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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/01 23:43:07 (permalink)
$35 ??

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/01 23:50:22 (permalink)
Just 3 things:


1- Better audio engine (no Motorboating).

2- Better thread distribution (no more one-core spikes).

3- Workflow enhancements (plenty have been mentioned already).



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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/01 23:51:25 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: mixmkr

$35 ??



LOL You wish .
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 03:12:31 (permalink)
I think a midi strumming tool would be efficient, for use with guitar samplers. Rather than having to manually set beginning and ending times in chords.

Does anyone know of a plug-in for creating chords (that strum)?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 03:35:57 (permalink)
Does anyone know of a plug-in for creating chords (that strum)?


The best I've seen for simulating real guitar strumming is MusicLab's RealGuitar and RealStrat. You can watch some videos and download demos from their home page.

For actually "creating" chords, that would be up to you! For automatic backing chords, you might want to check out BIAB or Jammer.

But I doubt that's on your S8 wishlist, so I've gone off-topic!

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 03:47:33 (permalink)
Cool. Thanks, I'll check those products out.
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RE: Sonar 7.5 Wish List 2008/05/02 05:52:06 (permalink)
Better scrolling and zooming.

When you're in track view, and you want to zoom in or out horizontally, you can do that by holding the Alt key and rolling the mouse wheel. But you can't do that in PRV. In PRV when you do an Alt-wheel... nothing happens at all; the function is apparently unassigned. It should work the same way as in TV. (Ctrl-Left/Right will horzontal zoom in PRV, but mouse wheeling should too.)

In Track View, if you want to scroll horizontally you can hold the Ctrl key and roll the mouse wheel (even when the scroll lock key is on, which is super useful.) In PRV, if you want to scroll horizontally, you can do it the same way -- but not all the time (which is super unuseful.) It doesn't work when the main grid part of the display somehow loses the focus, like when you click on the track selectors pane. (It's possible other things cause the grid pane to lose focus... I'm not sure.) At those times, when you Ctrl-wheel the mouse, it doesn't scroll, and instead nothing happens at all -- again the function is unassigned. In order to get the focus back to the grid, you have to click in the grid, which can cause different things to happen, none of them good, depending on the currently selected tool, e.g., drawing a new note, or deselecting selected notes. Since Ctrl-wheeling doesn't cause anything else to happen when the grid doesn't have the focus, then it should scroll the grid scroll, even if it has to first return focus to the grid (all other PRV panes require direct clicking in order to do anything, so there is no reason for them to retain focus; they get it automatically upon use. The grid does too, but clicking the grid is a much bigger deal, as it can actually change data.)

I'm aware that it's possible to use the scroll and zoom controls around the pane borders to do the same thing that Ctrl- and Alt-wheeling do. But those controls are just so 20th century (and wheel-lessly Macintoshy.) Ctrl-wheeling is much more convenient and doesn't require a precise repositioning of the mouse on little buttons and arrows, which breaks the work flow and your visual focus.

What works in one view should work in other views, unless there's some really good reason. These just seem like oversights. (And easily correctable ones, I imagine.)
post edited by HotCoollMusicGirl - 2008/05/02 06:05:29
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RE: Sonar 7.5 Wish List 2008/05/02 07:08:18 (permalink)
Fast zoom settings are very important. This is how I set fast zoom:



It works in Track and PR views identicaly, though for horizontal zoom only.
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RE: Sonar 7.5 Wish List 2008/05/02 07:25:00 (permalink)
Hmmm.... mouse-wheel zooming in PRV seems to work differently when there is a drum map in the grid... and when there are two tracks being displayed, one with a DM and one without, and the grid area is split, how mouse zoom works depends on which pane the mouse is over. At leas that's what it seems like at the moment.

The Fast Zoom settings don't seem to be a factor in how you actually perform the zoom, only on where the zoomed display is centered.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 15:46:25 (permalink)
(6) Right click > Remote > MIDI Learn.


This works for many knobs and faders. But what I'd like is for it to work universally, for anything within SONAR (the core program plus any packaged plugs). E.g., this doesn't work for the knobs in PerfectSpace (as far as I could tell).
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 15:49:16 (permalink)
I think a midi strumming tool would be efficient, for use with guitar samplers. Rather than having to manually set beginning and ending times in chords.

Does anyone know of a plug-in for creating chords (that strum)?


AAS (Applied Acoustics) is about to release or has just released a softsynth called "Strum" that sounds like it's designed to do just what you're asking.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 16:29:24 (permalink)
i'd like the tempo to change in real time smoothly (when trying out different tempos and such)....
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 16:38:20 (permalink)

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i'd like the tempo to change in real time smoothly (when trying out different tempos and such)....



