Okay, here's mine:

This is one bug I'm in the middle of crushing - been around since Sonar6.

Names missing from Plugin Menus!

I'm not sure when it began to rear it's ugly head, but sometime last year certain VST plugins just wouldn't show up in any Plugin Manager menu, no matter what I did. I first noticed with microTonic, a plug I use a lot. I can see it in the list of installed VSTs, and it's in the menu editor. But where it counts it just doesn't show up. Oatmeal & V-Station are two others I know of off the top of my head that have gone MIA. I can get to some through track templates (yea for remembering to create them), but I can't figure out how to get V-Station into a Sonar Project.

I was hoping 7 would be the magic number and it would all be good. Nope.

In frustration, I ripped all my versions of Sonar off the computer, along with a whole lot of old software. Old Project 5. Gone. I didn't touch my plugins too much, including Dimension Pro and Rapture, but all those versions of Sonar I had going back to version 2 - outta there. I washed the registry several times with two different registry cleaners, including by hand. I was careful but thorough. But no luck.

So today I'm thinking of strategies to clean out my plugin folder. Granted, there's a lot of detritus in there. I'm pretty good at deleting what I don't want, but there's freebies I thought were cool, mag-ware I might have used once or twice, some of the lesser SynthEdit creations. I'm going to whittle it down to just the commercial plugins and the free/donation-ware I know works and use a lot. I guess I'll create a 2nd vst foler that sits right next to the current where I'll move most of this stuff, so I can still use it in other programs; perhaps bring it into Sonar with eXT as a plugin. I also think I'm going to toss any overall folder structure ("c:\program files\audio_plugins\instruments\samplers\..") and go with just splitting them up by developer and project ("c:\program files\audio_plugins\u-he\zebra2\..").

If anyone knows where exactly in the registry I could look to see what's not show up that would be great. I'm hesitating going back to a completely blank slate because there is so much work involved in reinstalling all my plugins - all those multi-disc sets! Oy.

ORIGINAL: Duojet

ORIGINAL: dbmusic

ORIGINAL: krizrox

I have enough time now with V7 to state that the popping and clicking associated with multi-processor support has been corrected. I've done a recording session and 6 hours of mixing work. Not a single pop or click. If you're a veteran of this problem and waiting to buy V7, I say go for it.

I did, however, notice a couple of other nagging problems that weren't resolved:

1) that annoying motorboating noise (it's an extremely annoying noise that sounds like Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber making the most annoying noise in the world). Still random. Still there.
2) the black screen of death that appears every time you open V-Vocal.

Whatever - not show stoppers. Happy just to be able to take advantage of the MP thingy now.

I wish someone to would have a clue about this "motorboating noise" and how to resolve it. I have it too Larry and it drives me freaking nuts. I can reproduce it by simply opening a project and playing an audio track for the first time. After that it seems to occur randomly.

do you have read/write caching (or buffering) turned on? if so try turning it off. i forget exactly where the setting is, somewhere in audio preferences. if the number is too low i used to get that sound. I don't even have them checked anymore.

I checked to be sure - read/write caching is disabled. I've never enabled read/write caching ever. One time I think I tried it but it made things worse so I left it off. Thanks for the suggestion though.

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

What hardware? From your description it seems like it would be driver related. A noise like that can happen when the driver is continuously repeating a buffer of audio rather than streaming the audio we send to it.

Lynx 2-A here, Noel. Larry is using the Creamware Scope, I believe.

Motoboating appered in my rig with V6. Haven't yet heard it in 7.

Regarding the cd burner, I can imagine it would be useful for one offs after a session. It's not meant to replace a standalone burning app.

Lately, we've been emailing more MP3s than burning CDs, though.

Larry,

I've checked on this but haven't found anything out of the ordinary. For one I'm able to click on the "Help" button and see the help file pop up as usual. I've also just exported one of my projects using "Tracks" as the Source Category and "Wave" as the File Type. After clicking "OK" it just showed me a window with a list of all the files that were gonna be created and the option to proceed or to cancel the operation. It exported as usual. I was not prompted to select these options on each individual track....unless I'm missing something....everything seems OK.

