So what is the considered verdic on X1 C?

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 23:11:46 (permalink)
Oh yea, I almost forgot...I'm finally in.  Downloaded and installed and now I've reinstalled Panu's new DarkSide Mods...especially the one he did for me...that boy's a wonder!!! And although I haven't really done or worked through any projects as yet I can say that some of my "weird anomalies" seem to have gone away.  So far every single time I enter the PRV the notes are actually there as they should be.  And no track...as yet...has just stopped playing.  Like Herman's Hermits once allowed...something tells me I'm into something good.  I'll keep ya posted, ol pals.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 23:19:22 (permalink)
Verdict for me is, sonar x1 is a no go....period.  Doesn't work.  The update was cool, but too many fundamental things have issues for it to be worth using. If I were looking for a new daw, I'd definitely look elsewhere.  Sorry, wanted really bad to love you sonar and I probably will keep trying you on occasion since you have potential.
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/17 23:35:28 (permalink)
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Verdict for me is, sonar x1 is a no go....period.  Doesn't work.  The update was cool, but too many fundamental things have issues for it to be worth using. If I were looking for a new daw, I'd definitely look elsewhere.  Sorry, wanted really bad to love you sonar and I probably will keep trying you on occasion since you have potential.



I'm in the same boat.

After testing things out more extensively today, I've come to the conclusion that in it's current state, I can't reliably use this program on my system. 

I'll keep an eye out for quickfixes and updates so I can try them out.. but for now I'm moving back over to Reaper for my projects. 

Arg.. That was a lot of money though :( I guess I only have myself to blame. When I heard about the quickfix program and X1C I decided to take a leap of faith.. Unfortunately, I landed on my head.




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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 00:00:29 (permalink)
Yeah I wasted a lot of money on it as well :(
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 03:04:43 (permalink)
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Great..... as long as you don't use drum maps. See my posts elsewhere from today's nightmare session.

Oh oh I'm afraid to ask. 

I have enough trouble with drum maps. 


It's all good now, Seth has just replied to one of my threads and given me a great tip that may even make drum maps redundant, for me at least. It only took about 5 minutes for the tip to get through my thick skull as well.


Please enlighten us, if you will. I never understood drum maps that well to begin with...


If you use the step sequencer you can set each individual row to a different output port and then save it as a step sequencer pattern. It's not as powerful as the dum map manager 'cos AFAIK you can't remap the in notes to different out notes but for 95% of my maps it'll be fine.

The other fly in the ointment as pointed out by brundlefly is that it doesn't work for the PRV which is where I do most of my editing once I've sorted out the basic beat in the step sequencer.

This all came about yesterday after I found a few suspected bugs in the PRV and step sequencer two of which only showed with a drum map as the ouput.
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 03:24:18 (permalink)
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Myself I have gone through many Woes with X1 from the start.. My computer was running windows Xp 3rd edition 32 bit. My Audio Device was the Tascam Fw 1884. Since then I have upgraded to Windows 7 64 bit. I also installed a 60 gig SSD just for programs . and I use A WD Raptor drive for all my content, I also purchased the new roland quad capture Usb audio device. 
NOw My experience is night and day from before, My only real issues at the moment is the 64 bit/ Bitbridge issues that are inherent with 64 bit . Although I have slimmed down on my plugins and efxs and I'm trying to only use native 64bit plugins , I have not had any obscure crashes ,pop clicks or any thing thats would categorize as a show stopper or annoyance .. X1C so far looks very promising for me on my system. So I am at very good place with Sonar X1 at the moment. Yeah took a few dollars , but all seems pretty good here..  My only recent issue was the Pro channel and automating of the on/off button where it would not deactivate when the automation called for it.. Since then I haven't used the PC but will give it whirl again soon. 
The one thing I havn't notice was the quick load times as some are claiming ,My projects load pretty quick as it is before x1c maybe due because of the SSD , Although I havn't notice a difference in load times with x1c . I'm Just happy everything loads and works as intended . WAy to Cw 

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 04:14:56 (permalink)
All working fine here.

