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2015/01/26 12:53:40 (permalink)

Screen recording (software ) and how to ?

I am using a screen resolution at 1920x1080 as standard for my system.

Now how can i possible record that " full screen " at at least 24 fps and at good quality 1080p ( youtube video ) for free ?

What freeware, and how do i set it up , and hopefully with some sound recording as well !
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 06:22:28
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/26 16:00:53 (permalink)
IMHO this is as good as it gets for free. CamStudio
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/26 19:33:23 (permalink)
48 seconds of full screen ( 1920 x 1080 ) video in 20 fps, is 764.5 mb in .avi format at 50% quality....
That is about 1GB per minute of video, and it is too much.
the inbuilt encoders is not good enough to keep filesize down.

EDIT:  CamStudio Lossless Codec v1.5 did help a lot in size
about 62mb for like 50 sec of video at full Screen 25 fps, and that is still way to much.

Tried the .mp4 conversion,  Cam Studio crashes at mp4 conversion
at least with my system .....flash video is also messed up.

then there's only the .avi that's is usable. ( youtube converts to mp4 anyway )
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 07:28:29
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 07:57:30 (permalink)
Ok so do anyone have a good suggestion for a simple all in one, free or pay'd software
that really works without making HUGE files and have a strange fps !
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/27 14:47:19
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 08:16:01 (permalink)
Camtasia is the best "all-in-one" option that I know of. I only used the trial for this and it was nice (but the full version is $300).
 
When the trial ran out, I realized I had Adobe Premiere Pro (which doesn't capture desktop), and now use "Free Screen to Video" as the recording software, and edit within PP. I would not recommend this option for you, as the learning curve for PP is rather painful for a DAW user, and is not "all-in-one" (or even close). I picked up FSTV based on the best answer in this Yahoo post.
 
Check out the trial of Camtasia though and see if it suits your needs. You can also give the other options mentioned in the Yahoo post a go.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 08:58:35 (permalink)
Thanks for chiming in, i miss-used the term " all in one " my fault...

I was thinking more like a " clean simple " Screen Recorder
all i want is a great sharp recording with a good frame rate 30 fps
and "all commonly " used video formats and with the most common used  audio formats.

Thank's a lot for the suggestions.
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/27 09:08:35
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 09:08:48 (permalink)
After trying out many screen recorders with various problem, I'm quite happy using Active Presenter (free version).

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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 10:32:59 (permalink)
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 15:39:39 (permalink)
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Ok so do anyone have a good suggestion for a simple all in one, free or pay'd software
that really works without making HUGE files and have a strange fps !




Finding something that is sharp, high frame rate AND makes small files is serious challenge. You are basically asking for real time encoding of advanced compression. The only encoders I have ever used that could pull that off consistently were hardware based. I think your best bet is to find solution that works best for your system in terms of functionality  and accuracy and then convert to more manageable file size after capture.
 
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 15:46:50 (permalink)
So far, Aktive presenter has given me ok Quality at a very low filesize
the video above is  4.2 mins and about 61.5mb in size ( .avi ), guess it is hard to beat that one.

It seems a bit jumpy at the frame rate, but i don't know if it will affect the sound.

Now i just need to figure out how i gonna manage the sound.

How do you guys manage to record the sound... ? Hardwiring the Audio interface
or is there a software rewiring program that can do it.
 
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/27 16:20:22
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/27 16:38:03 (permalink)
i had no clue that this could be so difficult.....
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 00:59:25 (permalink)
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Now i just need to figure out how i gonna manage the sound.

How do you guys manage to record the sound... ? Hardwiring the Audio interface
or is there a software rewiring program that can do it.



Sound is usually recorded at the same time automatically, using Active Presenter (or other screen capture).
 
Did that not work for you ?

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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 03:15:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundblend 2015/01/28 12:59:01
So the best option isn't free, but worth looking at, is nVidia Shadowplay. You need a newer nVidia card, at least a GTX 650 or newer, and then have to install the GeForce Experience.
 
The reason it is the best option is that it does all the encoding in dedicated hardware on the GPU, so zero impact on the CPU. It will handle sound recording and can record system sound, or system and microphone sound.
 
The only downside in my opinion is the quality per bit isn't as good as some of the optimized software encoders like X264. However for Youtube, it doesn't matter. Capture and edit at a high bitrate 50-100mbps, and then let Youtube convert it down.
 
Now if you don't want to toss down the money for a new graphics card, the next best thing I've seen is Bandicam. $40 and it can record the whole screen, or just part of it, can record system sounds and mic to separate tracks, and knows how to use a bunch of hardware acceleration including QuickSync and AMD APP H.264. So for newer Intel or AMD video cards, you can accelerate encoding. It can fall back to software, if you don't have supported hardware.
 
I do not know of any good free software, however.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 04:55:59 (permalink)
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Sound is usually recorded at the same time automatically, using Active Presenter (or other screen capture).
 
