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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 18:10:09
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Muziekschuur at home
Don't forget that an X-1 expanded now is over 800 dollar I think. So the total price of the new product will rise?
I hope PE stays where it is. I have nothing against Expanded. And like the modules they offer. Would love a LA2A plugin myself. But I can get by with what I currently have. Just hate the troubles lately with X1D.
I don't mind that Pro Channel modules and possible other future add-ons are optional. But I do think that you should be able to buy those add-ons for the produkt kalled Producer Edition without having to upgrade to a very slightly improved version called Expanded. Basik workflow stuff like "replace synth" should be in Producer, no ekskuse IMO...
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 18:32:41
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I do think it's an odd decision to put the "barrier" of Expanded in the way of sales of ProChannel modules, yeah. I expect that will change at some point. I'd also imagine the ProChannel will migrate through the product range eventually. Producer-only features have generally made their way into the lower-priced editions within a couple of version numbers.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 18:40:41
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I do think it's an odd decision to put the "barrier" of Expanded in the way of sales of ProChannel modules, yeah. I expect that will change at some point. I'd also imagine the ProChannel will migrate through the product range eventually. Producer-only features have generally made their way into the lower-priced editions within a couple of version numbers.
It will likely change as "Expanded" rolls into the next new full update. The same way that, once the market had been exploited, Dimension Pro and Rapture got rolled into the SONAR product.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 18:59:04
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I expect so yes. The way I see expanded is that it's a mid cycle product that replaces some of the lost revenue of annual upgrades. I think it's quite a good idea, basically offering a cheaper x.5 release in between full revisions.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 19:00:42
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The upside for the users being that the patch releases continue for non expanded users too.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 19:04:15
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OK, here's my answer to my own question... I think they should stick with X1 and keep building upon it until more users and non users make it their favorite go to DAW. What is Pro Tools, Studio One 2, Cubase, FL Studio and even Reaper? X1 should be on everyone's radar. The updates really help and so does adding an upgrade option like Expanded and the modules to go along with it. I think it's safe to say that X1 will always be Essential, Studio, Producer and Expanded. And I no longer mind that it's a step up from Producer like I did in the past. The name just sticks like chewing gum and has a nice sound to it, "Sonar X1 Expanded". What I also think they ought to do is add more features to Expanded to get more users onto Expanded along with the great promotions they run. Initially, I didn't think much about Expanded and didn't buy into it because of the few features it offered. But it had synth replace and FX Chains that I wanted to eventually check out. I do want them to add more cool features since it does cost half of what the Producer upgrade is going for and the modules also cost $49 or more a piece. So getting onto Expanded does cost a lot more and especially adding those modules. I didn't have to buy it but eventually I bought into it. So that will probably happen when X2 comes around but I hope it doesn't come around by end of the year. Usually people look forward to new and improved products and technology, but this is one case where I rather prefer they stick with what they have and just improve upon it some more. And it being software, makes it possible and accessible to users. And with Expanded, it actually has helped prolong X1's life cycle. So therefor if they keep Expanding and Expanding... and keep on pushing it, X1 will be around much longer and more updates will follow that address the remaining bugs while improving upon X1 overall. This didn't happen to any previous version of Sonar, that is why 6, 7, 8 and even 8.5 will always have their bugs that will never be fixed along with features that felt were never finished like V-vocal, Beatscape, Matrix View, Staff view, etc. So X1 is really the best of the bunch and is still the current flagship product but more can be ironed out or added to make it everyone's favorite go to DAW.
There is one tiny thing you forget - Cake need to make money too.
