove Clips which I do like very much.  
 
When it comes to MIDI I just haven't been able to click with S1, and that's a really important part of what I do.   S1 is slowly improving, but working in the SONAR PRV is just smoother for my needs.
 
As far as plugins go, the S1 stock FX are very nice but I still prefer the Pro Channel concept and results.   Synth-wise it's SONAR all the way (thought Impact is cool).   Add the Matrix view, Staff View (limited as it is), Screen Sets, etc...
 

If I remember correctly, Cubase has been scientifically proven to be 20%-40% better in ALL areas. 

Seriously tho, it's really very simple people.
ALL recording software company's provide demo's of their product.

It's like car shopping. I can't tell you which one is best for you.
You have to go to each dealer, take a test drive and choose which vehicle fit's your needs.

So break out Google, Bing or whichever search engine you like, 
(again, I can't tell you. You need to decide that for yourself too)   
Search out all the DAW manufactures that tickle your fancy, download their demo and take it for a spin.


Now here's where it gets somewhat complicated so pay close attention.


Are you ready for it?


Here it comes........


Buy the product that best fit's your needs.


(Light bulb goes on - insert the sound of angles singing here)


OMG! I am such a genius. Why has no one thought of this before?




If you still don't know what to invest your money in then just send it all to me.
I have a nice list of toys that I know I'll like.


~Private question for the OP~
Just out of curiosity, who ties your shoes for you in the morning? 


Thanks for stopping by mmmkay.


Mike
 

godparticle


One of the main reasons i wish to move beyond Mixcraft is because of the bad graphical look of the main project window, it irks me something terrible, especially during a ten hour mixing and mastering session, even to the point where it kills my inspiration, seriously...

I have sent several messages to Acoustica (developers of Mixcraft) saying that they need to re-design the graphics for the upcoming Mixcraft 7. I even told them that they need to take a cue from the graphics in Sonar and Studio One; that was several months ago when i sent those messages. I do understand why some users are so enamored with the look of Sonar's graphics. I am one who is affected by the graphics i see or have to look at when making music, so i do insist that it must look slick, and Sonar scores ten out of ten on that count.

Also, another reason i am looking to move beyond Mixcraft is because it doesn't come loaded with high-quality VSTi's and effects, Mixcraft only comes with a short list of bog-standard generic ones which are barely usable. I am of the opinion that Sonar, in real terms, is worth ten times the asking price due to the slew of included high-quality plugins. I know other major DAW's offer something similar in terms of included plugins, but the console emulator in Sonar is a major draw-card for me. I heard the affect in the live webinar of Sonar and was totally awed at what it does, the affect is fantastic, it sounds like a subtle but actually clearly audible smattering of magic fairy dust. 

Also, Steinberg make a beguiling claim on their Cubase info-page that we can now have that "Epic Pro console sound" but that is a lie, they say that merely for providing some accurate emulations of vintage compressors plus tape and tube emulation, but that is misleading, because the only way to get the "epic pro console sound" is to actually have a plugin emulating an epic pro console, and only Sonar offers that, Cubase does not.

To let you know a bit more about where i'm at with plugins, i have various third-party stuff, and mostly high-quality (Although i was hugely disappointed with the recent purchase of the FXpansion DCAM Synth Squad, those synths are junk).

With sonar i am attracted by the notion of having a whole tonne of goodies already included, and i would dare to guess that the ones which come with Sonar are mostly excellent, so that is another thing that appeals to me, but, i'm sure that the next Studio One, version 3, will not take things lying down, so it's game-on and a buyers market. 

Sonar or Studio One... anyone care to chime in... Sonar or Studio One? Any comparisons and opinions are welcome. Last time i asked this question i did not get much in the way of useful answers. Feel free to elaborate as much as you like, i'm all ears.

"God is now about to leave the court-room, all stand please!" LOL

I have to admit though, this is a decent and reasonable response.
you know you and I obviously didn't see eye to eye in our previous posts here but this post seems like your interacting much better.
and you know what, everyone deserves a "do over"  once in a while.
 
