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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:16:30 (permalink)
c'mon Charlie the guys a troll, came on here not that long ago tells everyones hes a supa star producer, to hell with sonar, hello mixcraft, now mixcraft is no good, hows studio one, is this the studio one forum, will he go onto the studio one forum and ask how it compares to sonar, think about it
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:18:31 (permalink)
He wouldn't be allowed to post in the main Studio One forum because he doesn't own the software. He also wouldn't be allowed into the main Samplitude/Nuendo/Cubase/ Propellerhead forums. But because Sonar has such lax copy protection, and anyone can post here, we are stuck with all the morons who have a cracked copy (expect stuff for free) and don't want to put in the work themselves to get something out of it.

The   X1 and X2 section should only be for owners of the software.
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:23:23 (permalink)
so much for democracy there then
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:30:15 (permalink)
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c'mon Charlie the guys a troll, came on here not that long ago tells everyones hes a supa star producer, to hell with sonar, hello mixcraft, now mixcraft is no good, hows studio one, is this the studio one forum, will he go onto the studio one forum and ask how it compares to sonar, think about it

Don't forget the part about him popping pills with babes from the East coast to the West coast. That was the funniest part. And when I repeatedly asked him for a link to some of his tracks that are apparently rocking the clubs, he took a swipe at my avatar...lol!

So he comes back after his ban and acts like he's ready to play nice. That lasted all of two minutes. Please don't ban him again Cakewalk, the entertainment value is priceless!

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:33:26 (permalink)
"Don't forget the part about him popping pills with babes from the East coast to the West coast. " lol forgot all about that, right tool that cat
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 17:39:53 (permalink)
Can you learn a DAW and all it's features from a demo?

No.

Can you get a feel for it's capabilities?

Hell yeah.

We all did it and ended up buying into Cakewalk

Your turn God.

Let Us know what you wind up with because I'm sure we really care.

My vote is for anything but Cakewalk. Only so I don't have to be arsed by blocking your posts.

Good day then.
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 18:56:22 (permalink)
yes, i know this.
but where does it leave us if we are scrapping the bottom of the cellar with our comments?
it makes us just as bad as him.

you need to ignore people like that and you sure as shouldn't be feeding the fire with them.
he came here asking a reasonable question,(set up question or not) now I hate a troll just as much as the next guy
but if i cant carry myself in a half professional manner then im not going to be commenting at all.

I thought we just went through this?

a dog never goes away as long as there's food in your hand.
thus if someone's looking for an argument, who is going to argue with if no one's there ? 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:03:29 (permalink)
"but where does it leave us if we are scrapping the bottom of the cellar with our comments? " it leaves us stuck between a rock and a hard place, i mean christ am not being that verbal with the cat, am just stating the obvious pal, like it doesnt already need stated lol
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:09:40 (permalink)
I really did try to give some honest feedback/opinions on SONAR vs S1 based on the way I use them, but it looks as though GP is only focusing on the negatives at this point.  So perhaps this statement is accurate:
 
So he comes back after his ban and acts like he's ready to play nice. That lasted all of two minutes.

 
 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:22:12 (permalink)
I'm only responding out of boredom. 
Trolls are fun to play with now and then.

The CH was a little slow earlier so I came here to play.

Shame he left too. It's not everyday the 'Almighty' himself starts a thread.

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:24:59 (permalink)
God, not again! Why is everyone biting? lol!!!

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:29:07 (permalink)
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God, not again! Why is everyone biting? lol!!!


that's what im wondering

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/07 19:29:58 (permalink)
I learnt Pro Tools in 2 days you tool. Go figure....uggh no......I just got GodBitten and replied!!! AGAIN! nooooooooo
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Oh God (UMM HANG ON, THAT'S ME, S**** S****), another genius, who obviously doesn't read.

Didn't i already state why i asked?? Sheesh. Here it is again from my above post just for you...

"But i simply wish to hear peoples opinions on what they think and anything extra they may wish to add before i buy" 


Is that OK by you? Unbelievable man.     


If i proceed methodically?... I'm scratching my head right now. Listen-up everyone, backwoods reckons we can learn a DAW in a weekend LOL. What are you taking man, i want some, NOW!

Ummm, I think your moniker explains it all. 

Where the hell do all you people come from anyway??

"All rise, God is leaving the court-room" LOL



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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 07:42:14 (permalink)
Chreggs... a legend in his own mind.

markyzno... AGAIN! yesssssssss

chefmike8888... I knew you had no life, but you didn't have to make it obvious.

stevec.... I really did try to 'get' some honest feedback/opinions on Sonar, but it looks as though the gutter-rats are only focusing on the negatives at this point. 


Anyway, i have a question for the slimey voyeurs-Whose worse, the Troll, or the 2 bit tools who come to visit him??  


No can we get back on topic? lets try again shall we. I need an opinion from anyone who has used both S1 and Sonar, regarding which has the more streamlined interface and methodologies, and which is more logical and intuitive. Or is that question too hard for the narcissists who really have no desire to help.


