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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 07:26:09
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Hi friends! After 2016.09 early acces update, my melodyne essential shows 4.04 version. Is that ok??
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 08:07:47
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Hi friends! After 2016.09 early acces update, my melodyne essential shows 4.04 version. Is that ok??
That is the current latest version of Melodyne essential. I am going to periodically check http://celemony.com/ for an update because the Sonar Online Documentation mentions Melodyne essential 4.1. I am sure that Celemony will be releasing 4.1 any time now. Hopefully that will happen by the time 2016.09 is made public - remember this is still early release.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 08:25:16
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 08:27:25
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Here's a strange thing: with load balancing enabled, the first thread is getting very little of the load, but the seven remaining threads are looking pretty even in handling the remainder. Thoughts?
Originally, the first thread was running about 20% higher than the remaining seven threads. All told, I thought this was pretty even, but now, the load seems to be avoiding the first thread.
In Load balancing mode if you are using the "audio processing load" cpu metering mode, the per core meters only tell only a part of the story so you can't take it too literally. Every core is indeed being used for processing. We may try and improve the display accuracy but it got very complex to represent with the new model where now every FX rack is potentially being load balanced. If you want an accurate picture of what is going on from the OS point of view, watch the CPU metering mode (right click on the meters) to show the system load. In that mode keep in mind that it shows the use of your cores for ALL concurrent processes on your PC not just SONAR. Arguably that is a better metric to watch since it tells you exactly how the cores are utilized globally.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 11:08:56
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Does the fact that the load balancing is optional imply that there may be some circumstances/hardware where it is best left disabled? If so, when?
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 11:30:00
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Does the fact that the load balancing is optional imply that there may be some circumstances/hardware where it is best left disabled? If so, when?
AMB
Not necessarily. My guess is that this is so that, if a detrimental bug is found in the new load balancing logic, there's an easy fall-back to the previous, well-tested code without having to rollback to a previous version of SONAR.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 11:46:38
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 11:58:53
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 14:11:37
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I have to play around with this a bit, but so far for me the load balancing might be the greatest change in Sonar since Platinum came out.
Don't forget, you have to enable it in preferences. It's not turned on by default.
Where would one find this in preferences? I have installed the Early Release but cannot find anywhere in Preferences to enable. EDIT: I finally found it.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 14:19:49
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I have to play around with this a bit, but so far for me the load balancing might be the greatest change in Sonar since Platinum came out.
Don't forget, you have to enable it in preferences. It's not turned on by default.
Where would one find this in preferences?
I have installed the Early Release but cannot find anywhere in Preferences to enable.
Hi. Not in front of my DAW at the moment, but IIRC it is under Preferences Audio, Playback and Recording. All the best.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 15:05:59
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☄ Helpfulby Dream Logic Audio 2016/09/25 16:02:37
AntManB
Does the fact that the load balancing is optional imply that there may be some circumstances/hardware where it is best left disabled? If so, when?
AMB
This is explained in detail in the help here.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 16:10:35
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I've installed the update a few hours ago and I am getting pops and clicks on all my projects. Never had this before. I checked all my audio settings to make sure nothing was changed. I have not enabled the new core balancing. Anyone else experienced this after the update?
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 17:09:08
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slyman
I've installed the update a few hours ago and I am getting pops and clicks on all my projects.
Never had this before. I checked all my audio settings to make sure nothing was changed.
I have not enabled the new core balancing.
Anyone else experienced this after the update?
I have a very large project (100 minutes in length and 32 tracks), and the update seems to have coincided with more dropouts than I experienced before (which were few and far between). I tried enabling the new load balancing option but it could not play more than a second before a dropout occurred so I switched that off again and it's better now. UPDATE: I should have mentioned that I was originally running 2016.07 and jumped to the pre-release 2016.09 (skipping 2016.08). I have gone back and forth between 2016.07 and 2016.09 and they both seem to play about the same (i.e. with minimal dropouts). However, if I enable the new feature load-balancing in 2016.09 (pre-release) then I have issues. Note that my project is probably very much an edge case given the size of it, but I am providing info to Cakewalk to learn more
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 18:08:58
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Here's a strange thing: with load balancing enabled, the first thread is getting very little of the load, but the seven remaining threads are looking pretty even in handling the remainder. Thoughts?
Originally, the first thread was running about 20% higher than the remaining seven threads. All told, I thought this was pretty even, but now, the load seems to be avoiding the first thread.
