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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 07:55:01
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finish attaching the UI to the engine
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 11:46:19
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My wish list.............. These are what I persoanlly consider very URGENT fixes: 1) Control Bar needs to be redone, as the one in X1 is, in many cases, unusable: Its "Modules" must be customizable, and all visible/usable at once on screens of ANY size/resolution, just as it used to be....... 2) Take those old-fashioned multi-level menus AWAY, whose features must be set to specific tools/buttons to be placeable on above mentioned Control Bar "modules", welll, just as it used to be.... 3) Features removed from the Track Headers, now available only within the Inspector, must be also placed, possibly as an option, at their original place... yes, as it used to be... 4) GUI's colors must be fully customizable, and dark skins are highly requested (also proved by Panup's Mods success...) and, again, as it nicely used to be.... The following is not very urgent, but would be nice...: 4) give the SONAR logo BACK... "identiity" is what makes anything recognizable...  THANKS for attention....
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 13:55:28
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Take those old-fashioned multi-level menus AWAY
I work in software development. Usability testing has shown again and again that this is the most hated UI workflow.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 14:11:01
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But... practically speaking, a sensible design makes good use of screen real estate by putting things you need a lot on the top level UI, and things you don't need to use that often on lower levels. I can't think of any truly deep application that wouldn't be a horrible sea of buttons if everything was on the top level UI.
So the issue is inevitably more detailed than "get rid of the menus". It's more a question of, "what's tucked into a menu that should be within easier reach?" I can think of a couple of offenders in X1; auto crossfade, for example, really should have a top level always-visible indicator.
What specifically does everyone else feel is inconveniently placed? I know you could say "make everything customisable", and that's a fair enough thing to want, but talking in terms of a general default arrangement, what's too buried for people?
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 14:43:12
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As more a keyboard & control surface user there's nothing that's really tucked away 'cos just about anything can be assigned to a button press.
Having said that I can see why a user who prefers the mouse won't be as impressed. Buttons are the only real way to go for mice, everything else menus etc is more work but as you've rightly pointed out if you make everything available on a button you end up with a sea of buttons.
Customisation is the answer. IMHO of course
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 14:55:09
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To supplement this.. I would suggest if this aspect is a major annoyance to some folks to take a leaf out of the gamers notebook.. Gamers have been customising for a long time.. If you use a gaming keyboard like the G11, or a game controller like the belkin nt52e then you get extra buttons, macros in abundance... over 100 key/macros with this combination. Dont like using the keyboard for shortcuts?.. the nt52e alone gives 60 assignable buttons/macros without moving your left hand one inch... and DRAMATICALLY improve your productivity :) FastBikerBoy As more a keyboard & control surface user there's nothing that's really tucked away 'cos just about anything can be assigned to a button press. Having said that I can see why a user who prefers the mouse won't be as impressed. Buttons are the only real way to go for mice, everything else menus etc is more work but as you've rightly pointed out if you make everything available on a button you end up with a sea of buttons. Customisation is the answer. IMHO of course
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 15:00:34
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As more a keyboard & control surface user there's nothing that's really tucked away 'cos just about anything can be assigned to a button press.
Having said that I can see why a user who prefers the mouse won't be as impressed. Buttons are the only real way to go for mice, everything else menus etc is more work but as you've rightly pointed out if you make everything available on a button you end up with a sea of buttons.
Customisation is the answer. IMHO of course
I think customisation is an answer, but not the only one, and in many cases not even the best one. It still matters to have a default arrangement that gets most people as far as possible.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 15:02:53
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I do think people who feel they prefer the mouse are cursing themselves to a generally slow workflow that a bit of learning keyboard shortcuts could radically improve. That's a general point about using computers, not specific to Sonar, though Sonar is an application where learning the shortcuts is an immense benefit. I think was true even prior to X1, when there were a lot more things as top level clickable buttons.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 15:14:49
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i still think changing the ui, and as a side effect introducing a new and different, more rigid, less flexible workflow, isn't a good thing
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 15:24:40
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That is why I harp about full customization. Because not everyone likes using just a keyboard or mice really. Never mind the idea that one can even imagine a touch screen as interface... Why it should be Either/Or is beyond me. 
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 15:24:51
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I used to use the PC keyboard to control the transport when recording my guitar and bass tracks, but now I use my VS-20 for that. It's just a pity there's no button on it for the keystroke I use most - Ctr+Z  For mixing, I use a combination of the mouse and the VS-20 faders; I rarely use the keyboard. So for me, a degree of customisation would be cool.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/20 16:09:56
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pwal
i still think changing the ui, and as a side effect introducing a new and different, more rigid, less flexible workflow, isn't a good thing
See that's where I disagree. Screensets have made for a more flexible workflow for me. I can now effectively have ten versions of the same project open and all can be recalled instantly. X1 is far quicker to work in than previous versions as far as I'm concerned. YMMV of course.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/22 10:47:53
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Take those old-fashioned multi-level menus AWAY
I work in software development. Usability testing has shown again and again that this is the most hated UI workflow.
Yes, Notecrusher... exactly my feeling..... ... that's something I definitely find NOT acceptable for a modern DAW... I won't accept any excuses from Cakewalk for this step back... never.... unless they fix it... of course..!
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/22 11:12:07
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pwal
i still think changing the ui, and as a side effect introducing a new and different, more rigid, less flexible workflow, isn't a good thing
See that's where I disagree. Screensets have made for a more flexible workflow for me. I can now effectively have ten versions of the same project open and all can be recalled instantly. X1 is far quicker to work in than previous versions as far as I'm concerned. YMMV of course.
