So what is the considered verdic on X1 C?

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:05:08 (permalink)
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It's interesting to see the variation of "it's working" and "not sure" and "some problems" .... I keep thinking there's something about X1 that is really picky with hardware configs -- which would explain why I'm having such a difficult time with it on my main system but not with other hosts at all. I can't wait to get my new audio device so I can test on a fresh install on Win7 / laptop. I suspect I'm going to see a much more stable result.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:06:32 (permalink)
Billy I think you will see a difference ..I most definitely have. I Hope you do ,, You definitely deserve it..
John, Hehe, I don't know bout deserving anything ... but I would like to have a 'working'/stable X1 on SOME machine here. There ARE some features that I'd like to dig into and see if I can finally get X1 to be part of my real arsenal. But I agree, I suspect in a fresh environment, it'll be an interesting result.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:08:13 (permalink)
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Hmm, the quote system doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment... Freddie - my "main" system is XP Pro SP3 32bit and has been running absolutley rock solid for many months now. Not even one crash until the other night (X1C) and many projects completed happily. This is why I think X1 wants to see a particular environment to be happy - at least over here in my place ;) While it'll be redundant to say -- I'm going to be testing in a totally Windows 7 fresh environment within a few days or week. And if I were a betting man, I'd say X1C is going to be (more) stable and not crash. I hope so, at any rate.


Great to hear that! I think they updated and change Skylight graphic code in C update if that has something to do with it.?


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:08:35 (permalink)
Freddie, Thanks for the recommendation -- i've saved a copy of the info. At this time, though, I'll be using my i5 laptop -- 4G RAM. It should be enough to "see" how X1 performs in a basic way. If I see stability and funcionality going well, then I'd be more motivated to put together a super/power Win7 DAW system indeed.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:08:55 (permalink)
It's been pretty stable so far. X1b(with qfs) has been stable as well. I have not had the corrupt project syndrome yet (fingers crossed).

I don't know why people are afraid to use the color mods though. They don't affect the program other than the colors. AAMAF, the color mods make X1 usable instead of a marketing tool for Advil.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:11:19 (permalink)
I like those puter specs as well Freddie. I would not go with a samsung drive though.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:11:31 (permalink)
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Freddie, Thanks for the recommendation -- i've saved a copy of the info. At this time, though, I'll be using my i5 laptop -- 4G RAM. It should be enough to "see" how X1 performs in a basic way. If I see stability and funcionality going well, then I'd be more motivated to put together a super/power Win7 DAW system indeed.


Absolutely, that should be enought for try it out!


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:13:48 (permalink)
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I like those puter specs as well Freddie. I would not go with a samsung drive though.


Those are really great! Quiet and cool, low heat too. I use over 5 drives in fake RAID 1 setup!


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 15:15:46 (permalink)
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It's been pretty stable so far. X1b(with qfs) has been stable as well. I have not had the corrupt project syndrome yet (fingers crossed).

I don't know why people are afraid to use the color mods though. They don't affect the program other than the colors. AAMAF, the color mods make X1 usable instead of a marketing tool for Advil.
Absolutely, I use the skins Dark SIDE of SONAR, R GREEN and Square faders myself from panu.
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I think that is what SONAR X1 should look like "default" when you install it. Not Grey like it is today...
I use and like the original faders better then the skin picture..  
  
 

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 16:23:14 (permalink)
Well, I've never had any problems with SonarX1 since day one. Yes, there were some bugs and niggles to begin with but workarounds were plenty amongst the noise in these forums which got me through. When the second quick fix came out I've not seen any weird things - just some features that were weird but seem to have been more logicaly implemented now. In the beginning I had some crashes when closing projects and/or Sonar and I had some problems with VSTs but this is also my first instalation that is purely 64-bit. I realize I've been lucky because as Billy sugest, X1 seem to require more specifics of the hardware. But my self buildt box of this' and that's, whatever they do, seem to hold up for a while longer.

As for the evolution of Sonar into X1 I am very pleased. Since version 7 I've been thinking of leaving Cakewalk and Sonar and try something else. After win 7 came around I decided to stay with the windows platform and awaited Sonar 9 to see what made it different. When I realized they made a different DAW I decided to check it out and it was love at first sight. I understand that not everyone feels the same way and I feel for everyone who have had massive problems. So I am equally happy to see that people have found their remedy in the "C". To me, it's the perfect DAW and it feels like a long lasting marriage where things can evolve and improve but at the same time, I couldn't be happier.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 16:40:09 (permalink)
X1C has brought my system to a screeching halt.

After installing X1C, 1 track of audio and 1 instance of Guitar Rig Pro 4 now causes my CPU Meter to spike at 38%. I have confirmed this with Windows Task Manager as well, so it's not just a case of a false meter read.

It also has affected my 8.5.3 installation.