FBB - you'll be pleased to know (well ,I am) that the X1C update seems to have cured my problems with screensets. They don't crash Sonar and I can switch/edit/rename/lock without problems.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 04:30:45 (permalink)
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All working fine here.

FBB - you'll be pleased to know (well ,I am) that the X1C update seems to have cured my problems with screensets. They don't crash Sonar and I can switch/edit/rename/lock without problems.


Good to hear it mate, they are great. How did you know I liked them?
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 05:12:27 (permalink)
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 05:46:41 (permalink)
Screenset.... so, so awesome....! I join FBB's Screensets fanclub!

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 05:49:32 (permalink)
Completely agree.

I've still to really get going with them, but with just a couple I've set up, the time saving is immense compared with having to configure them all manually, then back again once you've finished a certain task.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 05:55:03 (permalink)
When I first didn't get them to work I thought that I didn't really need them. The multidock, Inspector and Controlbar had everything I needed.

However, when I realized they worked I started playing with them and *poof*! I was addicted! Speeds things up for sure! I just need to work out this lock/unlock thing. What works best for which screensets and what is actually locked

But they're like sliced bread, not entirely neccesary but sure makes life comfortable!

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 06:11:10 (permalink)
They've only just started to work for me in X1C - in X1B & prior, selecting any of them would cause an instant, repeatable crash.

I was actually smiling when I was working with X1C last night.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 07:16:57 (permalink)
I got them started with the X1b update. I relized I didn't only have one floppy controller messing with them, I had two! But the screensets were kind of flakey. However, with the X1b, for some reason they started working. Could be after a quick fix but I only discovered it after installing X1b... and some more quick fixes perhaps. Man I've lost track of the updates.

But it clearly shows that X1 use the computer resources differently from previous versions. Funny how that works and my guess it's part of the problem, and sollution Either way, the implemention of Screensets is a gem!

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 07:44:53 (permalink)
Either way, the implemention of Screensets is a gem!

Rubbish ......... er.... I mean absolutely.

They are very powerful for speeding up workflow and time saving. I mean once set up is there a quicker way of hiding all MIDI or audio? That's just one example they are almost limitless in their uses.

I went into a bit of a panic when the snap to became global but there is a variable that you can set to allow per screenset snaps. Just add IncludeSnapInScreenset=1 to your initialization file in Preferences->File if you decide you need different snaps.

I'd better stop there or I'll be raving about them all day...........
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 07:56:00 (permalink)
So far for me, X1 has been working fine. A few issues with the initial release, but after the first big patch, it's been rock solid ever since. I've not recorded anything in X1c yet, but I've been mixing and editing on it. So far no problems other than a crash with Revalver 3 upon closing down the plug. Could have been an anomaly...but other than that, no issues to report here yet. Saturday I'm going to try a huge test project in X1c to see how it fairs. I'll report back if there is anything to report. I still use 8.5 for all my client work at the moment, but X1b had me pretty convinced it was stable.

My biggest issues with X1 are of course the color thing, custom stuff I can't do any longer and the new work flow. The new way of doing things is probably my biggest issue because I'm just so set in my old ways. I can't blame that on X1 though, I blame myself for not conforming to the future. That said, it would have been nice to have an "old ways" option availble for people like me. :)

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:02:09 (permalink)
After a bit of a learning curve, I am now finding X1 way, way faster and more efficient to work in.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:17:37 (permalink)
I haven't truly "kicked the tires" with X1C so far.  Just installed it and I did see project open much faster than prior versions.  Played the projects without any dropouts.  I modified some midi data. Didn't get a chance to add any new soft synths. I don't do the loop construction stuff.  Mainly just soft synths, audio, and VST plugins for the most part.

I didn't really have much issue with X1B, so I didn't expect any major issue here as well.

I hope to push it a bit more this weekend and see if I have any issues, but to this point all is well.  Thanks Cake!

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:23:11 (permalink)
I think I need to decide at the very outset how I want ALL of my screensets to look - name them all and save as my start-up template.

Otherwise I could be re-inventing the wheel every time I want a different view.