...yes, screensets are useful, and you can have more versions of the same project open... ...but the problem here concerns the workflow WITHIN the project windows themselves.... thus, in OUR personal view of course, now what you get in the end is instead ten SLOWER versions of the same project open... I think new nice additions should have been merged with well consolidated workflow system, without "erasing" legendary (and true...) SONAR's flexibility.... that's the main point, in my opinion...
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/26 17:32:01
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I see no use for a record or play button. Please remove for X2.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/26 22:38:50
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...and that save feature! What were they thinking?
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/27 00:17:10
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John T
I do think people who feel they prefer the mouse are cursing themselves to a generally slow workflow that a bit of learning keyboard shortcuts could radically improve. That's a general point about using computers, not specific to Sonar, though Sonar is an application where learning the shortcuts is an immense benefit. I think was true even prior to X1, when there were a lot more things as top level clickable buttons.
The problem with the computer keyboard is that it's on the far side of my controller keyboard and uncomfortable to reach. That's why I prefer the mouse.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/27 23:17:07
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"Gapless" audio like Ableton- the ability to throw in FX without glitches which make me thinnk my monitor tweeters are going to explode.
FX bin: All instead of custom by default.
I wish all VST's could react like the prochannel; they are "off" until a dial is moved in which case they become active. Very classy.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/27 23:27:28
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Vertically scrollable Pro Channel on small monitors.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 06:44:41
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John T
I do think people who feel they prefer the mouse are cursing themselves to a generally slow workflow that a bit of learning keyboard shortcuts could radically improve. That's a general point about using computers, not specific to Sonar, though Sonar is an application where learning the shortcuts is an immense benefit. I think was true even prior to X1, when there were a lot more things as top level clickable buttons.
The problem with the computer keyboard is that it's on the far side of my controller keyboard and uncomfortable to reach. That's why I prefer the mouse.
That's why I ended up getting a wireless keyboard...that was as well...a certain little one by the name of Spring can curl up with me and I'm not having to type chicken wing stylee!! 
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 07:01:43
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1. Scrollable Control Bar
2. Pro Channel reset switches
3. A Tap Tempo button in Transport module of the Control Bar
4. UI Color Customization
5. Bugfixes
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 07:18:39
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John T
I do think people who feel they prefer the mouse are cursing themselves to a generally slow workflow that a bit of learning keyboard shortcuts could radically improve. That's a general point about using computers, not specific to Sonar, though Sonar is an application where learning the shortcuts is an immense benefit. I think was true even prior to X1, when there were a lot more things as top level clickable buttons.
The problem with the computer keyboard is that it's on the far side of my controller keyboard and uncomfortable to reach. That's why I prefer the mouse.
+1 The mouse is usually far more convenient than the keyboard. Especially when one-click only features are available... as it was in SONAR 8.5................
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 07:27:37
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audiyo
1. Scrollable Control Bar
2. Pro Channel reset switches
3. A Tap Tempo button in Transport module of the Control Bar
4. UI Color Customization
5. Bugfixes
...good point above, "audyo".......indeed.... The thing really driving me crazy in X1 is NOT having the capability to reach all Control Bars Modules at once... On a 19" screen, I can only have just a half (...!!!) of them visible altogether........... meaning I have to painfully switch and switch and switch...... To me, that's the worst change in X1..... ...and "Scrollable" Control Bar could be a serious solution.....
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 08:13:38
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Take those old-fashioned multi-level menus AWAY
I work in software development. Usability testing has shown again and again that this is the most hated UI workflow.
But they are the easiest when you are new don't know you way around a program or for finding rarely used functions. Its always easier to read plain English on a menu than look up a PDF of key bindings or decipher a Icon. I say retain them as an alternative to buttons or keystrokes.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 08:37:56
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Again.
Full customization to your own workflow...imagine the possibilities.
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 08:43:57
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1. Scrollable Control Bar
2. Pro Channel reset switches
3. A Tap Tempo button in Transport module of the Control Bar
4. UI Color Customization
5. Bugfixes
+ 6. Customizable Control Bar modules (all of them) 7. Allow to select and move (reorder) multiple tracks in Console/Track view at once 8. Resizeable FX bin so more than 3 FXs can be visible at a time = all modules of a channel strip could be resizeable 9. Free placement of bus strips among audio/midi tracks in CV/TV 10. Improved stability 11. Gapless audio engine 12. Searchable key bindings
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 08:52:31
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Again.
Full customization to your own workflow...imagine the possibilities.
....yep... that is the real "class action".............
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 10:06:45
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2. Pro Channel reset switches
Hi Jeremy, if this is what you're after, there's a reset option among the list of presets - Misc - Full Reset.pcp 
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Re:Sonar X2 Wish List
2011/08/28 10:09:02
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* Add professional Score. * Free choice of all colors in SONAR. * Give all Selected tracks the same ICON in "One GO" with help of "ALT + Click", Icon. *All recorded MIDI or AUDIO clips will get automatically "stretch/Slip edit" to closest BAR or BEAT in Arrange window. (Default Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools clip behavior and feature) * Let us give free "color blocks" for different selected Faders in Console View. (Pro Tools HD feature) * Have an extra CONSOLE-View called CONTROL ROOM-Console that has all professional routing and capabilities. (Cubase, Nuendo feature) * Give us an second generation "PRO Channel". * NVIDIA CUDA support. * Add more process with help of more AVX- Technology.
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