I've checked out studio one, its actually a pretty decent daw with more mastering functions than sonar.
but when it comes to fundamentals I'm back here in sonar land.
I use an external mastering program anyway (sony soundforge) so I'm not attracted to that aspect.
but I believe fast biker is right, try both, see which one suits your needs.
 
you know I could really rub it in about mixcraft right now :)
but we'll leave that one alone Mr. P.
 
it's nice to hear your views on digital audio rather than just an argument, which I take blame for as well.
it takes two to tango man.
 
so here's looking forward to you having a successful bid at getting your hands on a daw you like and can be productive with.
 
I wish you the best, I mean that.
 
Charlie
 
 

What DAW is better? Best? Super? Unbelievable good?

The answer is simple.... The one that suits you...
Nothing more, nothing less...

In fact nobody can answer the question the OP has, because nobody IS the OP.
So - nobody knows what happens in the brain of the OP (if anything is happening)..
As a result all opinions, answers, anything is useless, because the OP is the only one that can decide what works for him.

We can only tell what works for us, but that is nothing the OP can use, because he has a different taste, workflow, needs.. whatever..

What works for me?

Well - not a single DAW.
All DAW's have something I like to use, but there is NO DAW that has it all..
For me Sonar is the closest all-rounder, and that's what I like..
But...
I also use Cubase, because -for me- MIDI editing is just a bit better...
I also use Ableton Live, because the handling of clips surpasses the matrix..

Is Cubase better? No..
Is Ableton Live better? No..
Is Sonar superior? No..

Fact is - they all have something I like to use, so I simply use all of them...

But - (and that's the crux of it all), this ONLY applies to me and nobody else!
I am the only one that has MY specific kind of needs, an that does not apply to anyone else.
Thus... at the end nobody is helped by anything I said over here.

And the OP is no wiser...


At the end there is only one good advise the OP has gotten over here...
Just try and demo everything and stick with those things you like...

Well, I see it this way.  If you purchase Sonar, you become part of the Sonar family. You help increase Cakewalk's revenue which in turn helps them to hire/support their staff which in turn helps create better products.

Sorry I can be of more help, I've only used Reaper and Sonar.  I moved from Reaper to Sonar if that means anything to you. 

Oh God (UMM HANG ON, THAT'S ME, S**** S****), another genius, who obviously doesn't read.

Didn't i already state why i asked?? Sheesh. Here it is again from my above post just for you...

"But i simply wish to hear peoples opinions on what they think and anything extra they may wish to add before i buy" 


Is that OK by you? Unbelievable man.     


If i proceed methodically?... I'm scratching my head right now. Listen-up everyone, backwoods reckons we can learn a DAW in a weekend LOL. What are you taking man, i want some, NOW!

Ummm, I think your moniker explains it all. 

Where the hell do all you people come from anyway??

"All rise, God is leaving the court-room" LOL

Looks like the real GP is back now. He gave it his best shot. :)

godparticle


Oh God (UMM HANG ON, THAT'S ME, S**** S****), another genius, who obviously doesn't read.

Didn't i already state why i asked?? Sheesh. Here it is again from my above post just for you...

"But i simply wish to hear peoples opinions on what they think and anything extra they may wish to add before i buy" 


Is that OK by you? Unbelievable man.     


If i proceed methodically?... I'm scratching my head right now. Listen-up everyone, backwoods reckons we can learn a DAW in a weekend LOL. What are you taking man, i want some, NOW!

Ummm, I think your moniker explains it all. 

Where the hell do all you people come from anyway??

"All rise, God is leaving the court-room" LOL

 
 
ignore the people you choose not to bother with,take in the knowledge of the ones you do.
your only going to see another ban by using profanity,as harmless as some of those words are.
 
im not about to start flinging po around here so im going to bow out of this thread.
I wish you luck though,no matter what daw you choose.
 
seriously, good luck.