godparticle


Bottom line is that no one in their right mind is gonna spend a month trying to learn a DAW that might not be the appropriate one, that should be obvious.

Why not? People quit college 2 years into a degree because they realize they're on the wrong path. People try out new careers that may or may not work out for them. People put months into a relationship and then come to the conclusion that they're incompatible with the other person. I'm afraid that's life....you speculate to accumulate. Anyway, I'm sure you don't have to "learn a DAW." You just have to play around with it for a while. Do what I always do, start a test project and see how far you get with it. That's what I did with the Sonar demo. I start out by recording and editing some audio. You should get a feel for that within a couple of hours tops. Then load a VSTi and try some MIDI. Before you know it you have the seeds of a tune started, and your desire to take it somewhere necessitates the learning of a few more key techniques. 


Within a day of installing the Sonar demo I had the beginnings of a tune up and running. And since I usually mix a little "on the fly," by the second day I'd learned the basics of the ProChannel. I would say that within a week I had the basics of interface and MIDI setup, loading softsynths, editing in the piano roll, the basics of the step sequencer, using the console and the ProChannels, manipulating clips etc. By no means had I really "learned" all this stuff thoroughly - I'd just gotten the gist of it to the point where I could get a feel of Sonar's workflow and methods. If you've used other DAW's before - which I'm sure you have - then you'll learn the basics in no time, just enough to evaluate the program against another one. 


For me, coming from Pro Tools, I really appreciated how much better Sonar was at most things. I decided it was for me within less than 2 weeks. And by that time, I had a full-on tune in the works that I wanted to finish in Sonar. Of course if I decided to go with another program, I could have exported the MIDI and audio and made notes of my instruments and effects etc so that I could get it up and running in another program. But that wasn't necessary. 


The thing is, in the space of a week's worth of fishing for answers on forums (which are going to be based on subjective experience anyway and may not apply to you), you could get the basics of two DAW's down enough to compare the two. I would just bite the bullet and go for it. You're looking for a DAW that is hopefully going to last a lifetime (a good few years at least). If you were looking for a girl to spend the rest of your life with, you'd expect to take more than a month to evaluate which girl was right for you. So what's the difference with a DAW, which you're probably going to spend more time with anyway 

Jeff Evans


. Is there a Cubase demo? Why not give that a shot.

Well I can think of one reason, the demo is not free. I checked their site and even the trial verson requires you to buy an eLicenser dongle. I am not totally anti-dongle, I use them a lot for non-music related software at work, but having to buy a dongle just to trial a demo???????????????

Glyn Barnes

Jeff Evans


. Is there a Cubase demo? Why not give that a shot.

Well I can think of one reason, the demo is not free. I checked their site and even the trial verson requires you to buy an eLicenser dongle. I am not totally anti-dongle, I use them a lot for non-music related software at work, but having to buy a dongle just to trial a demo???????????????

I received a promo copy of cubase some 2 years ago and rather than buy the elisencer I emailed customer support and there is a way(they instructed me) to make a hard license they call it.
its basically a file that takes the place of the elicenser.
probablt wont work on full version,i don't know,but it does for demos and LE versions he told me.

Any opinions about which has the best workflow and which is overall easier to use between S1 and Sonar?? (How many times do i have to ask this one terrifyingly simple question?) 

I don't need advice to download the damn things, i can decide that myself, don't you think i would have done that already IF THAT'S WHAT I FELT NEEDED TO BE DONE, I just asked for some fu_king 'opinions' people, about the differences between S1 and Sonar. What part of that don't you understand???

If you don't know, don't answer, and stop using this thread to rack-up your post count. I am only interested in answers from people who have USED BOTH, the rest of you can stay away, i'm not interested in what you have to say, OK?? SHEESH!

What was the question again? I've forgotten.

FastBikerBoy


What was the question again? I've forgotten.

Cubase 7   ............vs Sonar x2

FastBikerBoy

chuckebaby

FastBikerBoy


What was the question again? I've forgotten.

Cubase 7   ............vs Sonar x2

Ah gotcha. I haven't used Cubase since V3 when I don't think it was even called V3,was it SX or something? I've forgotten that as well. Can't help sorry.

lol...yea, i cant really help either, I haven't used it enough to give an honest opinion, my buddy does though and it does do the job nicely.
but I just keep coming back to sonar, well actually I never left, if that makes any sence ?
 
hope all is good with you biker  :)
 

Cannot believe you all got pulled in by this person again. He is playing with you-Don't you get it?

You people are off the charts (literally too i guess). You've got to admit, i'm pretty brave to sit here and take a battering from people who have nothing worthwhile to say, even though i asked a simple and innocent question.

And then stratman70 blames me for the actions of other people who came in here merely to talk out of their ass. Since when i am responsible for other peoples antics stratman70? Tell me!

