SongCraft


I agree to the following posts:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139047

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139576

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139608

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Coming from you that is rich. Are you going to admit you were wrong about the envelope bug and apologise for the gross insults you directed at me? And as you are at it, apologise to everyone that has ever had any issues with Envelope bugs whom you insinuated are not capable of using Sonar.

No I didn't think you would...



UnderTow

UnderTow

SongCraft


I agree to the following posts:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139047

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139576

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2139608

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Coming from you that is rich. Are you going to admit you were wrong about the envelope bug and apologise for the gross insults you directed at me? And as you are at it, apologise to everyone that has ever had any issues with Envelope bugs whom you insinuated are not capable of using Sonar.

No I didn't think you would...



UnderTow

lorneyb2


Undertow. 
I am appalled at your personal attack on gtgarner.  That is a blatant case of cyber bullying.

Clearly it's 'you' ((UnderTow)) you can't do a simple 3 to 4 step workflow whilst many others can with great success....and then you have the hide to 'Flame' insult and accuse or imply to me and many others of being wrong.  Others thanked me, but you can't because you will not accept that you're wrong!

I have asked you before and I'll ask you yet again; 'don't bother me again' (do not have any further contact with me)!

Your behavior on these forums is consistently appalling.  I want no further discussion about this matter. Move along and get over it or risk getting banned the choice is up to you.

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I thought this was a "wish list" thread. 

Automation is certainly a mess. I reached the point of frustration with editing automation data on tracks with multiple lanes (itself also a mess) on a large project that I was ready to throw in the towel with Cakewalk -- after 11 years. But I have high hopes for X1 and I'm hoping automation - if not completely fixed, is greatly improved. We'll see.

As for X2, the one thing I want is Matrix 2.0.

Hi folks,
Let's try and pull this one back on the road and on topic.
Can't we all just get along?

There are many things in Sonar that I know just work, plain and simple. Automation isn't one of them - it's a bit on the inconsistent side. (Undertow's clips prove that quite clearly). 

And even when/if it works - there is room for improvement. If I CAN put automation on a track or a bus, I expect to be able to edit it and move it around easily. If it needs to be stored on it's own track in order to work - which in itself seems a bit silly - then by default, it should be recorded to its own track.

Aloha all,

Cakewalk has a MIDI heart
That heart beats for musicians

If there was to be any dropping of anything it would be the
AUDIO portion that can be dispensed with --

History is ignored by ignorant foolks

A midi sequencer will help any musician, willing to learn
how to use it, make some pretty damn incredible music.

The rest of the audio junk is for making it easier for the midiman to record to HD his creations.  PERIOD.

Finale or Sibellus can take a flying leap.
Or fulfill their reason for being which is to print out musical notation for sale or use by musicians.
It damn sure isn't meant to be used to create midi files.

That there are recording engineers and producers that want to use the recording capabilities of Sonar/soon to be X1, speaks volumes for the quality of Rolands audio recording developments.

Any one who thinks blocking other posters or go crying to the cake staff
"booo hooo hooo he said nastys at me and doesn't agree with me"
is a way to deal with life------------what can a man say?

This one says:    Grow a mind.
 

midi creates music
audio records it

Seems obvious to me.
 
 
Just my opinion 

+1 Sonar X1MacPro =)

Ok Guys,
Stay on topic (wish list) and play nice or get bumped. The arguing isn't even related to the topic and quite disrespectful. If you'd like to engage in heated debate do so elsewhere. Thank you in advance.

I want to thank Mike @ Cake !

(sorry if that is off topic) lol

My Wish list = Envelopes:

But first I want to thank Mike Trujillo

With all due respect and honesty over the past two years I have participated in discussions and shared ideas with a lot of people....

... I have also submitted a LOT of 'Feature Requests' to Cakewalk in regards to 'improving Envelopes'.

That said;  I most definitely have acknowledged there are issues with envelopes and I hope that envelopes will be the main focus in the next release... fast forward to X1

...in X1 although it's yet to be released from what I can see the new improvements is a step in the right direction, it enables us to better handle multiple envelopes on the 'same' clip. Soon we'll find out just how far improved?... for example when working with multiple envelopes:

* When selecting 'all' do 'ALL' actually get selected?