Hopefully Expanded stuff helped them do that while X1 had free updates for 15 month now. I don't know who is benifitting from this Expanded. - Users paint themselves into a corner getting less and less freedom to choose what they really need. Instead are forced to buy packages that someone else decided for them - and everybody is just half happy. There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!! Steinberg should be awarded some big price for that - something better than Nobel price. It's a really awesome achievement. Why should we need another standard like Expanded and then extensions to this for ever and ever to plugin new stuff in Expanded? AND IT WORKS ONLY IN SONAR I don't get it - you're loosing freedom by the minute. I can see why Cake is doing it though. I see the daw as almost the toolbox - just to carry the tools in. And the tools I buy elsewhere or from Cake to fill that box - but each tool for my specific needs. Why keep buying a different toolbox with a certain set of tools in it - year after year just slightly different. And with inset boxes that does not fit any other toolbox.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 19:07:43
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Not this again. How is there "less choice"?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 19:08:44
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I want more hours in the day.
And to pass Beagle in post count.
OK Seriously.... If X2 has working drum maps, true across the board color customization and folders in folders (and throw in a gapless engine) I'll take it over more modules/synths/jewlery.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 20:28:23
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If/when X2 comes along it might be an idea to have just the one product i.e. Sonar X2. Period. No X2 'lite', no X2 Expanded. Just quite simply Sonar X2. And a range of dedicated affordable midi X2 controllers would be nice, in a similar vain to but much improved on version of Steinberg's efforts for Cubase. But hey, I left this forum and use Logic so not sure if I'm allowed to make such sweeping suggestions? 
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 20:32:58
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lfm, I didn't mean to come off as saying that Cakewalk should keep pushing X1 and Expanded and not make any money off of them. I'm sure Cakewalk made a huge chunk of change when X1 was initially released and the same could be said about Expanded. If they keep on marketing while improving both X1 and Expanded in general - I am sure there will be more sales and revenue. A lot of non X1 users will also decide to check out the DAW that's aging like good old wine. But it's also up to us users to spread the news through word of mouth. X1 could be a house hold name in more users home studios and professional recording studios but it's tough when there is so many competing products. The thing that will attract more users to Expanded are the modules. That is why they aren't releasing just 2 or 3 but more is on the way. They're making their money and extending X1's life cycle at the same time while rolling out additional bug fixes and features through FREE updates. I just think, they can continue to do it longer and still remain viable in the competitive DAW market.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 20:40:52
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X2 will come when its ready. Do we really care as long as X1d works ?
But hey, these sort o posts push up the count, no ?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 22:42:15
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I am pretty sure that expanded will get rolled into producer. And that a lot of people will be ****ing about the upgrade pricing structure.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 22:50:13
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"I am pretty sure that expanded will get rolled into producer. "
That would be the common sense thing to do. It must be bewildering for a prospective customer trying to work out what version does what at the moment.
Maybe something like: Sonar LE-which is given away with Roland Hardware, Sonar Essentials: not quite everything you want but all you really need, Sonar Producer: the works.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/21 23:19:10
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I feel there will be no more free Major updates
X2 will come along and no one will be happy with it Like X1 did.
It too shall pass....
I am going back to making music.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 01:33:45
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+1 to building on X1, even thought i love X1, i have given cake enough of my money, so i dont think i will be upgrading when they do build it, unless their is something i cant live without, like a money back gaurentee if i dont go platinum!! haha
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 01:45:09
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7 months till October, 9 months till December... thats along time for them to sit idle. I think there will be one more major updates if they plan on an X2 this coming Fall or Winters. I hope they dazzle razzle us with splashes of colors or make it possible for us to customize the GUI throughout with colors of our choice. We all make X1 look pretty, like Panup with his Mods. X1 would win Most Aesthetically Pleasing DAW award. Something you won't hear at the Grammy's.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 03:31:36
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There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!!
