Sorry Bob...Win 7 64bit professional this time round....less things to tweak and turn off.
 
ASUS CPU settings are in my BOIS...
1. intel (R) HT tech enabled=all= all cores active.
2. Active Processor cores= ALL= number of threads to be enabled in each processor Package.
 
No such animal resides where you claim in win 7 Pro..on my machine or updated build...and the pic proves me right.
 
So lets drop that now...as I proved I know where the settings are...cause I just went and checked that out...as my mead consumption lead me to remember doing that tweak in Bios many time over and over, and over...before.
 
And you asked me, and I said isn't that in Bios?....and you posted this crap to make me run around for nothing more than once!...that is a circle to me...and I am tired Bob...and time is wasting away....this is serious, and I have been months here on these forums asking for help....and getting the run around till today with guesses and laptop links to Power management or what you say you have on your system...ultimate....is not pro win 7.
 
I I think if I follow back...when I mentioned the reinstall and posted the page of something here....it state it on that page.
 
Again circles Bob...circles...read up...or leave me alone....But do not imply I do not read and do things that are already done....and then bash me for being suppior and knowing everything.....and saying things that are not true....cause I hate that Bob.
 
Now...I have taken word that you both have better things to do than service me....with your knowledge of Sonar...and have walked away from this.
 
Please excuse my anger...and my words of frantic expressions to gain your ATTENTION ...I am not stupid...And I know what I have to do...it has to be done...no way around it...and it is not plug and play.
 
Tweaking the services...and background applications of security...firewall...and such first.
 
But I will let em go on untweaked...Just to show you more pics of cpu Spikes...
 
I also found the CPU metering...and all cores are 100% in win 7,,,,But I have to run help and then get in to it....it shows a lot of things .
 
two processors were parked when I went into see it working....not sure what that means..but I had nothing running.
 
With the Microsoft tweaks of the auto updates...turned off....sonar x3c still has spikes going on....and as in the pic those spikes go into the red zone...
So that is not good for my CPU....nor my r 16 desk hitting the red all the time.
 
And I do not want to burn either of those things while you banter me with this kind of behavior ....I'm past the basic level of tweaking simple things Bob.
 
So lets move on from there please.,,,with better attitude towards my skill level , and words of ethics being used by me.....Thank You Bob.

robert_e_bone
 
With a desktop, there is NEVER any reason to worry about saving power, and particularly for streaming audio applications, such as Sonar, you want the most horsepower your CPU cores can give, 100% of the time.
 
 

Won't running full blast generate more heat, so more wear'n'tear and fan noise ?
 
I can see you might need max power doing certain operations, but isn't it a good idea to let things cool down when you're not ?
 
My CPU is 140w, that's quite a lightbulb to be turned on all the time.
 
I'm no expert on this, and have wondered what it actually means to set the minimum state of the CPU to 100% when it's not doing anything.
 

Now when I did do those VIPER TWEAKS..I printed up back in the hay day of win7 new comings..for AUDIO SETUPS..in xp and win7 many moons ago, and months ago to get things going...when that was printed  I cannot remember...I went into googling the tweaks to read up, even though Viper described the app or services well enough TO DISABLE back then when win 7 came out.
to see if there were issues....with the new crowed os...And I believe in those tweaks more now, the more I trust to use them, and turn off services, the better it gets perhaps?...it seems today, I have the proof with x2a working well enough with some of them employed Just Pryor this build of the fresh Win 7 OS now! 
 
 
Can weSolve for X...if the proving of those tweaks has done this for me in the last build?...and in this build with no tweaks at all in some regards...even the ones I know are cultprits for causing havoc in software...like virus programs and malware, firewall...and security apps...these are known to cause problems...but no, leave them on...is asked of me now here on this build....I do not see the logic in that anymore...with the proof and solutions I have witnessed first hand with the tweaks working.
 
Now this is a last resort method for last resort tactics ...radical thinking...and most of all, not to be done blindly or without proper researching the services before doing any!
 