I've been using Guitar Rig since version 3 on a P4 with Windows XP and 2GB RAM on up to my current i5 Windows 7 x64 w/4GB RAM and I NEVER, I mean ... NEVER had a situation where 1 freaking track and 1 effect sucked up 38% of my CPU. Not even when running 192kHz/32bit.

I see no improvement whatsoever in X1C the 38% CPU leaching aside.

If there was any way I could return X1 and get my money back I would do it in a heartbeat. After 8 months ... I've finally had enough of this sick joke.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 17:28:44 (permalink)
I am not a power user but I downloaded X1C quickly and had no problems installing it.  I then installed Panup's Darkside for X1C and then opened a number of songs I created in X1B.  On the intro to one song, I got a small hiccup in an audio track but all other tracks and songs performed without a hitch.  CPU usage was very low.  I use about 6 audio tracks for vocals and guitars, SD3, and midi for bass and keys using Dim Pro.  I know this is not a big hit on the system but there were no issues playing the songs, switching live between screen sets, playing with the mix, etc.  I use Guitar Rig 4 on all of it with some tracks frozen and others live and not problems have been noticed so far.
 
I am very happy at this point with the update.  Sorry for those of you having issues. 
 
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 17:41:17 (permalink)
Sad to hear this Bub..

Wish I could help you, but X1c is just running fine on my system. The only thing I notice is that a lot of people having problems still have 8.5.3 installed on the system. It should not interfere, but I wonder if X1 is mixing up older and newer plugins? Just a thought..

Anyway - I hope you will sort it out soon..

In the mean time I can say everything is running smooth on my system. Tried several projects with a lot of native and 3th party plugins etc. I will keep stress-testing X1c for a while however, before declaring it "fit for daily use". This is the normal procedure I always use for every upgrade on a piece of software.
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 17:46:51 (permalink)
My latest project started in Producer X1b has the same problems in X1c.  This project only has 3 instruments.  Slate drums, True Piano, and SI Base.  Sometimes the project won't load at all and Sonar goes "Not Responding" and other times while simply listening to it, it will stop and tell me the audio device is not compatible.  After a close and several re-open attempts all is happy for a while.  This is random so I have not turned in a bug report.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 18:20:14 (permalink)
I am having a great time with it! Started and important project yesterday and thru today have had no issues what so ever. Great recording program that does what I need it to do. Hopefully this project will break me into the national scene and I can tell everybody that I did it in Sonar!!!




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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 19:01:24 (permalink)
       Been running good so far. For the most part Ive been running just straight audio with light soft synth action, so no glitches or crashes. I had problems with Dim Pro in the past even with 8.5 but that was on my old PC, less ram less GHz. There are some things I miss and some new things I really like!
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 19:36:36 (permalink)
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Well, I have been playing with X1 and have had not discernable problems yet and it seems to see everything that needs to be seen, plays solid and I'm happy with that part.  The multi-thread insp[iring color issue is my only complaint because of the color spectrum I see in... makes x1 a real pain/  I will not use mods as I'm afraid of messing up the program code and making things worse.  Id prefer to spend my time learning the softsynths, add ons etc.
 
Thats why I'm staying as long as I can in 8.5.   Both are solid, but 8.5 (to me) is still better because of that one issue stated above.
 
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You REALLY should check out the latest X1c mods. They work great, automatically create a backup of your files so you can uninstall it easily, and are just cool AND free! If people were having problems with them, you would hear about it loud and clear. But they work great, are easy to use, and I see no reason to not use them. I would check them out if I were you. Remember, they are made by X1 USERS, who want that functionality for themselves, and are gracious enough to share with the community.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 19:41:28 (permalink)
X1 has been surprisingly rock solid for me since I installed it. My system doesn't meet the minimum system requirements only being a single core P4 3.2 with HT on XP SP3. The only small issue I had at first was addressed with X1a, a problem with my M-Audio driver dropping out if idle too long. That being taken care of in X1a. I've only had 1 crash to desktop when the CPU was in the red since I installed it, never a BSOD. My projects are mostly live audio but I am working on a few that has several EWQL synths, several Miroslav Philharmonic instruments and a few others. I've come to realize I will be needing to build a new machine soon to take full advantage of X1, but for now I'm getting by with what I have. I started with CW guitar tracks 2.0 GT3, MC4, Sonar 7 studio, Sonar 8.5 Pro, X1. I also have Protools 8 M-powered. X1 is my favorite by far, color scheme and all. JMHO

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 19:49:43 (permalink)
So far I'm happy, I'm glad to see quick grouping back on the busses along with the alt click function from 8.5. It was something I grew to adapt to as I was working faster in x1 to 8.5 but having it back made me realise how much I missed it and could have done with it today. I put in a feature request and really happy to see Cake listened and brought it back in the same version. now, if we could update the grouping, have the ability to colour code the console view to follow the track colours and look at automation lanes, I'd be over the moon.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 19:53:04 (permalink)
My x64 problem is unchanged--freezes about a minute into whatever tune I'm playing.  x32 is fine.  I suppose I should call tech support, but seeing as how x32 works so well, and I can use all my plugs with it--well, I'll get around to it someday.  Maybe when bit bridge is irrelevant.