It would be had they given some thought to automatic GUI display when a track is selected. That is where the PC wins every time for me. I don't buy the painted myself in a corner bit either. I'm fully aware that should I ever decide to move DAWs I won't be using the PC modules. I'd say that was part of the marketing strategy, one users can choose to buy into or not. I spent £9000 on a new bike then another £1500 on 'extras' - rear sets, double bubble, exhaust system etc. - When I changed bikes and found out the extras wouldn't fit the new updated model (by the same manufacturer) was I furious? Of course not - I accepted that was the likely outcome at time of purchase. Back to X1...... (and the bike analogy) I actually had more choice as I didn't have to buy them at all but if I chose to improve on the base model that is built to a price. Without that choice the base model would be out of the reach for some in the first place. That's a good thing no?
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lfm
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 06:38:46
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There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!!
It would be had they given some thought to automatic GUI display when a track is selected. That is where the PC wins every time for me.
Back to X1...... (and the bike analogy) I actually had more choice as I didn't have to buy them at all but if I chose to improve on the base model that is built to a price. Without that choice the base model would be out of the reach for some in the first place. That's a good thing no?
Sounds like a good feature with GUI autodisplay. On the other hand, is it hidden for all the tracks that does not use it? I felt Inspector was cluttered with stuff I don't want to see, like PC and extra column of faders. It could very well be a good feature request to have gui hidden/minimized of plugins visible when track is not active anymore. You don't need Steinberg involved for that. I'm getting the Waves CLA bundle for $196 and that is basically what is core in PC and I can use it in whatever daw I choose. I'm glad there is Sonar SE still, and I'm sticking with that. Hopefully X2 with all customization options one can think of. I still think Sonar 8.x looks more professional.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 06:42:23
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I felt Inspector was cluttered with stuff I don't want to see, like PC and extra column of faders. You do know that you can 'shrink' the Inspector so that it only shows the track itself, and no downstream or Midi buss yes? Just grab hold of it's right edge and drag to the left. Likewise, PC is only displayed if you click the relevant Header in the Inspector (Next to Track & Clip)
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 06:50:54
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John T
Not this again. How is there "less choice"?
If you're expecting a new interface like Expanded to cover all your needs. You can sit there and tap your fingers for a year and maybe, just maybe they add what you want. It's such a clever approach with these VST plugins, why leave it for something else? There were too many voices wanting Cake to use up developer resources and going down that lane. Like FastBikerBoy was on to - more options for putting away gui dynamically of VSTs on track by track bases. Me too would like that for a certain phase of work. Toggle option with keyboard shortcut by track. Such improvements to make life easier is what Cake should focus on - in my view. Not new plugin interfaces.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 07:06:30
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FastBikerBoy
There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!!
It would be had they given some thought to automatic GUI display when a track is selected. That is where the PC wins every time for me.
Back to X1...... (and the bike analogy) I actually had more choice as I didn't have to buy them at all but if I chose to improve on the base model that is built to a price. Without that choice the base model would be out of the reach for some in the first place. That's a good thing no?
Sounds like a good feature with GUI autodisplay.
On the other hand, is it hidden for all the tracks that does not use it?
I felt Inspector was cluttered with stuff I don't want to see, like PC and extra column of faders.
As Bristol_Jonesey has pointed out you can have the inspector slim like it was in previous versions. That is also remembered on a per screenset basis. It can also be hidden/called up via the "I" keypress. If you never use the PC you don't bring it to the front simple as that. It could very well be a good feature request to have gui hidden/minimized of plugins visible when track is not active anymore. You don't need Steinberg involved for that.
They all ready do now, it's just they are within the PC framework I'm getting the Waves CLA bundle for $196 and that is basically what is core in PC and I can use it in whatever daw I choose.
That's great, you choose those in the same way that I choose the PC modules, there's nothing wrong with either approach. I'm happy for you to do that I'm only concerned that I'm allowed to have my chosen method left alone. I'm glad there is Sonar SE still, and I'm sticking with that. Hopefully X2 with all customization options one can think of. I still think Sonar 8.x looks more professional.
Looks are a very personal thing, I always managed in previous versions but when I last opened 8.5 it looked very higgledy piggledy to me, almost toy like, and worse still - it hasn't got screensets. 