How exactly? You can do that wit Audio Snap very smoothly.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 16:49:20 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: Chuck E. Jesus

i'd like the tempo to change in real time smoothly (when trying out different tempos and such)....



How exactly? You can do that wit Audio Snap very smoothly.



sometimes when just doing a simple midi sequence or drum pattern, i like to try out different tempos...instead of having to type in a tempo and hitting enter, i'd like to smoothly increase or decrease the tempo...i've seen this in other apps...i'm not talking about doing tempo maps or Audio Snap or anything like that, just the tempo selector is all...not a big deal, more of a minor pita really....
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/02 23:08:22 (permalink)
that sounds great - a tempo slider. that won't work until they code the new audio engine tho, even typing a a tempo and hitting enter while running buggers the program half the time.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/03 11:08:05 (permalink)
FROMSONAR6PE:
Beef up teh audio engine ....
Fix the metronome
Mute tool bug
Automation envelope improvement
Sometimes I don't see an audio/record playback meter in a newly inserted track

Better default AUD INI parameters

I could go on ......

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/03 20:51:48 (permalink)
A suggestion for improved view and plug in window control...

Currently, by pressing Ctrl-F6, you can rotate through all the open windows of a project, including all open views as well as instrument and fx plugins.

It would be good if you could specify that some windows are to be excluded from this rotation. This option can be added to each window's system menu, along with the Enable Floating, Enable Tabbed, and Lock Contents options.

This would let you keep plugins opened without having to rotate past them when you want simply switch back and forth between, say, TV and PRV.

Using Ctrl-Shift-F6 lets you reverse the order of the rotation, which can prevent landing on a window you don't want. But it means you need to know which key combination to press, and that requires too much thought.

This option to exclude windows/views from the rotation should apply whether they are maximized or resized or floating. And should apply even when a project as no additional open windows, which would accommodate having multiple projects open, which is when the ability to exclude windows can be especially important.

Also.... related to that....

When two projects are open at once, and one of them has plugin and other view windows open (e.g., the console view), there should be an option to auto-hide those windows when switching to the other project. It's very annoying to be in Project B and to click on a view or plugin window for Project A (often thinking it might actually belong to Project B), which switches you Project A. Really distracting.

Oh one more thing... also related... the same key combos that open a view when it's closed should close a view when it's opened... same goes for dialog boxes, eg Snap To Grid.

Would also be good if you could turn off the "always on top" satutus of plug ins.
post edited by HotCoollMusicGirl - 2008/05/03 22:39:21
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/05 12:37:57 (permalink)
Here is a take at a possibly "revolutionary" feature (atleast because I the one saying it ) <EDIT>: Ofcouse, this would not be expected in Version 8. Version 10 Maybe. </EDIT>

What if the console view could be the primary control screen instead of the track view?

Lets say, we have the project navigator on top of the console view. And we can show (highly zoomed out (with zoom being parameterizable)) track view events in the console track bars. We can then use the magnifying glass to see events that we want to see.. Double clicking the track event will open that track either as a paino roll if its midi or as an audio editor in case of an audio track.

What would this buy us? -- I personally get diverted a lot during mixing -- while looking at the tracks, and spend a lot of brain bandwidth in processing visual cues of the track view (of course I could switch to console view during mixing) but this amalgamation could help a lot in avoiding the extra visual processing. I say this because there are times where I actually have to turn off the computer monitor and just mix with my MCU, which is doable, but not entirely convenient.

That said, there are such great ideas in threads such as this...hope CW is monitoring these threads..

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 13:30:51 (permalink)
New idea --

I often bounce and/or freeze tracks to keep my workspace uncluttered and conserve CPU power. However, it often happens that, later on in a project, I want to revisit or reuse or redo something that was frozen or bounced, but can't restore all the settings (e.g., the exact pan, level, reverb, etc.)

Yes, I know about cloning and archiving, leaving FX in the bin even after applying FX, etc.

But I'd like an alternative.

Here's the idea:

When freezing or bouncing, have the option to "save settings." All the settings applicable to the freeze or bounce would be stored somewhere, where they could be re-accessed if wanted at some later time. A similar concept to clone+archive except that ALL settings would be preserved (e.g. track levels, tempos and other things that can be altered on a track- or project- level) and the info would be stored in deeper background than archiving (so, e.g., a frozen synth whose audio is later bounced into a mix could be removed entirely from a project so it wouldn't even need to load anymore, but all the info about it would still reside on a back-up type file). Ideally, these saved setting files could be accessed in new projects, so they could be used without fear of disturbing any existing project or track settings.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 15:23:00 (permalink)
i saw a LOT of mentions of groove matrix type functionality or as craig anderton put it in his sonar 7 list of missing features "alternative algorithms for composition".

cakewalk brought out p5 in the early days of ableton when ableton was missing functionality that would allow it to compete directly w/ sonar/cubase/logic as a full-featured host. now ableton is a bona fide alternative in the sequencer sweepstakes. i guess for people doing soundtrack work or recording bands this isn't important but for electronic music makers in 2008 it is essential. AND THE CODE IS JUST SITTING THERE IN P5!