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 20:16:07 (permalink)
Running great here. Two Thumbs up. This in x64.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 20:37:17 (permalink)

Issues here and there.. No major crashes so far.. but to be completely honest, I was hoping for more bug fixes.. There are quite a few bugs that have apparently been around for ages that have me scratching my head as to how they could have slipped through the cracks for so long, a couple of which were reportedly fixed but not so.. Within a half hour of using it I also ran into a new GUI bug which didn't help my confidence level any.

It seems like Cakewalk needs a more thorough testing program. X1 has been officially released for 8 or so months?? and I feel like I'm using beta software.

Out of any DAW, Sonar is my favorite as far as workflow so I REALLY REALLY want to keep using it, and I will for now but if the quickfixes don't start coming in soon, I'll likely switch back over to Reaper.




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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 21:05:34 (permalink)
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Great..... as long as you don't use drum maps. See my posts elsewhere from today's nightmare session.

Oh oh I'm afraid to ask. 

I have enough trouble with drum maps. 


It's all good now, Seth has just replied to one of my threads and given me a great tip that may even make drum maps redundant, for me at least. It only took about 5 minutes for the tip to get through my thick skull as well.


Please enlighten us, if you will. I never understood drum maps that well to begin with...

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 21:08:15 (permalink)
Well, two pretty intense sessions with a client yesterday and today, both about six hours each. Working on a remix of this slice of fried gold:

http://youtu.be/BBcPZXQPdsE
(ignore the dreadful YouTube quality of you can, trust me that the multitracks sound a million dollars).

Very excited about it. But staying on topic, sonar X1c holding up well on a project with about 40 tracks, two instances of BFD, a rapture, a few DimPros, bunch of effects and lots of edits and automation. Put down some live guitar and bass, recording most everything else on soft synths from a keyboard controller. Had one crash which I'm reasonably certain was a BFD thing, happened while we were importing some samples to it.

Caveat to this would be this how X1 has been for me generally for a good while anyway, but just reporting in.

I will say this; what a blessed relief it is having the separate snap settings back in the PRV. Like having an old very efficient friend in the session.


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 21:09:15 (permalink)
ba_midi


It's interesting to see the variation of "it's working" and "not sure" and "some problems" .... I keep thinking there's something about X1 that is really picky with hardware configs

I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 21:14:39 (permalink)
Ah! Just had the infamous grey control bar for the first time ever. Dragging it out and then back in sorts it out.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 21:56:50 (permalink)
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Well, two pretty intense sessions with a client yesterday and today, both about six hours each. Working on a remix of this slice of fried gold:

http://youtu.be/BBcPZXQPdsE
(ignore the dreadful YouTube quality of you can, trust me that the multitracks sound a million dollars).

Very excited about it. But staying on topic, sonar X1c holding up well on a project with about 40 tracks, two instances of BFD, a rapture, a few DimPros, bunch of effects and lots of edits and automation. Put down some live guitar and bass, recording most everything else on soft synths from a keyboard controller. Had one crash which I'm reasonably certain was a BFD thing, happened while we were importing some samples to it.

Caveat to this would be this how X1 has been for me generally for a good while anyway, but just reporting in.

I will say this; what a blessed relief it is having the separate snap settings back in the PRV. Like having an old very efficient friend in the session.
I love her voice..the back ground music works really well for her voice to stand out in..



I've just started mucking around with it as well...24 tracks so far and only once did I get the control bar grey out on me...did the same..drag it out and back...no probs...


I think this is a lot more stabler than the last go round which is good..although I still think that with my eyes the way they are the colours could have been a little less dark.

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 22:14:57 (permalink)
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ba_midi


It's interesting to see the variation of "it's working" and "not sure" and "some problems" .... I keep thinking there's something about X1 that is really picky with hardware configs

I think you hit the nail on the head.

I think it hit me :P



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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 22:23:33 (permalink)
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I love her voice..the back ground music works really well for her voice to stand out in..

Yeah, I think she's going to be a star. Totally looks the part, awesome songs, great voice.

I've just started mucking around with it as well...24 tracks so far and only once did I get the control bar grey out on me...did the same..drag it out and back...no probs...


I think this is a lot more stabler than the last go round which is good..although I still think that with my eyes the way they are the colours could have been a little less dark.
I would imagine colour customisation is going to work its way up the list for another update, given the amount of people still talking about. I've been saying that everyone should put a feature request in for it. I actually quite like the look of X1 in general, but I have a small handful of things I'd really like to be able to change, which I'm sure is true for pretty much everyone. It's not just a feature for the people who like a lot of customisation.

I think stability and features first is the right strategy though.


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 23:04:55 (permalink)
Hey John...what exactly do you mean by "slice of fried gold"?  Honest question.

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