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 07:59:19
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For me personally, it would make sense now for the Cakewalk team to separate the release of new ProChannel stuff from general Sonar X updates/upgrades. If they've done the infrastructure correctly, they can develop new ProChannel modules at anytime and sell them when available.
If one of the new modules requires some "extended" feature to be added to Sonar X, then they could state "must run Sonar X1.752334" or whatever when attempting to purchasing the module.
So, for me. The next upgrade of Sonar should be about making the DAW better.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 09:41:19
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8.53 may look like a toy but I'm constantly having to use it to do the functions that haven't worked or have been broken in X1. 1. Drag midi effect from clip to bin, or clip to clip. Fatal Crash 2. Can't Fastbounce melodyne or Antares to clip as of X1D (Mel doesn't process at all fastbounce since X1D, Antares doesn't bounce properly. 3. Frozen tracks becoming un-freezable, and non-frozen tracks showing as frozen. 4. +99.9db on tracks when audio snap is on, clips follow project tempo (stretch), online set to groove clip, Change the tempo and then click around the timeline. Horrible distorting sound. (reproducible by cake) 5. Audio snap not displaying the correct snap markers and threshold slider not functioning/swallowing cursor till sonar closed. (Having to audio snap in 8.53) 6. Pro-channel not working as expected. (on but not ON). Not remembering state on frozen tracks. 7. Export audio adds audio left in buffers to front of bounce unless play tails after stopping is checked. (best to clear buffers in a silent spot. These are but a few of the X1Ds troubles. More fatal crashes since X1D. Customer support working on these issues. X1 looks more Pro, but 8.53 acts more Pro. X1 is STILL not ready for primetime, atleast not in REAL world recording where you use those features that no one else's DAW can do to give you the edge. Edge lost. (eg. here, uh, let me just rename this project so I can open it up in the OLD version to do the tuning, time stretching and cool stuff that's been broken in the NEW version)Shame on DAW. Under pressure, X1 cracks like poorly sacked eggs. FIXES PLEASE!!! Thank you bakers, I know you're trying.... try harder.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 09:46:10
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Working pretty well here in the NON-REAl(TM) recording world. I can't remember the last time X1 crashed on me. Install issues maybe?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 09:56:07
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John T
Not this again. How is there "less choice"?
If you're expecting a new interface like Expanded to cover all your needs.
You can sit there and tap your fingers for a year and maybe, just maybe they add what you want.
It's such a clever approach with these VST plugins, why leave it for something else?
There were too many voices wanting Cake to use up developer resources and going down that lane.
Like FastBikerBoy was on to - more options for putting away gui dynamically of VSTs on track by track bases. Me too would like that for a certain phase of work. Toggle option with keyboard shortcut by track.
Such improvements to make life easier is what Cake should focus on - in my view. Not new plugin interfaces.
I always find it odd when someone quotes a question, and then writes a long reply, none of which addresses the question at all. Again, how is there "less choice"? Previously, you could mix and match your own effects choices out of VSTs. Since ProChannel, you can still mix and match your own effects choices out of VSTs. What choices were available before that now aren't?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 09:56:18
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Install issues maybe? Sounds like it to me. My system is blowing 8.5.3 out of the water.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 10:17:10
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I wish it was install issues and NOT reproducible by cakewalk.....but if they can reproduce it, it's not an install issue.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 10:28:20
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FastBikerBoy
There is an excellent standard - VST effects and VST instruments!!!!
It would be had they given some thought to automatic GUI display when a track is selected. That is where the PC wins every time for me.
I don't buy the painted myself in a corner bit either. I'm fully aware that should I ever decide to move DAWs I won't be using the PC modules. I'd say that was part of the marketing strategy, one users can choose to buy into or not.
I spent £9000 on a new bike then another £1500 on 'extras' - rear sets, double bubble, exhaust system etc. - When I changed bikes and found out the extras wouldn't fit the new updated model (by the same manufacturer) was I furious? Of course not - I accepted that was the likely outcome at time of purchase.