Did that not work for you ?



Well it works with not to bad quality, small file size... that is awesome and it records windows audio
but not the DAW audio, the fps seems a bit jumpy, is the software a bit cpu hungry ? 

Well usually programs record audio in " windows only "  mode !

Option 1 *
There's windows sound, and there's DAW sound, they use separate routing ( road / trail ..whatever )
Some Audio Interfaces have re routing software with it.
With that you are able to re route ASIO to MME / WDM sound enabling you to record
with software for windows recording, like Screen recorders or other windows recording software.

Like the ESI Maya 44e, with  DirectWire , i had that card once, but sold it along with another computer.

the DirectWire function is something i would wish for in Cakewalk Sonar, if they should add a feature.


Option 2 *
If not........then  you need to Hard wire your Audio Interface maybe like this :

Audio interface phones out, into L and R jack's in to the L and R input of the Audio Interface
bad thing is.... you use your inputs, and it limit the possibility to record Vocal at one of the input
if you only have 2 inputs.

You could use a small Mixer and send the audio from Audio Interface ( phones out )
to Ch 1 and ch 2  ( left and right ) into the mixer ,with a  stereo to 2 mono... ( splitter )
then add a Microphone ch 3.... then blend those together with the mixer and use the mixer L and R main out
into Left and Right of the Audio Interface.

Option 3 *  

The Audio interface Phones out,  into the line in of the onboard soundcard ( we can use that for windows sound ) !
then we save the 2 inputs on the Audio Interface... how the latency will be, i don't know.
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But maybe there's a Software re route software somewhere.......
or maybe Cakewalk can add something in the DAW ( Sonar ) that send / route audio into windows 

I tried to " share " Asio driver, from within Sonar but it did not help ....
guess it's " driver share " only, and not " sound sharing " ( audio that run through )

It is like having a car and 2 drivers, both may be allowed to use the car.......... ( Share driver )
but it wont benefit if both should try drive the car at the same time, in different way
they would probably wreck the car, and hurt them self. ( " causing " dropout )

It may look something like this ( game over ) LOL , mhhh " with some respect ".

I am no expert, but me thinks it works like dat.., if i am wrong plz help me out here....

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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 06:16:38 (permalink)
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Now if you don't want to toss down the money for a new graphics card, the next best thing I've seen is Bandicam. $40 and it can record the whole screen, or just part of it, can record system sounds and mic to separate tracks, and knows how to use a bunch of hardware acceleration including QuickSync and AMD APP H.264. So for newer Intel or AMD video cards, you can accelerate encoding. It can fall back to software, if you don't have supported hardware.
 
I do not know of any good free software, however.


Thank's a lot, i will try Bandicam, i am still searching for something that give a good
picture quality vs filesize ratio ,guess that is up to the encoder.

I like software that is simple, and with option to use a separate encoder ( if needed )
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 06:49:43
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 08:13:33 (permalink)
Did a short Screen Recording with bandicam excellent image and file size
i did hear the sound, but it was not recorded with the Screen Recorder in windows.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 08:52:27 (permalink)
Here is a quick demo using Active Presenter that capture Sonar's audio.

I have disabled the PC sound card. All audio is playback via the audio interface (Roland Quad Capture). The video is not as clear, as I've not fine tune any setting, just to show audio can be captured at the same time.

http://youtu.be/d1SKqm5vBOg

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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 09:02:00 (permalink)
uhh, while you do that can you show, your control panel , sound and so forth
are you using different audio drivers... ?
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 09:32:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundblend 2015/01/28 12:57:55


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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 09:39:12 (permalink)
Thanks , seems like i have similar settings

Closing in........, i need to use wasapi to be able to record from windows
if i use Ci1 line there's no sound... i guess, i need to double check that one.

Video detail, size and framerate, is excellent on Bandicam

maybe the solution is to hard wire out from my Audio interface ( phones ) with a splitter
then to my inputs (L1 and R2 ) , i know i will get sound then... but i will lose my inputs

so i do not wanna do that, maybe i will get some latency as well.

Any solution, to do it da software way

Can anyone else try Bandicam, and pop up a short video demo on youtube
and see what is working and not .. ?

Did check it is only when i select win 8.1 sound (wasapi ) in Bandicam audio setting
i will have windows sound, if i select my steinberg line Ci1 i will have no sound.

Edit : Video Clips Removed.

Can anyone explain me this ?

Jan
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/02/01 09:50:20
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 12:42:05 (permalink)
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IMHO this is as good as it gets for free. CamStudio


CamStudio is indeed great software.  PLEASE NOTE that the installer you download from the above link for CamStudio actually is a bundled install, meaning it contains installation scripts for additional programs, and I URGE you to be very very careful about what you are accepting when you run the install program.
 