 
So...no worries....if we are going to crash the pc by AlexS suggestions to turn on Plug and Play...with out him ever seeing my system with it on,or hands on with it at all...and I have...and the plug and play doesn't get turned off for no reason here....everything has a reason with me....cause I been there, and I have tried that and this and other things...because people told me to..and I let them guide me to horrific and then...to system bliss with that plug and play off on this machine with audio in mind.
 
I turned off the onboard sound card in THE BIOS....1402.
Sonar x3c is still showing cpu spikes...into the red.
 
I turned off the defender, and firewall now.
 
Let us see what happens next.
 
baby steps of my own methods now.

Well where is the cure in leaving background apps running AlexS...and now tweaks, to agreeing with Bob to Tweak things in Power management for the cpu power or cores that does not exist, and yet agreeing with him..and saying I know it all and because You means I know nothng...cause Bob is right all the time as you both believe in yourselves on that ...never mind other things.....You say I know it all, and then say your leaving....and Bob to...And we both know it means I am stupid....
 
Yet I can tweak the system just past build...with no help, and take risks, and do those tweaks on my own...and gain less spikes in the software of Sonar.
 
Now You address me with banter again....and yet those magic beans I have printed up seemed to work on this very System with the same drivers, same motherboard...with x2a to some degree...and the tweaks I have are not the new ones...they are old....So if I go to that site and read up...I may gain even better results!
 
Magic beans  have in some regard made the last build workable with sonar x2a to some degree.....as I am having issues still with your advise so far!...as a Microsoft X tech told me in this thread post back a bit...they do not fix things if they do not have to.....wink

Thanks AlexS...I agree mostly with the rage!
 
And You take note of that rage of Spock in that pic...and multiply it by 100...and then realize how nice I have been in taming my temper, posting here for months for x1, x2, x2a,.......and getting to this state now...with x3c all recorded here...and still with help, it is starting off again with Help...and No one knows what to do other than ....?...some tech wizard? and secret tweaks?...Now I am not that wizard...But some of his tips calm down the cpu cpu spikes and crashing....So I was able to record and make projects of a reasonable accomplishment with no clicks pops buzzes and crap...on the line...And that says something is valid with those tips....I did not imploy them all as I have no clue what is need in sonar to work.
 
 
I would love to turn off all networking stuff...But is that need for sonar?...or other software?...I do not write the code.
I know I do not need Fax services running...SO I turned it off...and other things I know are safe...in Win Services.
 
So I am leaning towards hashing this with someone who knows what there doing...You seem to know...
 
SO let us stop dicking around here...all this has been said before...and we are wasting time arguing  about power management settings....and I said before bob even posted his requests to do so.....I have done the power management tweaks...to stop win 7 from going to sleep and turning off my hardware.!
 
So some one is not reading...I do not need a abc's to power management Advance page on a laptop to make me go in circles...I think I pointed that out!
 
Pic speaks for itself.
 
Point made...I know where things are mostly, and if I do not know Internet is wonderful...cause I can find my own pictures that do apply to the win 7 build I am running....Another thing Bob over looked in the System info page I posted....and asks again for my version after posting it.
 
Now if you agree with bob on that power management debuckle...and nuff off saying you been here too long ... I have to ask ..Why am I letting you two Guide me?...I been bashing at this for months, And I am still here...and trying to help others as I go through this.
 
So my temper is tamed down real nice ...I hope you can appreciate that AlexS....To see it all Starting off again in a new Build of win 7 plain ...With those services..and internet on...Just because you asked me to follow your methods....(Which I have tried countless time on my own)...that is why I am here since months...and I found a tech at allen and heath who told me to turn off the internet nic and remove the driver
 for it....But we progress...leave the internet on, do not install the allen and heath driver...everything is ok with the plain clean install of win 7.....Nice...but as soon as that desk driver is installed...win 7 hanged on a download
 
SO just installing drivers for the devices is hard...DO YOU SEE MY POINT ALEXS....And I have the formula...SO leaving the defaults default...and things running in background do not help me...
 
And I do not want to use the onboard sound card with sonar.....
 
Now my TEST PIC..has a lot of info in it...if you gleen it....time stamp, might not see the time of the  win task bar clock but it is there, and this might help find out what happened in win 7 in event viewer...to cause it....and seek it out.
 
