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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 09:34:55
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Will I buy every PC module? Who knows
Careful there. I posted something similar this morning and there was a knock on my door. It was the Cakewalk heavies come to give me a gentle reminder that I had to...... and I quote..... "buy them or we do ya' kneecaps son" I'm buying. I'm buying.... 
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 09:55:36
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FastBikerBoy
Will I buy every PC module? Who knows
Careful there. I posted something similar this morning and there was a knock on my door. It was the Cakewalk heavies come to give me a gentle reminder that I had to...... and I quote.....
"buy them or we do ya' kneecaps son"
I'm buying. I'm buying....
I'm much closer to Boston than you - I guess I have more to worry about. I like my kneecaps.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 10:28:06
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Do you honestly & realistically believe that VST support will be removed from future Cakewalk products?
Sorry, but this idea is absurd and reeks of paranoia.
If I'm wrong you can call me out when it happens.
I'm with Jonesey here. I've read through this thread, and the one pointed to over at KVR - a load of poppycock by a few paraniod people, who most likely represent a very small, itsy bitsy teeny weeny fraction of 1% of the user base. Doesn't matter what industry / market you look at, there are always a few people who genuinely worry to the extent you could clearly label with words like paranoia, delusional, ridiculous, etc ... you get the picture. What's being said here about proprietary formats to lock you in to their product, all moving toward the removal of VST support really is so ridiculous and over the top. And this sort of stuff ... lfm
You obviously think PC and Expanded are not taking resources away from anything else.
I do - it's common sense.
I'm sorry, you have no way of knowing this, and it's certainly not common sense - and neither are any of the other such "Arguments" against the ProChannel from the neysayers. I'm not even going to waste my time or energy qouting any others and presenting a counter ... to do so would not be common sense, after all, doing so will take resources away from the other (productive) things I should be doing. But you see, there's only one of me. Hmm, I guess that means I should stop doing things alltogether. Since it's only common sense that when ever I do something, I must be taking away my resources from something else. That's really tough, the only way I can prevent taking resources from one thing when I doing something else, is to just stop doing things. Surely you must see - it only common sense (oh fooey). For all anyone knows, a bunch of developers could have been hired by Cakewalk just to work on ProChannel development. So that wouldn't take resources away from anything else at all ... and I don't believe you'd know whether or not that is the case. And then there's the example of third party development of Pro-channel modules - does that take away resources from something that the neysayers think should receive higher priority ?. NO it Doesn't ... here we go - it "Expands the choices in Expanded" This "taking away of resources" is all a load of nonsense, just as is the notion of this "proprietary format moving away from the VST format so they can eventually remove VST all together". Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish, - you obviously don't understand software development at all, what the VST format is, or what the ProChannel is ... which IS VST by the way. The ProChannel VST's (hmm, that's right ... VST) to put it as simply as possible, which anyone should be able to comprehend, simply has another layer to interface into the "Channel Strips". It's actually a brilliant idea, and it's early days for the ProChannel too - there's going to be more great features worked into the "ProChannel beast" as Cakewalk receive feedback and feature requests, and it matures. FastBikerBoy
If VST support is removed, I'll be at the front of the queue complaining. Let's get a grip on reality here though. Unless the VST format goes the same way as the DX format that isn't going to happen is it.
I am more than happy for support & improvements to continue on VSTs, staff view, matrix and all the other parts of the program I barely ever use. I just wish those who, for reasons I cannot comprehend, have a real downer on the PC would stop trying to stop development on it.
It is IMHO an excellent addition to the program that is really starting to come into its own now.