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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 07:49:00 (permalink)
tell you what, put a £1000 in my pay pal account and ill tell you ;)
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 08:06:17 (permalink)
chefmike8888


I'm only responding out of boredom. 
Trolls are fun to play with now and then.

The CH was a little slow earlier so I came here to play.

Shame he left too. It's not everyday the 'Almighty' himself starts a thread.

Mike

the problem with that is mike, it gives them a reason to respond and keep going till this whole forum is upside down like it was last time.
id like to think we learned a lot from this last stint.
 
sure its a lot of fun, last time was a blast, just insulting someone till it fills your need to feel good about yourself for insulting someone.
do you really want to lower yourself to his level ?
 
his last post reeked of "I want some advise, now Gimmie it now" !!!!
this isn't someone who wants advise, opinions or help.
its obvious this guy is after one thing and one thing only, to flip this whole forum upside down and chew on some popcorn while we pit ourselfs against eachother.
 
and it looks like its already starting.

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 08:20:36 (permalink)
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Chreggs... a legend in his own mind.

markyzno... AGAIN! yesssssssss

chefmike8888... I knew you had no life, but you didn't have to make it obvious.

stevec.... I really did try to 'get' some honest feedback/opinions on Sonar, but it looks as though the gutter-rats are only focusing on the negatives at this point. 


Anyway, i have a question for the slimey voyeurs-Whose worse, the Troll, or the 2 bit tools who come to visit him??  


No can we get back on topic? lets try again shall we. I need an opinion from anyone who has used both S1 and Sonar, regarding which has the more streamlined interface and methodologies, and which is more logical and intuitive. Or is that question too hard for the narcissists who really have no desire to help.

I wish we could give you the advise you need but im not sure that's possible man.
say all the nasty thing you want about me or others, it really doesn't bother me.
im just afraid this thread is going in the same direction as all the others, downhill.
 
im not sure what happen, it seemed like a few people gave a few sarcastic comments(you had to expect that GP)
rather than just let it go and take what advise you can, you snapped, started with the name calling. 
 
you know its going to be tough to get good help here considering your past, i was willing for a fresh start as my previous post entailed.
I don't know if your just having fun or like this?
I don't know,i don't care, but remember onething GP,its about the music man.nothing else.
this forum is about learning about digital production and nothing else...o ya,there are some great laughs and good times inbetwwen
but take the knowledge and learn.
 
your the one who chooses to ignore sarcastic comments and move on and learn/get opinions.
im just being honest here with you, nothing nasty to say, nothing nasty to preach. 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 10:44:52 (permalink)
A very fair post, Charlie.
 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 10:58:54 (permalink)
Hey gp,

This is the place to talk about and get advice about using Sonar.

You might actually find that this forum better suits your needs:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=7

There are people there who use Sonar, but they are sort of in the minority.

I don't mean to brush you off, but that forum is more likely to help you in your quest.  There are a lot of "this app versus that app" threads, with knowledgeable people floating about.
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 12:07:05 (permalink)
godparticle


Chreggs... a legend in his own mind.

markyzno... AGAIN! yesssssssss

chefmike8888... I knew you had no life, but you didn't have to make it obvious.

stevec.... I really did try to 'get' some honest feedback/opinions on Sonar, but it looks as though the gutter-rats are only focusing on the negatives at this point. 


Anyway, i have a question for the slimey voyeurs-Whose worse, the Troll, or the 2 bit tools who come to visit him??  


No can we get back on topic? lets try again shall we. I need an opinion from anyone who has used both S1 and Sonar, regarding which has the more streamlined interface and methodologies, and which is more logical and intuitive. Or is that question too hard for the narcissists who really have no desire to help.

But why can't you understand that this is subjective? When I was looking into DAW's I could not find one single consensus about which one was more streamlined, intuitive, logical etc. The trouble is that all of our minds work differently. Because of the differences in our life experiences - the way we learned at school, the things we studied at college, the technology we have used at work, the different approaches to problem solving that we've developed - what's "logical" and "efficient" for one person might be as confusing as hell for someone else. Add to that the different ways in which we approach music (different artistic processes leading to many different workflows) then you might as well go on Yahoo Answers and ask "who is the best Top 40 singer" for all the coherence you're going to get. 


Honestly, the best thing you can do is 1) work for a month with demos of each and/or 2) watch as many tutorial videos as you can to get an overview and feel for the different workflows and features. 


I saw a thread on one of the other forums (KVR?) a while ago called something like "What is the best DAW for EDM?" Virtually every DAW had the same number of shout outs, with reasons ranging from the logical to "it's what I've always used so I'm sticking to it, but I may change in the future." 


What you don't seem to understand, if I may say, is that we have ALL been through the same dilemma at one point or another, and we ALL came to a decision by the methods mentioned above. 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 12:10:31 (permalink)
I thought about a few of the fine comments here - a good one that suggests we can learn the basics of a SW package in a weekend, and thats true for me.  For others it's more difficult. Opinions do not make it less difficult.  Another good set that try to answer the OP with their hard earned knowledge, and I find their answers true for me.  My view...