* and are there options to 'deselect' any one or more?

* are envelopes on the buses selected also? 

These are the questions that remain to be confirmed (answered) in X1.  If any of the above *listed cannot be done as yet in X1?, then that is my wish list and 'Feature Request' for 2011.

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Aloha Mike Trujillo,

I am being polite and have tried to be consistently.......
I fail at times ---I'm human
I have a tendency to respond as I have been sponded.
You want me to be nice --- you first. 
Not you MT you were more than polite.

And I have a great deal of love for the midi portion of Sonar
so I am not likely to play all that nice with folks
who THINK they know what they are going on about when they don't. 

Crg message 107. 
Go read it.

All anyone has to do is show me where and how audio is superior to midi's capabilities of MAKING  or CREATING music as opposed to merely RECORDING it.  I think not.  
  
I didn't say the audio controls cannot enhance the recorded material.  What I said was MIDI enables a MUSICIAN to create music.  And I don't NEED any of the audio recording part of SONAR to make all the music I can possibly pull out of the ether by using MIDI.

You have the names of these "provers" ? and the web site containing these proofs must be available too somewhere.
 
MY WISH
 
Put up Craig.  I wish to see the proof of your statements of audio's superior abilities to create itself.

Should be easy for you to prove since, according to you, it has been shown time and again.

I could not disagree more.

MIDI in one fell swoop made it possible even for a hack (on normal "classic" instruments) to make meaningful music playing an instrument capable of an infinite variety of musical sounds.  The synthesizer. 

If you haven't ascertained that for yourself after this much time......(2007 you joined here).  I'll presume that you used the software since joining the forum but have no use for the midi portion.  That's cool.  You don't have to and it is an uphill struggle to learn to play a musical instrument via midi as opposed to your fingers and lips and arms and legs and breath.  But it can most certainly be done.  And very very very well too.  Thank you very much. 
 
ANOTHER WISH

I wish that this forum would have a section that is devoted entirely to creating music using the midi portion of the software. 
CREATING the music.........not using precreated loops or articulations also precreated and available in some notation program.  In truth anyone can take some loops and slap them into a Sonar recording session and move them around and come up with some kind of stew that sounds like music.  It is music.  Just wasn't created by someone who can honestly be called a musician.  An artiste??? Sure I'll go with that. 

It's not an insult to be called an artist or artiste.
Many visual artists can't draw or paint or do much of anything usually considered to be an artistic method.
Assemblage is one such method.
 
Much Aloha
 


 

yorolpal


I liked the idea someone had way back earlier in this thread about different Sonar lines:

Sonar X1Post  for all us commercial broadcast types
Sonar X1Score   for all the notators and composers
Sonar X1Producer  which would be basically what we've got without the video, post pro and notation sections.
of course you'd still have to have

Sonar X1MaxPro   with everything AND the kitchen sink thrown in but it would cost so much that only Mike McCue might buy it.

Not really keen on this idea for several reasons:


1 - Cakewalk should never try and do Post.  It's a small market, and the current product just isn't anywhere near suited for it, which means a shed-load of money and time spent developing features it has never pretended to have.  It would simply be a very bad business decision.  IMHO, the last thing that market needs is another product - there are three biggies and some also-rans already, which is more than enough.  As it is, everyone else is under permanent pressure of the Protools "I'm A Global Standard" monolith, even though theirs might be superior products (and I can vouch for Pyramix there!)

2 - the proposed X1Producer involves removing features that have been in the product for many years.  I can't see how this is a step forward!  You can see the threads now.... "you're telling me if I pay more money, I get LESS than I get now?!!!!"

3 - There is obviously an overlap between composers who use notation and those who work with video, but in this particular venn diagram there are large sections who need one feature without the other.  By lumping them together, you don't solve the problem of targeting a version at a particular market.

IMHO, it doesn't take long to arrive at a simpler conclusion - just make what's already there work better!

yorolpal


Sonar X1MaxPro   with everything AND the kitchen sink thrown in but it would cost so much that only Mike McCue might buy it.

 

Ahem - between all the rantings, there is actually a worthwhile debate going on!  Anyone else fancy continuing it?