Now that IS common sense !. And those with a real downer on the ProChannel are not going to have ANY impact on the development of the ProChannel. That small minority will either poke their noses in the air, burry their heads in the sand, and choose to be left behind,while
the majority who see things for what they really are, take full advantage of the ProChannel, add on modules, and the
workflow improvements we get from it ... OR ... they'll jump on board when they open their eyes, come to their senses, and realize what they're actually missing out on. I can tell you right now, the ProChannel provides huge workflow improvement for me, and it obviously does for others too. I'm able to work so much faster both tracking and mixing, the ProChannel is a TRUE blessing. I have to say ... taking advantage of what the ProChannel has to offer is just common sense  and it IS. And if you really don't see things that way, you have the choice to NOT use the ProChannel, and just do things the OLD way with standard VSTplugs from whoever you want to give your money to. Ahh, 'Nuf said'. I've wasted enough time and energy writing this, time to go do something productive and let the party continue without me . Honestly, I'm actually quite peeved with myself for wasting my time on this, but it's too late now. I can't get the time back, it's been spent, so I'm posting it now and getting out of here. Actually, better catch some sleep - off to see the G3 Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Steve Lukather tonight and it's 3:30 am already !. Cheers - Cliff
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 10:42:17
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Whats somewhat humorous to me is that for quite sometime it was a frequent conversation point that Cakewalk should stop forcing customers to pay for synths they already had, for plugins that would not be used because of the quality of third party VST options availlable, for .... well you get the drift. Well the day comes when Cakewalk listen to this concern and go to an À la carte system for additional plugins where if you don't want it, you can choose not to buy it - leaving the choice to have it or not up to the end user, and guess what the end result is - people complain that either they are not getting it for free, or that it's an evil plot to reduce the functionality of the core product.
Funny how these things work.
ProChannel seems to be (from the development effort put towards it and the quality of modules released) a successful product for Cakewalk, one that is generating revenue for them. I can't possibly see how that's a bad thing. I've bought into the concept for similar reasons to others - I like the way it works into my workflow. Will I buy every PC module? Who knows - if I find the plugin useful to me, I will buy it. I could choose to spend my money on third party plugins as well - but it's my choice, one of the benefits of an À la carte system. For many years Cakewalk has had portions of it's development dedicated to optional components for the various levels of their base product - this is nothing new. The core product remains.
Hey Jind, you are right on the button. There are always the few noisy complainers who are discontent even when they get exactly what they ask for. And as you point out, even complain when they're given more choice. I think it's a bit much for some people to handle. I'm quite sure this is a very big success for Cakewalk ... if it wasn't, we wouldn't be seeing what we're seeing. And as for the complainers who can't see the choice as a good thing, and take advantage of it ... I really don't care about them at all. It's their problem, and ONLY their problem. The rest of the world will continue to move forward - either with them or without them ... and it won't make the sligest difference to the rest of the world, just a bit of wasted bandwidth and database storage to record their disgruntled moans. Right ... Off to bed. Best wishes to y'all now . Cheers - Cliff
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 10:57:19
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I actually don't know who is more insane....
Those complaining about the PC that they don't have to buy because they don't like it (because it's not VST / interface is too small / it's proprietary / doesn't sound good / too expensive )*
or me for humouring them and stating the obvious........
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 11:35:33
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cliffr
Actually, better catch some sleep - off to see the G3 Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Steve Lukather tonight and it's 3:30 am already !.
Cheers - Cliff
Can I come? I saw the G3 Tour back in 2001 at the Fleet Pavilion up in Boston with Satch, Vai, and Petrucci - would love to see this one with Lukather on board.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 12:12:00
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FastBikerBoy
Yes, I got you wrong.
It would still make me prepare plan B, when VST support is taken away.
Eventually that would happend.
I'm willing to take a pretty big bet that VST support doesn't disappear in the next 10 years. As someone has pointed out DX is still supported and that died a death nearly 10 years ago IIRC.
There will be new OS'es demanding changes to plugins etc.
That's progress, else I'd still be on an Amiga and others on Win 3.1
Today there are no worries....I'm preparing for the next couple of years doing full time music production.
It's beyond that horizon my worries are....will investments today soon to be a waste....
