What power supply are you using on this system?  Also, how many fans?
 
Bob Bone

And your power supply and fan situation?
 
Bob Bone
 

> even if I did a new install...it would be trashed on updating....like this was.
 
Seriously Bob, wipe the partition, install windows, your virus scanner (hope you are using just one virus scanner), your latest drivers (http://forum.cakewalk.com/Driver-Boost-m2928792.aspx) and Sonar. Run windows update. Try to avoid installing anything else for the moment. Then take note of the date and time once this is done, and then take a look at the event viewer every day for a week from that time (ignore previous errors). Assuming it is stable then backup (so you can rollback if necessary) and consider installing whatever else you need. Keep it simple. Then slowly install what you need.... Be minimalistic. Try to avoid your tweaking obsession. Keep watching that event viewer every day and attempt to diagnose and fix issues one by one rather than put in blanket optimizations. The less you do at first the better just get it running (try to avoid divx, blue ray etc etc). Try to treat your PC like a delicate little flower. Cheers.
 
> WIN 7 installs & corrupts itself
 
There is nothing in the messages you pasted that show any serious issue with windows, just third party apps getting in the way of Sonar, and (extremely strange) IIS / ASP.NET.

I am a bit confused.  Your motherboard specs indicate native Firewire support.  What is the purpose of the added card?
 
Bob Bone
 
 

Well Bob your asking a lot of reasonable Questions...
Ilok also, codemeter...was installed.
I forgot that in the list above.
The motherboard is older now, and is no longer getting updates, the bios is updated to the latest one...so no worries there.
And the motherboard drivers were supplied by Microsoft mostly...only the usb and usb 3 , and marvel controller drivers were needed from Asus's drivers.
 
As for onboard firewire A 400 ...it is disabled in Bios for a reason..it is not using a chip recommended by Allen and Heath...So the Firewire B 400/800 card is in place...in a unshared slot...windows takes care of that driver aswell.
 
The conflict is with internet nic and allen and heath....it was mentioned to me by Allen and heath technical support over the phone.
 
That is why I do not usually connect that machine to the internet....again are you reading my posts, or are they too long?...? or just gleening over?
 
So now for the news given by second Microsoft technician who called me at 11,25pm est.
 
He said in full voice...what is your problem?....I said look into the event viewer and see the logs of errors and warnings and go through them, to see if they need resolution.
As it was, last night I reinstalled win 7 pro, and did updates most of the night, and into the morning hours to get the system fresh..
Once done these errors and event logs were noticed , with some odd behavior.
he said show me those errors...when I opened event viewer, he said I will delete all the events...and tomorrow I will come back to see what is going on.
 
I explained ,Win update installed IE 11, which was very buggy,(internet and audio driver conflicts?) did not go to URLs of known working places for downloads of software, and drivers....I started a software download, and the IE 11 crashed the OS...the OS Hanged , did not respond to end task, as end task could not be invoked....and I then reset manually the system.
 
the onboard internet card has issues with the external Allen and heath audio device.......He said this is not a Microsoft problem, take that up with you device manufactures.
 
I said they are crashing on Microsoft software...so it is in part your problem as well, at least look and see...and IE 11 is also Microsoft...so is event viewer...and all those services and apps running in the back ground I do not need running if I eventually will not use internet..once all the system is fixed...I will turn internet off......but you do not want to look into Microsoft things it seems at this point.
 
He told me to stop and listen...I said you asked me a question, and I have the right to answer, and take as long as I need to express this to you to the answers, so you understand....there are ISS and ASP.Net  managing issues needing to be addressed, as this is continually being logged as happening but failing to resolve because something is not installed, or turned off....So perhaps turning it on, letting it resolve, and turning it back off again might stop it?
 
No everything is fine he said, and asked to close the session.
 
I said Ok , but tomorrow you will look into the viewer for any new error logs....and resolve them right?....he said we will see tomorrow between 9pm and 11pm.
 
That was it.
 
So...it was a waste of my time waiting for this to happen for just another day to come to mead.
One says one thing, to give me hope, and another points the finger away from any resolve soon....
 
SO Sorry folks for the long waits.
and broken lists, and long posts.....it does seem Sonar is working...dimension Pro is not working and the icon has gone white.,,,not sure why that has happened...it was fine this morning.
 
I have more software to install...I am tired...one more drink of berry Juice, and I am calling it a night.
 
thanks for the support folks....But this is going to be hard to solve for if I keep using the net on that machine.
So I am turning it off...till I finish installing my software.