I found that there were multiple additional programs carefully included to appear that they were part of the CamStudio install, but were instead agreements that if I would have accepted would have installed several undesirable programs - browsers, ad ware, and that sort of thing.
 
I DID complete the install process, BUT I clicked Decline for the user agreements for these other programs.  PLEASE be careful when running the installer _ you will see what I mean if you look carefully.
 
Sorry for the caps above - done for emphasis, and not for any sort of anger. :)
 
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 13:00:49 (permalink)
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IMHO this is as good as it gets for free. CamStudio


CamStudio is indeed great software.  PLEASE NOTE that the installer you download from the above link for CamStudio actually is a bundled install, meaning it contains installation scripts for additional programs, and I URGE you to be very very careful about what you are accepting when you run the install program.
 
I found that there were multiple additional programs carefully included to appear that they were part of the CamStudio install, but were instead agreements that if I would have accepted would have installed several undesirable programs - browsers, ad ware, and that sort of thing.
 
I DID complete the install process, BUT I clicked Decline for the user agreements for these other programs.  PLEASE be careful when running the installer _ you will see what I mean if you look carefully.
 
Sorry for the caps above - done for emphasis, and not for any sort of anger. :)
 
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I already did know of that one...  yepp those who download CamStudio need to be aware of it.

While i prefer Bandicam so far ...
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 13:06:52
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 13:04:02 (permalink)
Can anyone else try Bandicam, and pop up a short video demo on youtube
and see what is working and not .. ?

It is only when i select win 8.1 sound (wasapi )
in Bandicam audio setting 
i will have windows sound

if i select my steinberg line Ci1 i will have no sound.

I can still not record any audio from my DAW, Sonar do not route the audio to windows !
then no sound...

Edit : Video clip's removed


Can anyone explain me this or have a solution, (almost same post as above )...... but i need all of your help

Jan
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 16:34:34
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 13:45:40 (permalink)
Maybe Odeus ASIO Link, can be a solution this is what i mean 

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and later on ..........
Woooooot freee stuff  Video ..... WB Audio Voicemeeter 
time to download and check it out, maybe it is the solution XD.

Maybe Cakewalk can come up with a great idea and a simple tool for use in Sonar, at least it is time for it.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 15:42:26 (permalink)
 
There's a solution now   
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The VB Audio VoiceMeeter is needed to record the DAW audio
with more or less any Screen Recording Software.

It took me almost 2 days to find a working solution, hopefully this will help others.

Bandicam freeware or buy
* VB Audio VoiceMeeter Donationware,  ( Banana ) is the Pro version 20-50 euro.

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post edited by Soundblend - 2015/02/02 13:28:14
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 17:04:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundblend 2015/01/28 17:34:23
For nvidia users there is also Shadowplay which is used for screen recording videogames usually. There is also Raptr which is also designed with gamers in mind. Both are pretty solid choices because people who record and stream videogames tend to demand high quality without using a ton of space because they more often than not end up on Twitch or Youtube.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 17:30:58 (permalink)
FYI there's one thing i have noticed when viewing youtube is :

Browsers uses 10 seconds to reach full clarity / detail on the video. 
Internet explorer may sometime beat Chrome with 5 sec.

I don't know why.....
post edited by Soundblend - 2015/01/28 18:15:11
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/28 21:34:15 (permalink)
Soundblend
FYI there's one thing i have noticed when viewing youtube is :

Browsers uses 10 seconds to reach full clarity / detail on the video. 
Internet explorer may sometime beat Chrome with 5 sec.

I don't know why.....




Probably due to default low resolution video loading before the system detects higher speed internet and change to HD mode. You can also select HD before playing the video.

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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/30 06:30:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundblend 2015/01/31 05:18:11
Sorry - I'm late to the party. Glad you found Voicemeeter (/Banana) it(/they) rock.
I use it as my default sound in/out.

Some previous discussion
here ... and here ... and here.


My (near free) solution was (cut/pasted from previous post):

I use Microsoft Expression Encoder 4 SP2. From memory I think it includes the Screen Capture Codec, otherwise download here. Don't worry about things you might see/read about 10 minute record limits - restrictions were removed with SP2. Price - FREE.

When recording a DAW, with it's audio in/outs redirected, live commentary/playback is often not picked up by screen recording software. I get around this with Voicemeeter. Price - Donationware - flick'em $20 if you find it useful and continue to use it.

... and you can use Handbrake to transcode to various formats. Price - FREE.


I've since bought (cheaply - Steam Summer Auction) and use liteCam Game: 100 FPS Game Capture - $30 full price.
It not only records desktop very well (up to 30fps) with good options ... it has a high speed game mode and can record Steam.
Other solutions at liteCam.


I've also trialled Mirillis Action which I thought highly of - also ~$30.
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Re: Screen recording (software ) and how to ? 2015/01/30 11:01:20 (permalink)
and then ........
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