The CD burning feature is useful when you want to import tracks into Sonar from a CD for mastering. It's just easier to do this from within Sonar than to have to use a 3rd party plug. To me this would be the main reason why it would be convenient to have it in Sonar but I'm sure there are other reasons too.

Take care!

Larry,

I think I saw what you're talking about. It's a small windows that asks you for a Sub Format with extra encoding options, right? This window shows up when choosing WAV (microsoft) or AIFF (Apple/SGI). I haven't tried with other formats though. Try using the one named "Wave" instead. This one didn't show the extra window I think you're refering to.

HTH

ORIGINAL: jim y

I haven't touched Audio in S7PE yet - have been concentrating on midi which the step sequencer is responsible for. Have not noticed CPU hogging with the SSV gui and I only have a 2Ghz Athlon XP with 512MB ram - purely single core!

I have noticed some graphical artifacts - particularly the midi key/drum maps pane in the piano roll being out of alignment with the edit pane - especially after executing a "fit content". Since Sonar 1 I have always had the odd graphical glitch - odd lines in waveform views, mysterious blocks in the piano roll, missing grid lines etc. I can live with these because I suspect the program is giving a low priority to the graphics in favour of audio functions - but I can imagine some people not being impressed with the program for this.

SS2 seem particular about the midi clips (of mine, originally created in the synths midi track) I load it with, haven't sussed this one at all - I can get it playing the notes completely out of order and a 4bar (16beats) clip only lasting 3 bars while a 1bar clip created in the prv (4beats) in a seperate track plays perfectly.
The SS2 drum map was inexplicably set to point to one of my midi ports instead of SS2!

You have to monitor the CPU usage from the Task Manager (Crtl+Alt+Delete) NOT Sonar. Sonar doesn't report this.

Hey, just want to report back that you can write my "bug" off as, well, pilot error, or "How it was time to clean out my plugin folder."

Everything that I want is apparently showing. I may have to reinstall a few things after the house cleaning, but not a major overhaul. There's some weird ghost entries that I want to track down but they're not getting in the way per se.

So yeah, thumbs up.

Clean up your plugins, kids.

Any thoughts on where specifically I should target in the registry to remove entries that just shouldn't be there?

Puffer,

I'm glad you got it worked out. Thanks for letting us know .


The Goose,

Are you using the latest driver for the Fireface? Which plugin are you trying to record with?

Update on the buss soloing bug -

I got another email from Noel saying the bus soloing bug has been fixed but no time table given on a patch release.

Eric

ORIGINAL: brian brock




The external effect plug doesn't report the same delay for the same chain on my system (RME Multiface II). That seems wrong, and in my experience the frozen track was off by enough to matter (ie more than, say 5 samples or so, I guess - is that asking too much? maybe).

Yes, you're asking for too much. By the way, you can further tweak that to make it sample perfect if that bothers you .


Peace!

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

ORIGINAL: krizrox

ORIGINAL: Duojet

ORIGINAL: dbmusic

ORIGINAL: krizrox

I have enough time now with V7 to state that the popping and clicking associated with multi-processor support has been corrected. I've done a recording session and 6 hours of mixing work. Not a single pop or click. If you're a veteran of this problem and waiting to buy V7, I say go for it.

I did, however, notice a couple of other nagging problems that weren't resolved:

1) that annoying motorboating noise (it's an extremely annoying noise that sounds like Jim Carey in Dumb and Dumber making the most annoying noise in the world). Still random. Still there.
2) the black screen of death that appears every time you open V-Vocal.

Whatever - not show stoppers. Happy just to be able to take advantage of the MP thingy now.