In Load balancing mode if you are using the "audio processing load" cpu metering mode, the per core meters only tell only a part of the story so you can't take it too literally. Every core is indeed being used for processing. We may try and improve the display accuracy but it got very complex to represent with the new model where now every FX rack is potentially being load balanced.
If you want an accurate picture of what is going on from the OS point of view, watch the CPU metering mode (right click on the meters) to show the system load. In that mode keep in mind that it shows the use of your cores for ALL concurrent processes on your PC not just SONAR. Arguably that is a better metric to watch since it tells you exactly how the cores are utilized globally.
Thanks, Noel. This is a great new feature and, as I've mentioned, might help me get more life out of my current somewhat aging system. BTW, all things being equal, what is better for Sonar: a higher CPU speed or more cores? Where is the trade-off? I've got a i7 2600K quad OC'ed to 4.5 gHz, thinking of putting an i7 oct (not sure about OC'ing on that yet). I've got 16 GB RAM now, but will go to at least 32 GB and maybe 64 GB. Also, is there a projection as to when the Robin's Egg Blue for the plug-in "screen" in the FX rack will be editable in Theme Editor? I'm just looking forward to matching it to the rest of my themes. Thanks as always for all your work, comments, and help! I can't express how much I appreciate where Sonar has gone and seems to be headed.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 18:35:55
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The 8 physical core I7's (16 virtual cores) are amazing. Definitely recommond those. More cores over a marginal CPU speed increase is definitely preferable for a multiprocessor capable app since it allows the app to scale load better. More theme editor changes are slated for a later release. Not sure yet when it will make it but you should send in a feature request.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 19:55:23
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The 8 physical core I7's (16 virtual cores) are amazing. Definitely recommend those. More cores over a marginal CPU speed increase is definitely preferable for a multiprocessor capable app since it allows the app to scale load better.
More theme editor changes are slated for a later release. Not sure yet when it will make it but you should send in a feature request.
Thanks for the suggestion on the cores. Of course, since I probably won't be able to build until about a year from now, 8 (physical) cores will probably be considered all but obsolescent by them and 16 cores will be "a more sensible, yet forward-looking option" (he said in his best imitation of a Welsh accent).  Is the difference between 3.2 and 4.5 gHz considered "marginal?" I ask this seriously. Wow. I just posted my suggestion regarding plug-in screen color editing as a feature request. Thanks for reminding me.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 20:50:00
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[font="'book antiqua', palatino; color: #003366; font-size: small"]Is the difference between 3.2 and 4.5 gHz considered "marginal?" I ask this seriously. Wow.
Analogies always suck, but I'll give it a try: You'll get a job done faster with 16 highly skilled workers working 3.2 hours a day compared to 4 highly skilled workers working 4.5 hours a day. The four will have more throughput on a given day, but that won't get the project done faster.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 23:02:30
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[font="'book antiqua', palatino; color: #003366; font-size: small"]Is the difference between 3.2 and 4.5 gHz considered "marginal?" I ask this seriously. Wow.
Analogies always suck, but I'll give it a try: You'll get a job done faster with 16 highly skilled workers working 3.2 hours a day compared to 4 highly skilled workers working 4.5 hours a day. The four will have more throughput on a given day, but that won't get the project done faster.
Oh, I get this (and I liked your analogy, except that I thought that the relationship between differing clock speeds was exponential, not linear [?]), my question was just about 3.2 gHz vs. 4.5 gHz on a one to one basis. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about this. I didn't think that 4 physical cores could do the work of 8 or 16 physical cores, per se. So, a difference of 1.3 gHz (assuming equal number of cores for this issue) per core is a marginal difference. That's kind of scary.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/25 23:42:11
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Is the difference between 3.2 and 4.5 gHz considered "marginal?" I ask this seriously. Wow.
You didn't mention what the CPU jump was in your earlier post or I missed it. 3.2 to 4.5 GHz is a pretty big jump so thats a tougher call to make. So for raw DSP processing and low latency performance you will generally get more out of the 4.5 GHz processor, but smoother performance from large projects with more cores.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 13:17:11
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Not had a chance to download & install yet, but does anyone know if there's been a fix for selecting multiple envelopes in one go?
This got broken in 08
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 14:10:47
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 15:36:33
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Is the difference between 3.2 and 4.5 gHz considered "marginal?" I ask this seriously. Wow.