Radical thinking AlexS....That is what I need....here...and we turn it off if we can!

So I tried some more tweaking...in services.
I turned off things that were not stopped by MSconfig that Microsoft remote viewer used to stop them auto updates. 
After he did that , and since last nights testing....spiking still occurring.
I ran End Task to see what was running in the background...as most folks do, while sonar was running.
 
svchost had a lot of instances..about or more than 10 ....what is that doing?
Google tool bar updater...(turned off in Msconfig service and startup setting) still running.
Adobe updater,,,(turned off in Msconfig)...still running.
Micosoft told me not to turn anything off in services...ALEX commented in that Microsoft do not fix things they do not have to...and they do not want to go through event viewer errors, as it could take hours, days, and even weeks of hashing out and routing down the bad guy...in and out quickly is the order of Microsoft tech support..Implied By ALEXs towards me...
..which usually ends up to be a win service that is redundant on most home systems causing the issues.
 
Microsoft telling me not to touch the services...means google and adobe will be on and running their auto updaters in every boot I do.
 
So I ended that with a tweak...and fax, and asp.net, and some firewall, and defender, and some other things...
 
and ran sonar x3c...Hay a reduction of cpu spikes...now it only goes up about half the way to red....see?
I will try to take a snap with the windows meter running along side sonar in record mode....it is hard to catch, But I did it before, I can do it again....and the snap will help guide someone to the event viewer instance perhaps...and we can route out some more service culprits...perhaps?
 
and with both cpu meters running...I think we can say one will be doing more cpu intensive monitoring than the other, and depending on what is being interfered with...one will be showing less cpu usage...which is what the Microsoft tech viewer was gauging to complete the session.
 
And we can know the time..it happened by looking at the pic....and route that out instead of my setup of power management and or win 7 defaults as asked to leave alone....which we all know cannot be done...if we have to turn off things that cause sleep, and monitor shut off, and drive power cut, and such and so.....RIGHT?...it has to be tweaked....how to tweak services right is dependant on the software and hardware being used...right?...So we should know this in some form of info posted...so some of us can tweak if need be....I say...But it is not posted.
 

svchost had a lot of instances..about or more than 10 ....what is that doing?
Google tool bar updater...(turned off in Msconfig service and startup setting) still running.
Adobe updater,,,(turned off in Msconfig)...still running.

 
svchost is a root process that actually runs a service(s). If you right-click on it a pop-up menu will allow you to see which service the svchost process is hosting (Win7).
 
MsConfig is kind of rudimentary for managing startup - so I use Norton Utilities 15 (Win 7). Here, you can see the complete list of startups and where they come from; the all users startup folder, your startup folder, run, run once, run services, run services once, and so on. You can temporarily disable or completely remove whatever is required.
 
Of course, it also has a feature for optimizing OS services and it will provide you with suitable recommendations; you can also manually stop services if you want to. It will also allow you to restore your original services setting All-in-all, much easier than running Regedit and MsConfig.
 
It's well worth it if your a PC hound and you frequently wind up maintaining/optimizing your (and your family and friends...) computer.

Now I got some pics...some pretty good of the end task and sonar x3c spiking along side it, and another one with the win 7 cpu meter, and sonar spiking...although I did not get the snap at the right moment to capture the full state of the spike...I caught the tail dropping off..seems sonar is cpu meter is showing overload events that are of un scene nature on the other win 7 metering
I think that showed 12%..not 80%...So why is sonar showing spikes like that if the system cpu meter only shows 12%
 
Interesting stuff...
 
Now once I get some help posting pics....
And my point made about cpu spiking going down some since the few tweaks I did do.
 
I will finish my word as a Christian for AlexS...and turn on the plug and play in my bios....Cause I am like that.

Wow...thanks rkl122
 
More words of pondering..:
I think to make my points clear to some with what is going to be posted as pictures hopefully....soon.?
 