A HUGE + 1 here!! Cakewalk made an enormous step toward making Sonar competitve with electronic music focused apps with the new Step Sequencer, which is great. Id love to see more groove management functionality like a groove matrix, or something similar to Reason's 'Regroove Mixer'.

It would also be nice to apply different groove templates to the step seqencer and be able to make adjustments in real time.

Also, this is only a minor annoyance - but when you're looping a section if you add a new note in the piano roll or step in the step sequencer, you have to wait until the loop starts over before you can hear your edit, even if the position maker hasnt passed that spot yet.

Another cool idea would be to bundle Project 5 with Sonar, and allow it to be loaded as a VST...:D
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 16:22:59 (permalink)
don't know if mentioned but it would be nice to be able to select a section of a clip or track and delete numerous envelope nodes at once.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 16:40:10 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: timidi

don't know if mentioned but it would be nice to be able to select a section of a clip or track and delete numerous envelope nodes at once.


+1 to this again!

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 16:56:47 (permalink)
A waveform pen.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 17:02:20 (permalink)
True stereo panning. Purdy please. I do it with plugins, but it would be nice to do it without plugins.. It could be a lever that would change both sides of the stereo track and not just lowering one side like it does now. I did say please..
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 18:00:19 (permalink)
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ORIGINAL: timidi

don't know if mentioned but it would be nice to be able to select a section of a clip or track and delete numerous envelope nodes at once.


+1 to this again!


Once an envelope is created, it would be nice to be able to do all sorts of things with it more easily. Delete a bunch of nodes at once, per above. Copy a segment of it and paste it into a new track, either following a new tempo or holding its original tempo. Flip it upside down. Play it backwards.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 18:09:01 (permalink)
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True stereo panning. Purdy please. I do it with plugins, but it would be nice to do it without plugins.. It could be a lever that would change both sides of the stereo track and not just lowering one side like it does now. I did say please..
Cj

+ 1

Yes! Please! Purdy please!!

Having pseudo stereo and work-around (using a 3rd party plugin) is not acceptable!! It's about freaking time the Bakers developed Sonar with 'True Stereo'

 
 
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/09 18:15:19 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: rhythmeus

Here is a take at a possibly "revolutionary" feature (atleast because I the one saying it ) <EDIT>: Ofcouse, this would not be expected in Version 8. Version 10 Maybe. </EDIT>

What if the console view could be the primary control screen instead of the track view?
rhythmeus


Not to "start a fight" but why go back towards an old "analog-mixer-based" paradigm? Personally I think the console view is a hold-over...something to bridge the gap for those of us who came from the analog mixer world(and yes, I did also). I now never use it. I think the track view is much better suited to the computer-based-daw paradigm....much more information available in a format all computer users are used to. But I would never oppose getting rid of the console view because I know many people like it.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/16 21:40:40 (permalink)
LARGER MUTE AND SOLO BUTTONS IN THE MULTI-TRACK VIEW.

Would make it easier during muting vocal takes and bouncing to track.


 

 
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/17 03:16:21 (permalink)
A few things I'd like to see:

1 - Quick & Easy Project (Audio) Sample Rate Conversion.
I have a bunch of projects that are nothing but MIDI, but, as part of my normal template, I have a few audio tracks that allow me to easily record my music into the project. Not being able to convert a project [just the project - not the audio even!] is just stupid! I don't mind having to re-record audio music from MIDI or having to re-freeze soft-synths after a conversion, just LET ME BE ABLE TO DO IT! :)
2 - A dual-input vocoder. This way, I could sample my cat meowing, and talk over it, so I could have the meows talk. (Stupid example, I know, but wouldn't it be cool to be able to use **ANY** instument [especially a REAL LIFE INSTRUMENT] as the sound, vocoded with your REAL LIFE VOICE? None of this "Soft-synth pad" stuff - just the real deal!)
3 - RE: Soft Synths: Deleting Soft Synths from the Synth Rack will also delete empty soft synth folders from the project. (Sounds logical, right?)

That's all for now... Carry on! :)

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/05/17 19:03:08 (permalink)
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Deleting Soft Synths from the Synth Rack will also delete empty soft synth folders from the project. (Sounds logical, right?)

good idea. better yet: when you delete a synth from the synth rack pop up a dialog w/ options to also delete associated, soft synth folders, midi, and audio tracks.
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