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:35:44 (permalink)
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I think I need to decide at the very outset how I want ALL of my screensets to look - name them all and save as my start-up template.

Otherwise I could be re-inventing the wheel every time I want a different view.


  This is why I want global layouts back! It was in 8.5 that I started using them and liked them a lot after a forum member showed me how to keybind them. It reminded me of Logic.  
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:52:34 (permalink)
Global layouts must surely warrant a feature request for a future update.

I'll do one now, and suggest anyone else who can visualise the power of S/S to do the same.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 08:53:31 (permalink)
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I've been dead in the water with it.  Crash city.

However, I'm setting up one of my powerful laptops with windows7 fresh to see how it goes there.   I have no trouble with 3 other major DAWS/hosts on my main system, though.  Only X1.

So we'll see if I can get a stable go at it with a different system.

Sorry to hear you're having continued problems billy. It's become usable for me but in light of the troubles I had it's going to be in "quarantine" for a while before It becomes a prodcution tool. But it is now stable in that no white screens from  jsut sitting idle, projects load fast and system seems really smooth functioning. No more disappearing control bar even with the "recipe" I can't make it disappear but then again when it used to go to black for me it had nothing to do with auto save settings. Prochannel now seems to remember it's on/off state.
 
I've had a 4 minute project of some 40 tracks, 30 fx and 10 VSTis processing in real time on a continuous loop )recording to a stereo mox) running for hour after hour with no freezes, white screens, dropouts or other identifiable issues.
 
That's light years in function from X1B anything and fullfils the hope I had in X1C fixiing things up for me.
 
But of course I've also been running a business for 8 months where X1 was not usable. A time when I had to make decisions about how to continue so now I have work out where X1C fits into my plans.
 
Certainly it's great to be able to finally come to grips with the GUI and the other changes without the software always disappearing, locking up etc. It will sure make learning about it the pleasure I wished it had been from the start. I don't have any negative comments to make about my X1C experience so far but we'll see what that translates to in real terms as I test it more. 
 
Because I had to stay with SONAR 8.5.3 and it took 8 months to get to a stable X1 release for me to use, I made a choice whether to just wait and hope that all would work out with X1, remain with an  End of Line DAW (SONAR 8.5.3) or cast a broader net in search of software on which to base my studio. I decided that I would look at the available toolsets rather than the specific names of DAWS and just get what I wanted. That way I can use the tool that will do the job I want and I will be able to continue to stay at the front of the technology curve rather than at the back of it. So in 8 months I've come to grips with quite a few more DAWS than I had in the past. What that's done for me is made me look mre at what I want to do or what a client wants me to do for them rather than letting myself be molded by the DAW I now just use the DAW that can provide the tools that let me get the job done. While it's true that most DAWS will get the job done, there are undeniable strengths that can be associated with various DAWS.
 
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 10:23:06 (permalink)
Hi guys...

Just Updated to X1c... working fine... except for one weird behavior:

Now, whenever I run Sonar, right after the logo splash screen, i keep getting the message/prompt "Sonar will now personalize your settings.... this will take a minute or less... press ok to continue or cancel to abort..."...

Trouble being... it does it EVERY time I run the program, while it should be supposed to do it just ONCE, after updating....!

Any one experiencing this...? any possible solution...?


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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 10:29:14 (permalink)
Did you run it as an administrator? I would goto to the folder and set that in its properties. 

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 10:33:48 (permalink)
Hello, John... thanks for very quick reply....


  yes, I always run it as administrator, and this is the very first time I experience this redundant pop-up....  
...as explained, it's already happened after any previous updating (x1a, X1b...) but just ONCE, as I believe it is supposed to do...

weird.....

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 10:41:23 (permalink)
I don't get that in just patching. There was a thread or post on it that I can't recall. But it can be fixed. Is UAC off? 

It is not normal behavior. It should happen once and not again if at all.

I'm not going to try and guess what you should do because I will most likely give bad advice. Hopefully someone has the answer.  

They may not see your post here so perhaps a new thread will help. Sorry I can't be of greater help.

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 10:49:29 (permalink)
yes, mate... UAC is off...