Back to X1...... (and the bike analogy) I actually had more choice as I didn't have to buy them at all but if I chose to improve on the base model that is built to a price. Without that choice the base model would be out of the reach for some in the first place. That's a good thing no?
i tryed to be good but one point you are missing .your bike parts can still be resold. like the ones i have beside my house ,along with car part i got 500 bucks, where talking about, code DATA 0-1 this is nothing, its not a object. but the guys that write core code are top notch, cakewalk is far superior than anything iv worked with. but its a daw unsellable. and where talking about a plugin that once finished sits on a server,you wont be bringing your virual toolbox anywhere cus in reality you own a code, nothing more.so to answer your post, when you got the new bike you know in the back of you head that there is many folks who could use the unused part.good luck taking a softtube mod made for 1 product to ebay like you can any object known to man. so what do biike's brownies,sound card you name it. and you could own it,. at least my t-racks stuff can go for the ride to another daw on my flash drive. with 2 hours of updates, but these new cakewalk products do nothing more that make shure they make more, and thats not bad,this issue is about content for software, and how they sell it,
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 11:04:16
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Not this again. How is there "less choice"?
If you're expecting a new interface like Expanded to cover all your needs.
You can sit there and tap your fingers for a year and maybe, just maybe they add what you want.
It's such a clever approach with these VST plugins, why leave it for something else?
There were too many voices wanting Cake to use up developer resources and going down that lane.
Like FastBikerBoy was on to - more options for putting away gui dynamically of VSTs on track by track bases. Me too would like that for a certain phase of work. Toggle option with keyboard shortcut by track.
Such improvements to make life easier is what Cake should focus on - in my view. Not new plugin interfaces.
I always find it odd when someone quotes a question, and then writes a long reply, none of which addresses the question at all.
Again, how is there "less choice"? Previously, you could mix and match your own effects choices out of VSTs. Since ProChannel, you can still mix and match your own effects choices out of VSTs.
What choices were available before that now aren't?
Well, I always find it odd that people comment without making a quote at all, just an empty post and I had to guess comment was about my post  This is what my comments was about: "What I also think they ought to do is add more features to Expanded to get more users onto Expanded along with the great promotions they run. Initially, I didn't think much about Expanded and didn't buy into it because of the few features it offered." Which I quoted. I objected to putting so much effort into painting users into a corner - and people seems to like it, not having a look through what is in VST market and keeping independence. Cake says: - jump and everybody jumps.... ...sort of.... So how "less choice"? #1. If focus would have been VST there would have been VST3 support already, I'm sure. Expanded and PC takes focus of their improvements to the realm that is painting users into a corner, as I put it. So we cannot choose VST3 plugins!!!! #2. One important reason for Fastbikerboy was that PC was activated when a track is activated, not taking valuable space and having to minimize plugins gui to get rid of them. Me, not having focus on PC, immediately felt this could be improved greatly with very little effort for VST plugins as well. If Cake had focus on VST plugins they would already had implemented this feature for VST plugins. This is just the beginning of missing features for VST, if all focus is elsewhere. #3. The fact that further development of PC and Expanded is Sonar only territory is decreasing choice for users getting acustomed to that. You cannot switch to another daw with the investments you made in Expanded stuff. To switch daw you have to switch all the tools you are acustomed to as well, and learn these new tools. Another example of painting yourself into a corner. If we encourage Cake to put resources into developing this new plugin interface - well, you will suffer the consequences after some years doing that.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/22 11:09:24
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Don't see how you can be "sure" there would be VST3 support, that's nothing but speculation. And currently, the number of VST3-only plug-ins around is not huge. There's a case for adding it of course, but not adding it hasn't *shrunk* the choices available. And you also have the choice to *not* invest in the expanded stuff, if you prefer not to.
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