"There ain't no free lunch"  - opinions aren't free because generally, you still have to see if they are true for you, or sit later and try to point the finger at that darned so and so.  That to me is a sad way to live life - blame others for something one should have taken responsibility for.  Many do the work and take the time and are rewarded.  

Engineer -  to get to a point to understand the science and application of knowledge takes a lifetime - a collegiate study.  Installing software and playing around is one thing.  Coming up with a sellable product is another.  Getting to know it so well, you are a master - that's zen. Many here on this website have endeavored countless hours in learning the science, and helping others in this forum to learn how it applies with Sonar as an implementation of the science. 
 
You have answers OP from some very good people. You also have some flames.  Take the answers and do diligence, work to own your own opinion.  Work to know the science and art.  If you do - I promise it will be time and effort well spent.  You have a choice - work, ask, help - or - agitate, be mean, be empty.  Glib rhetoric has less value than the energy one breaths to spew it out - it is a fools way to show importance.

Your choice, but I hope you choose a good product like Sonar - the folks here have a combined body of knowledge invaluable in many ways.   

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 12:24:42 (permalink)
  This was asked and answered the last time the OP posted on this subject before he was banned. The answers are much the as they were then.  

It was these questions from him that resulted in his being banned. 

I see no point in repeating the same nonsense from last time. 

I ask this of the members why has he started the same thread for apparently the same reasons? 

This thread is now on its third page, isn't that long enough?

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 12:43:07 (permalink)
This individual nees to go and everyone needs to stop biting...S?=%$...I just wasted 2 minutes on this fool...now I'm guilty!

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 12:44:10 (permalink)
....and for the record...I skipped pages 1 and 2 all together...

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 13:24:38 (permalink)
It was these questions from him that resulted in his being banned. I see no point in repeating the same nonsense from last time. I ask this of the members why has he started the same thread for apparently the same reasons?

 
That's not really true, John...   Last time around it was all about Mixcraft, apparently the best DAW ever.  But this time around it started with Cubase/SONAR but then somehow morphed into Studio One/SONAR.  I guess in the end, Mixcraft wasn't all it was cracked up to be.   (double entendre there).   
 

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 15:17:47 (permalink)
stevec



It was these questions from him that resulted in his being banned. I see no point in repeating the same nonsense from last time. I ask this of the members why has he started the same thread for apparently the same reasons?

 
That's not really true, John...   Last time around it was all about Mixcraft, apparently the best DAW ever.  But this time around it started with Cubase/SONAR but then somehow morphed into Studio One/SONAR.  I guess in the end, Mixcraft wasn't all it was cracked up to be.   (double entendre there).   
 

I think you were very fair with your advise here steve,
on all your posts.

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 17:46:35 (permalink)
Thanks, Charlie, I did make the attempt.  
 
Though I ended with a sentence that could be taken multiple ways...  

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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 19:42:09 (permalink)
Bottom line is that no one in their right mind is gonna spend a month trying to learn a DAW that might not be the appropriate one, that should be obvious. As i have already said, either Sonar or S1 will easily be capable of doing the job, i was just hoping that a few comments from experienced users of both DAW's might be able to chime in and steer me in the right direction. Clearly there are very few people in here that know anything at all about S1 so i'll have to do a more extensive Google search.

A comment to sharke, i acknowledge your last post, it was civil and sincere. Cheers.

Other than that LLyons and pbognar were the only two who posted with decency and sincerity. The rest of you need help. And just remember this, intelligence does not automatically equate to wisdom. 
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 19:56:58 (permalink)
I am probably the most experienced Studio One user here as I have been using it for the last two years as my main DAW. And also I have answered numerous PM's to you direct on the subject so I am not sure what it is you are still wanting to know.

You can download Studio One Free remember and use it indefinitely. There is no VST support though (only in Free and Artist) so that might be an issue for you. There is a check list on the Presonus site that explains the differences between the various versions pretty clearly. But what it does do should give you a pretty good overall feel.

You should be able to get the feel for what Sonar is like from the forum here directly so you really should have enough information to be able to make an informed choice. Still though nothing like using them so it is time to stop talking about it really and download both demos and get to it. That is really the only way you are going to find out. What is stopping you? The more you talk about it the more it looks like you are just stirring up trouble. 

Some more good advice. There are many many video tutorials both on the Sonar website and the Presonus site and a plethora of Youtube stuff. Also download and read the SOS reviews for the programs of interest. They will cover things rather well too. Are there any decent shops near where you live. Here in Melbourne for example there (was, not now though) was a great shop that had about 7 or 8 DAW's permanently setup and running all day on laptops and you could easily move from one to the other testing them out.

Anyway the OP was about Cubase 7. Is there a Cubase demo? Why not give that a shot.
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Re:SONAR X2 versus Cubase 7 2013/03/08 21:25:30 (permalink)
ling ling should come back, wonder how she got on with her wedding songs? least she was funny.

I use sonar , cubase and reason.. been here for years... not got banned.. well not yet.

I like bits in all 3, but I've decided to slow up and buy things grace period now as I can't be bothered with companies "economical with the truth" marketing / finding bugs etc.

as a long term cubase user, the new upgrade price stinks as well.. so they can wait..

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