I wish someone to would have a clue about this "motorboating noise" and how to resolve it. I have it too Larry and it drives me freaking nuts. I can reproduce it by simply opening a project and playing an audio track for the first time. After that it seems to occur randomly.

do you have read/write caching (or buffering) turned on? if so try turning it off. i forget exactly where the setting is, somewhere in audio preferences. if the number is too low i used to get that sound. I don't even have them checked anymore.

I checked to be sure - read/write caching is disabled. I've never enabled read/write caching ever. One time I think I tried it but it made things worse so I left it off. Thanks for the suggestion though.

What hardware? From your description it seems like it would be driver related. A noise like that can happen when the driver is continuously repeating a buffer of audio rather than streaming the audio we send to it.

Using an RME Fireface 800 here with XP SP2. Different driver updates have had no effect toward resolving this "motorboating".

ORIGINAL: Jose7822

<snip>
- Selecting a MIDI track with MIDI data in it does NOT enable the Step Sequencer when in Tack View but it does in PRV (probably what you're seeing).
</snip>

I've found you can enable Step Sequencer on a track containing midi data in Track View. Dont actually select the track or midi data but click on a track parameter (eg patch). Step Sequencer is enabled. On my screen layout PRV is also open & displaying this track & others.

For me it now gets really strange - opening the Step Sequencer in this way (I'm using some h/w synths) on track 8 that points to midi port 13. Click some Step Sequencer notes hit play on Step Sequencer & the midi triggers the synth connected to midi port 13 (as "expected"). stop the Step Sequencer, disable notes in Step Sequencer & close it (no explicit saves etc).

Look at h/w synth rack - notice midi activity light on a different synth is flashing. Check Sonar transport, it's stopped.

Mute all tracks in Sonar - midi activity stops. Fire up MidiOx, turn off all filtering - no midi out shown. Unmute Sonar - no midi out activity shown in midiOx, but midi activity shown on the h/w synth (& the Sonar taskbar midi indicator display matches the h/w synth activity indicator).

Use track mutes to identify which track is generating the midi its track 2 pointing at midi port 3.

Save project. Close project. Midi activity on h/w synth stops.

Close Sonar. Reopen Sonar & reload the project - midi activity on the h/w synth starts up.

Close Sonar & reboot Windows & cycle all USB synths etc off/on, reopen Sonar & project - no midi activity on the h/w synth - until I repeat the Step Sequencer insert as above.

This is now 100% repeatable for me.

The project started out in Sonar 5, went via 6 & once this has happened in S7 cant be reopened in S6 - I guess something about the Step Sequencer is written to the project even though nothing was explicitly saved in the Step Sequencer. It's probably not relevant but I have been playing with External Instrument fx in this project though none are currently present.

FWIW the box on port 13 is a Yam RS7000 connected via midi to a Yam i88x mLan firewire interface, port 3 is a Yam Motif ESRack (USB midi) & I've also seen the behaviour on a Roland VSynthXT (USB midi plus via midi to a MidiSport 2x2 USB) & FantomXRack (USB midi) before I knew what was initiating the issue. All USBs are connected to separate USB ports on the mobo (though may share a common hub).

The h/w synths aren't doing anything apparent with this midi activity btw.

Can anyone replicate this?

I'll try to work out which tracks trigger the issue on those other synths tomorrow.

Ducatibruce,

I can't really check for this cause I don't have a hw synth just a MIDI Controller. Hopefully some can verify what you're seeing.


Brian Brock,

Yes, I agree that it should't be reporting different latencies whenever you hit the "Delay" button more than once. I too have seen this behaviour but it hasn't been a real problem for me. Either way, this should be brought up to Cakewalk just in case. I will be doing this and I suggest you do too. The more the marrier.

Take care!

Middleman,

I just reported this issue to Cakewalk. Hopefully they can find a fix for it.

I'm getting the same exact behaviour, even when bypassing the FX, so that was not the problem in my case. It just seems odd, even though it hasn't really affected me, it's better if they can fix it. So I would like to ask for you to report this as well if you don't mind.

Take care!