Thanks Bob...but some of the questions you ask I have answered in previous posts.
 
My Power supplies I use exclusively in my builds are made by Corsair and go in spec between 750watts and 850 watts...more than enough power is supplied to the system mother boards...I believe it is a 850 watter I put in that Music machine..but if it is a 750 watt supply it is no of concern as it is working well.
 
I see you are reading into the events...as one is saying power might be a issue...it is not power shortage that caused the error there...I turned off the system because it was hanging!...by reset button....I know this is not the best solution, but sometimes it is the only one to do to solve for the hanging of Win 7...or xp...as I have no way to gain control of the OS when in that state.
 
So ,.,,removing the firewire B 400/8000 and using the onboard firewire is not going to work with the allen and heath audio desk properly either....As it is not recommended to use this onboard firewwire chipset.
As it is disabled in Bios, there should be no conflicting issues with the one installed..
But perhaps You may have more reason to believe it does, than I...as I am not up to speed with win 7, and these boards and how they work....when turning things off in Bios...and how the os and mb resolve that.
 
I have not neglected to inform...if I am using a PCIe x1 firewire card, do you think having the onboard one would work well?...No...in my specs that are tagged to my posts...You will see I have installed a 800 firewire card, and made not to put redundant things or pairing same devices in play....redundant things have been turned off in Bios..in the statements below the specs of my system Bob,,,no disrespect, but in every post your Question has been answered in some way...and all the posts I have made over many moons...and such Bob....THanks for reading up on the events....and doing some leg work... all of you...very helpful indeed ...
 
It seems the install of Sonar products along side the others was part my fault in doing incorrectly...perhaps.
Also Somewhere something was not installed correctly with Bitbridge or rewire...and Acid/sony/FL studio/Propellerhead/ has installed a lot of Plugins and such in past installs..and will continue to do so if I do not resolve some issues with OS knowledge of how to install them..
I also have some Wave Musicians Bundle, and Sasquatch Plug ins I want to use on the Music system....Some 32 bit and some 64 bit....(Sonar counted in total 280 plugins when scanning)
I will also be installing East west Play and using three libraries of theirs soon.
Also have to install XT midi device, and the Korg Kronos x stuff again.
 
Installing them softwares more neatly and with admin rights given by following the advice of you Bob, and any instructions by the manufacturing companies of these thing, and compatibility  mode for some sony products and others...if this should work out..But I believe that compatibility mode is questionable..as Acid Pro 7 crashes period on all the OSs I used it on.
 
As the 2nd tech said, There is nothing wrong with the new install of win 7 at this point, and everything is working and has been installed ok..in regards to updates....(So I got that right
? )...even though we have new errors and warnings and critical errors happening at the get go...it's normal...So AlexS is correct on that common remark...( So let's wait a bit for Microsoft to chime in  tonight,  so you do not waste leg work on this...I will ask for a summation be written down of the things done/found, and how they were resolved more technically speaking...SO I can post some stuff up for others to read who are having issues like I was.
 
Seems the Admin install the way you instructed, might be the cure all.
And using compatibility mode for older applications might make them work better..SO more learning...more possible problems ..and more circles to come....but it is coming to a resolve of sorts..
 
So yes thank you, as I believe I have said....You all gave me hope...You helped me see the corruption...and I made choices to solve them my way, and yours.....Perhaps this cannot be resolved with said devices on the table.
 
So one more go...and then if this continues to be buggy... I think I will move the second x79 build in to take over...and move Asus Sabertooth 1366 x58 to the other end of the studio.
 
See resolves are coming...one way or another.
 
Thanks Bob and all the rest...please stand by...I am going to install more things, remove someothers and reinstall them again, finish installing sonar candy, and run them for a test drive...Before the call comes in from Microsoft....and I believe I have 30 days to still run the ticket if anything goes south after that call.
 
 
Cheers!
Sir Les.

When installing from the dvd...I selected to format the partiton C: or 0 as usual.
Once done I continued to reinstall the OS.
I am not sure if the boot partition gets wiped out with formatting on SSD....in that formating of the Partition.
 
So is there a issue?...please advise if so.
 
Thanks AlexS

My purpose in asking you to physically remove the installed Firewire card was to avoid any conflicts from it, and was not requesting you to enable the on-board one.
 
I had wanted you to completely remove ANY Firewire card, ONLY for the purpose of getting a clean Windows 7 install, by not having any chance of a conflict from your secondary Firewire card, and also I had not asked you to enable the on-board one.
 