...You're right... In fact I was about to start a new thread, but I gave it a try here, just in case....


...thank you all the same John... I appreciate anyway.... 



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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 13:27:40 (permalink)
RODAB: I notice you and Audiyo seem to be having similar issues - but neither of you mention exactly what they are or what type of systems you're running. I'm having issues too but it's been discussed elsewhere and here -- so I'm curious to know what your issues are in case there are similarities either in our usage approach or our systems. MAYBE we can discover something of use to ourselves, others, and CW. So any details you and audiyo can provide I think might be helpful in this regard. Thanks.
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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 13:38:39 (permalink)
ba_midi I've been dead in the water with it. Crash city. However, I'm setting up one of my powerful laptops with windows7 fresh to see how it goes there. I have no trouble with 3 other major DAWS/hosts on my main system, though. Only X1. So we'll see if I can get a stable go at it with a different system. Sorry to hear you're having continued problems billy. It's become usable for me but in light of the troubles I had it's going to be in "quarantine" for a while before It becomes a prodcution tool. But it is now stable in that no white screens from jsut sitting idle, projects load fast and system seems really smooth functioning. No more disappearing control bar even with the "recipe" I can't make it disappear but then again when it used to go to black for me it had nothing to do with auto save settings. Prochannel now seems to remember it's on/off state. I've had a 4 minute project of some 40 tracks, 30 fx and 10 VSTis processing in real time on a continuous loop )recording to a stereo mox) running for hour after hour with no freezes, white screens, dropouts or other identifiable issues. That's light years in function from X1B anything and fullfils the hope I had in X1C fixiing things up for me. But of course I've also been running a business for 8 months where X1 was not usable. A time when I had to make decisions about how to continue so now I have work out where X1C fits into my plans. Certainly it's great to be able to finally come to grips with the GUI and the other changes without the software always disappearing, locking up etc. It will sure make learning about it the pleasure I wished it had been from the start. I don't have any negative comments to make about my X1C experience so far but we'll see what that translates to in real terms as I test it more. Because I had to stay with SONAR 8.5.3 and it took 8 months to get to a stable X1 release for me to use, I made a choice whether to just wait and hope that all would work out with X1, remain with an End of Line DAW (SONAR 8.5.3) or cast a broader net in search of software on which to base my studio. I decided that I would look at the available toolsets rather than the specific names of DAWS and just get what I wanted. That way I can use the tool that will do the job I want and I will be able to continue to stay at the front of the technology curve rather than at the back of it. So in 8 months I've come to grips with quite a few more DAWS than I had in the past. What that's done for me is made me look mre at what I want to do or what a client wants me to do for them rather than letting myself be molded by the DAW I now just use the DAW that can provide the tools that let me get the job done. While it's true that most DAWS will get the job done, there are undeniable strengths that can be associated with various DAWS. Bit of a waffle on but that's where I am at now. Don't think I'll eve be locked to any one DAW ever again. regards, Mike V.
Mike, I'm having trouble using the quoting system on this forum for some reason -- but ... I don't think I'll be locked into any one DAW anymore as well. Last night I was working in Abelton Live and having a blast. It doesn't crash or burp -- so smooth. But I've been doing most of my 'serious' work in 8.5.3 and frankly, other than the annoyances everyone knows about and has to workaround, it hasn't crashed on me in a LONG LONG LONG time (though it's not as smooth as Live or Studio One). It's a shame X1 and I just can't seem to get to first base yet, but as I've said a few times, I'd be willing to bet than on totally 'fresh' hardware and fresh windows 7 installation X1 does a lot better. That's good and bad, but I definitely want to be able to have X1 in my tool set of DAWS at the end of the day, so to speak. And, I've actually had somewhat of a good time learning multiple DAWS like Live and Abelton, etc. THe fact is they function similarly at the basics, but each one brings a new perspective; so it adds to the creative process in that regard. Whatever works as they say ;)

Billy Arnell (ba-midi)

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Re:So what is the considered verdic on X1 C? 2011/08/18 13:44:16 (permalink)
Like Herman's Hermits once allowed...something tells me I'm into something good.

 
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