I'm not looking to kill win 7 or any app that is necessary to work other programs or devices ...YET TO BE INSTALLED...but the system I am working on cannot use internet for very good reason....so to tweak the services of redundant bloat is best...like auto updates....and while in there I always see a SERVER running...and other things for internet....like dial up IP...and stuff like that..".fax"... which I have no need for, and networks or networking stuff...as this machine I am addressing is not connected to any network...no home groups or anything like that....It is made exclusively for MUSIC MAKING>
Seeing as that is as it is,NO INTERNET=STABILITY because that is the way it has to be because of the ALLEN AND HEATH R16 issues with INTERNET NICs...and I have proven it to the boys who know more about sonar and windows than I do...nothing coming from them about much to do with tweaking anything...other than the power management...and that the engine in sonar is buggy and to turn it off..or delete a Aud,ini in the pryor build.
And suspect my parts and labours...calling them suspect or me misguided in my logical progressions, and some Avid tech helped tips and tricks to get the system working in past efforts with Focusrite pro 40 ....but I see merit with my progress in the last build with sonar x2a form x1 with my tweaks (because no one was helping here for months.....but I kept on posting...and posting, and posting....So Yah..take it into my own hands and tweak was my resolve!!... and I got some works done with that established in x2a and that pryor corrupted win 7 build because of x1 and x2 crashing and dumping...and x3 came out, when I bought that thinking it would solve my issues...it made them worse!!!....,and here we are all spanking brand new build of win 7 pro...and being told not to tweak anything......
 
 
Thanks for reading in people...not saying this will happen to anyone else....But if it does...there are radical solutions.
Now in sonar..some of them radicals seem to be working!!!
 
Just saying!

Oh looking into that program there rkl122...is that legal to use on software?...it seems like it helps one see things of the softwares make up..which may violate my licence .?

Well, I think I did enough screen snapping...Got some good info with that.
 
And I have turned back on the plug and play in the Bios Cause AlexS believes it is my problem...Not so.
I will now try to snap some of that behavior...Will post soon to show the result... sonar is IDOL, record buttons armed...not recording.
I will also run the DCP latency checker with a record session of 16 tracks of nothing but air with my settings to prove by snapping more info.
 
What is happening now is worse than with plug and play off in Bios...in regards to cpu spikes in sonar.
 
So I believe what is happening now, as I feared would happen, is the irq raster is now shared by Win 7 more so, with no exceptions...taking all that tweaking and tossing it out the window...
 
I had it working much better with out it on....had the cpu spikes calmed down to about half.
 
Please stand by...I have guests for the holidays, they Just arrived tonight...So this is not my first priority at the moment.
 
Sorry for any delays...But it's the season they say for more mead.
 
Sir Les
 
 

" />Dec 2 running task manager cpu meter along side sonar cpu spiking...does not happen or get noticed in the win 7 cpu metering .

" />Dec 5 cpu and DPC running in full record mode, Just the defaults of sonar plugs...nothing else...spiking again through the roof it says...

" />Idol record mode, task mngr end task..no pnp.

Thanks Paul...I will try to make sure all USB devices are disconnected...But I have a mouse and keyboard which has to stay....
 
I am going for the full viper tweaks in services,...As my own are Just 3rd party services and some secrutiy and fax services, and ASP.Net turned off.... and Going to turn off PLUG and Play to get the cpu down again, and then do the nasty ...which I know some here do not think will do anything and or may cause win 7 to stutter and such...But like I said radical things have to take place, cause this is last resort measures....
 
Funny thing is Propellerheads Reason 7 was working with no issues.
And fruityloops 11...the only problem pointed at By Bob , was the plugin for bitmapping Like rewire and bitbridge were not installed right, on the last installed version of win 7 Ultimate< I was not using them >....which we wiped out, and did a clean install of win 7 Professional during this post....cause the mess x1 and x2 made of the system, was too deeply done to try to fix.
 
With a clean install, of all Drivers = buggy performance was noted ..
System hang on download of Driver for Addictive Drummer...eye candy...with IE 11.
 
So right from the start before installing any software..the system was showing issues with the Allen and heath/ Nic card for internet.
Which I was informed happens, and cannot be resolved in any working union...the solution is to remove the Nic card, and take out the drivers....so that done, we find the behavior above with only a few things installed.
 
This leads me to believe the cpu metering is false...but something is causing it to jump and cause clicks, pops, drop outs and software crashing...also noting now that sonar is dropping the audio device...