Since at least part of the issue, from what I understood, is a conflict between your NIC and likely your secondary Firewire card, and since you need NIC access to the web to download Windows 7 updates, I suggested you FIRST get Windows 7 installed cleanly, by removing that secondary Firewire card - thereby also not connecting your Heath and Allen.  AFTER getting a clean and updated Windows 7, and AFTER taking a full system image, THEN you could proceed with other installations and disabling NIC and all of that, including putting the Firewire card back in.
 
Bob Bone
 

Hi Bob...My IRQ's are posted...there are no conflicts happening...that is something I learnt to sniff, and resolve out on many many builds and bad experiences, and trouble shooting folly...with mead in hand...I think I got it right...but windows is still sharing virtual Irqs all the time...So who is to say its working correctly...one day it is fine, the next time you boot something isn't fine....I think it is a random virtual sharing technic Microsoft employs....sometimes...LOL.
 
So you think it is the firewire card?...can you be more specific as to what is drawing that line?
 
thanks
 

Now to send error reports to CW when the crashes occur...I have to open a music app with the board? and internet...to send it...which causes logs to be made...some of those errors are from doing just that...before the reinstall of win 7.
And to use the online help while trying to setup and use Sonar...this is a big problem for me....more logs made for mead consumption....
 
Another solution coming to mind is the New coming Mac computer with thunderbolt, which A&L say the firewire r16 will work with, with a adapter.
 
And I wil then need to move to another software platform like Protools.

> Another solution coming to mind is the New coming Mac computer with thunderbolt, which A&L say the firewire r16 will work with, with a adapter.
 
A mac may be a better solution, it may stop you from your compulsive tweaking rather than attempting at resolving via problem/research/solution methods or taking baby steps towards a stable system :)

 
Carry on if you wish to, Alex.
 
I shouldn't have even come back in to this mess.
 
38 years of programming down the drain - guess I will have to find something else to do.  :)
 
Bob Bone

OK Les good luck to you, clearly you know what you are doing in your own mind, honestly nobody is going to tell you what to do and we seem to be going around in circles ;). Again good luck (only way you are gonna be able to resolve this as structured diagnosis/solutions clearly won't work for you).

Try to pretend Les that you are building a house of cards here. What you need to do is pretend you are average Joe blogs who is simple going install windows, his apps, update them via the standard method, maybe install a virus scanner of some sort. Please stop installing utils, disabling internet etc (do that much much later if you really must, but if you insist on doing this sort of thing whilst we are attempting to diagnose your issue we will probably give up as we are swimming against the tide) . BTW PC's nowadays generally run better on the internet than off it, but please I don't want to start that debate with you (just do it). We were trying to just get you to install windows normally, do what the normal people do.
 
My only recommendation now is to do what Bob says #39, wipe, reinstall Windows again. Run windows update. Keep it on the internet. Install Sonar X3C and your latest drivers. Make sure your firmware is up to date everywhere. Run http://forum.cakewalk.com/m/tm.aspx?m=2928792 keep it simple (KISS), STOP TWEAKING! Don't get distracted. Forget about what you might think hogs performance, let it go, let auto updates do their thing. Don't install any other software, don't tweak any software. Do a backup!
 
Then start studying the event log for errors from the moment you've rebooted, leave it for a few days, then post event logs here. 
 
 
Thanks
 
Alex

#46 from Bob...win 7 according to all I have done Pryor to installing third party divers...while doing updates for win 7..and finishing...was installed successfully and cleanly...the problem was win installed IE 11...and I then went to get the latest drivers and firmware for the A&L desk...and I installed them, turned on the desk, installed the driver, and updated the firmware...turned off the desk...windows IE 11 became buggy...and I went on to download candy (addictive drummer) I did not do when I bought the X3...Addictive drummer download failed half way through....and that is where things went haywire.
 
So it is a clean install.., with a crash happening most likely due to the Drivers conflicting or having issues with each other, for that moment in time I was installing the A&L Driver and firmware with internet active...IE 11 using one with a issue of the other perhaps cause a fault error which caused a crash and hang of win 7..rebooted..and then I removed IE 11 as it was not behaving well on its own any way as it would not go to certain URLs...
 
This confirms the issues with NIC is serious!
 
So Bob #46...and redoing everything again might not need to be done, if the tech says everything is ok.
 
it is just junk in the registry...which can be cleaned up....I think.