I can't believe they got pulled in here too, but maggots love to fester, that's not my fault is it? Flies love ****, right? Was i the one that pulled them in here stratman70, or did they come into this thread of their own volition?
How am i playing games by asking a simple innocent question to get a few opinions about two different DAW's? Please tell me. I didn't fu_king ask for advice did i, i asked for opinions about the interface of two different DAW's, so show me where the majority of these dick-wads have made a sincere attempt to ANSWER my question? All they've done is come in here to mock and be sarcastic and rack-up their post count, not to mention giving me advice about something i clearly don't wish to do.

Now is there anyone out there who might wish to give me an answer based on a thorough knowledge of both DAW's? Is that a simple enough question people?? You lot are fricken unbelievable man!

godparticle :

"You people are off the charts (literally too i guess). You've got to admit, i'm pretty brave to sit here and take a battering from people who have nothing worthwhile to say, even though i asked a simple and innocent question."

You're absolutely right.

godparticle


You people are off the charts (literally too i guess). You've got to admit, i'm pretty brave to sit here and take a battering from people who have nothing worthwhile to say, even though i asked a simple and innocent question.

And then stratman70 blames me for the actions of other people who came in here merely to talk out of their ass. Since when i am responsible for other peoples antics stratman70? Tell me!

I can't believe they got pulled in here too, but maggots love to fester, that's not my fault is it? Flies love ****, right? Was i the one that pulled them in here stratman70, or did they come into this thread of their own volition?
How am i playing games by asking a simple innocent question to get a few opinions about two different DAW's? Please tell me. I didn't fu_king ask for advice did i, i asked for opinions about the interface of two different DAW's, so show me where the majority of these dick-wads have made a sincere attempt to ANSWER my question? All they've done is come in here to mock and be sarcastic and rack-up their post count, not to mention giving me advice about something i clearly don't wish to do.

Now is there anyone out there who might wish to give me an answer based on a thorough knowledge of both DAW's? Is that a simple enough question people?? You lot are fricken unbelievable man!

sorry man,
ive been getting a little side tracked here as well,
you might fair better by starting a whole new thread to ask your question because your thread and title started with Cubase versus sonar,
then for some reason "mid-thread" you changed the topic to a totally different daw ?
this has confused some of us and led this thread array,bound to happen Particles.
 
just start a new one  :)
 
good luck
 
Charlie

godparticle


Any opinions about which has the best workflow and which is overall easier to use between S1 and Sonar?? (How many times do i have to ask this one terrifyingly simple question?) 

I don't need advice to download the damn things, i can decide that myself, don't you think i would have done that already IF THAT'S WHAT I FELT NEEDED TO BE DONE, I just asked for some fu_king 'opinions' people, about the differences between S1 and Sonar. What part of that don't you understand???

If you don't know, don't answer, and stop using this thread to rack-up your post count. I am only interested in answers from people who have USED BOTH, the rest of you can stay away, i'm not interested in what you have to say, OK?? SHEESH!

I think this my be the part that got people mixed up.

I've been using both X2 and Studio 1 Version 2 for while now and there is a lot of difference, in ,  my mind anyways, between them. The first being the intuitiveness of S1 over that of X2 for start. I tend to use S1 for quick laying out of ideas but X2 seems more suited to final edits/mastering as such.

Do us all a favor and go with Cubase.  You'll be happier and so will we.

FastBikerBoy

chuckebaby


by the way karl, ive learned to appreciate the videos you have done for sonar.
I would love to get some pointers some time.

I know this is a lot to ask with you busy doing your own thing but if you get just a second I would love to learn a few tricks.
#1-your videos sound professional because of the content you speak of.
#2- your presentations, they are methodically a work of art, is this planned.?
I have a few more but id dont want to totally de-rail this thread, not that it's going anywhere anyway.
you know what I mean   ;)

Hi Charlie

Thanks.

Yes most are pretty well planned. In fact 90% of the time I spend on a video is spent on planning how to get the subject across and then scripting the actions and narrative. The actual capture process is pretty quick.

I also record the narration first, capture the screen action separately and then edit it all together. Post edit work is done by SWA.

HTH

wow, I had no idea that you actually do the narration part first, but it makes sense, im sure your able to get your point across in a better fashion by doing it this way.
to much is left behind when doing things on the fly(like the way you used to do your you tube vids) like I do some of mine.
this one here of mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZS61Wg-XY
 
was done by recording the video first with a dummy narration track and then going back after and editing the narration overdub once more.
as well as cutting up some of the useless trash that gets thrown around in there.
 
was there any videos you watched about creating good videos that helped you, or got you on the idea of doing narration first ?
I don't want to you to give away all your tricks here on the forum so feel free to either say, ahhh,maybe..lol
or just skip it  :)
 
im just learning  to polish and get to be half as good as you karl.
I don't see a future in it for me, im just trying to better my production skills.
 

mrneil2


Do us all a favor and go with Cubase.  You'll be happier and so will we.

^^^^ This is the correct and only answer