You didn't mention what the CPU jump was in your earlier post or I missed it. 3.2 to 4.5 GHz is a pretty big jump so thats a tougher call to make. So for raw DSP processing and low latency performance you will generally get more out of the 4.5 GHz processor, but smoother performance from large projects with more cores.
Thanks, Noel. So, the optimum machine would have a CPU with 8 cores (or more), OC'ed to 4.5 gHz (or more). That machine would smoke pretty much anything. Cool. 
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 15:39:44
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Nah, you need to go 12 core 
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 15:52:56
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I think, but I am not certain, that Core 0 will always process interrupts. I don't think that can be changed.
So perhaps Sonar is avoiding Core 0?
I Believe on a Mac, In Studio one 3, one core is grey'd out for such things also?...Not sure about irqs being used in OSX coding persay...Yet, OS needs to tie in the devices..So a core is set for...I believe for just running the hardware devices. . MS OS IRQ request might be a issue with cpu and memory, and services running...and the added spooling of keystrokes and data sending, auto updates, and memory holdings for......So, Yes, this could be the way to solve for that on PC , and stability, without too much interruption of what user wants to do. As always I point out again, and agian...The IRQ demon is at the root of issues still hiding in the code and the design!....Eh? Cheers!
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 16:16:11
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Nah, you need to go 12 core
I agree totally with the above!...But 8 will do...in a pinch and a poke..Lots of memory of a mid to highest speeds, and a good video card with good drivers, and some memory on it to help visually and pointing with the squirrel or mouse...Works most of the time, when not interrupted.....Wink..
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/26 16:20:06
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If anyone is going to overclock the cpu and other things...Be mindful to make sure you cool things beyond reason! Just saying...a 8 core cpu is a bit of change!...feeding a cow too much because heat issues toasted it, due to overclocking...Is stupidly done deeds!
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
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And one more tip...Thunderbolt 2 or now 3...I believe helps, as the standard seems to help with memory access or is directed via...faster....which means lessor service of OS...less interupts...eh?....Perhaps is why it works here better than USB or Firewire?.....Just saying.
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/28 16:03:27
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i've had nothing but crashes today. saving, exporting, sometimes doing nothing. i would use the fault reporter, but that crashed as well. here's all the info i could get: ================ Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: SONARPLT.exe Application Version: 22.9.0.30 Application Timestamp: 57e4c819 Fault Module Name: SONARPLT.exe Fault Module Version: 22.9.0.30 Fault Module Timestamp: 57e4c819 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 000000000034d425 OS Version: 6.2.9200.2.0.0.256.48 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: bc43 Additional Information 2: bc43748d74379710e4ea0561fbe849d7 Additional Information 3: 323f Additional Information 4: 323fd65ae30fbfb5ba7e77ca5ffe233f Read our privacy statement online: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=190175If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privacy statement offline: C:\WINDOWS\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: SONARPLT.exe Application Version: 22.9.0.30 Application Timestamp: 57e4c819 Fault Module Name: SONARPLT.exe Fault Module Version: 22.9.0.30 Fault Module Timestamp: 57e4c819 Exception Code: c000041d Exception Offset: 000000000034d425 OS Version: 6.2.9200.2.0.0.256.48 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: ffc3 Additional Information 2: ffc3e1153fcb86ce68f0f31459ec50b4 Additional Information 3: 85e7 Additional Information 4: 85e7f1472f32675287e1c20663d4d16d Read our privacy statement online: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=190175If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privacy statement offline: C:\WINDOWS\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt Problem signature: Problem Event Name: CLR20r3 Problem Signature 01: FaultReporter.exe Problem Signature 02: 2.5.0.1 Problem Signature 03: 57603978 Problem Signature 04: Fault-Reporter Problem Signature 05: 2.5.0.1 Problem Signature 06: 57603978 Problem Signature 07: 47 Problem Signature 08: 10 Problem Signature 09: System.IO.FileNotFoundException OS Version: 6.2.9200.2.0.0.256.48 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: f536 Additional Information 2: f536a6bcb56ab99a9a84961f6978269a Additional Information 3: 62a4 Additional Information 4: 62a4d60b68cef0a78dee25c2b138f43c Read our privacy statement online: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=190175If the online privacy statement is not available, please read our privacy statement offline: C:\WINDOWS\system32\en-US\erofflps.txt ============== any ideas?
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Re: Sonar Platinum 2016 Early Access program 09
2016/09/28 16:35:38
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Sorry David, can't help, I don't speak Klingon.
@ Outland - wish I could mate, they're not exactly on the budget side of the price fence
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