Why would investing money in today's developments be a waste? If I never ever bought another computer or piece of software or hardware ever again, I still have what I've paid for to use and make music with. I could carry on making music for the next hundred years with the equipment I have now, breakdowns permitting of course, but they can be fixed. I've still got several friends that pay huge amounts of money for hi-fi units made 20 or 30 years ago.
It ain't suddenly gonna get turned off like a tap.
I got S4 2005, and VSTs was still a separate adapter you installed. Internally Sonar was DX technology, and is still. Now they more or less hidden it behind the scenes though. So don't forget history of Sonar. They reluctantly folded and introduced this adapter for VSTs. It was $50 extra. DX was already gone in 2002, you say? I don't agree. My view it was still growing in the number of hosts that supported it 2005. Everybody thought Microsoft would win every battle. Maybe since x64 computers were arriving DX died. Now Microsoft are really worried, since smartphones and Pads use other OS and number of computers sold are dropping rapidly in favour of these new technologies. Less Windows licenses to charge. Of this we had no idea 10 years ago - not MS either. Times are changing much more rapidly now than ever before. I think Cake would be happy to throw out this VST adapter if they could. If it is like you say - 10 safe years with VST support in Sonar - the no probs at all. I just try to be an eye-opener to those that think PC and Expanded is a blessing and a new plugins interface is just fine. It comes with a warning tag! If you build your abilities to handle everything in PC and Expanded - it would be a shock for those that depend on this solely. Every tool you have and know is proprietary to Cakewalk and there is nothing you can do but do what Cake says - or throw it all away and buy it over again in some other format. - Jump or reinvest and learn it all from start in another format. Take it or leave it - just my view.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 12:46:59
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Do all the people who bought UAD cards complain that they locked themselves into a standard for that product? No - they use the tools they choose to use. This desire to see a conspiracy in Cakewalk offering something unique unto themselves, something that differentiates them in a world of similar products is just that - a feature. One that is completely optional, one no one is being forced to use. If Cakewalk goes the route of forcing upon it's users an either/or situation then you have ground to stand on - until then your warning is a chicken little proposition. What evidence is their that the VST sky is falling? Products trying to differentiate themselves in a mass of similarity? I tend to think not. But I guess I'm just fooling myself because their all out to get us. We live in a world where people want more options, not less. Cakewalk has given it's users another one, they've not taken away any. It'a always the same - no one tool will ever fit everyone, not every change will please all the people. One persons garbage is another's treasure. But as you said - we've been warned. Take it or leave it - just my view. It's the one thing we all can agree upon - opinions are individual in nature, we all see what we want to see.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 12:49:39
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I'm not sure I buy this "you'll have to learn it all from scratch" thing. Learn how to use an EQ from scratch? I know how to use an EQ. I am confident I could use any EQ, whether digital or not, with extreme ease, at any time. And I don't think that's a particularly special skill or anything. It's an EQ.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 13:25:54
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Every tool you have and know is proprietary to Cakewalk and there is nothing you can do but do what Cake says - or throw it all away and buy it over again in some other format. Or... freeze both raw and processed tracks.  I was wondering though... what exactly is it that you think Cake might "say"? It's as though you're seeing some radical change in your mind, something we've never seen before from CW. Something that locks everything non-CW out of SONAR, as opposed to just locking ProChannel in to SONAR.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:02:24
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I've pretty much decided to go expanded with this latest $50 deal (through March 31st). I regretted not doing the $10 expanded deal a month or two ago because I could really use the concrete limiter and now I'll have to pay more to get it.
BUT I'm still very annoyed with the lack of control over colors. It just caused me a slight problem with a project by my latest client: He wanted me to do a number of takes within some tracks and comp them using track layers. However, for my first mix, I did not see that some takes were not muted--because the yellow/green on the mute indicator for layers is not clearly visible against the Sonar grey! I need higher contrast for my eyes!
If I don't get full color control, I ain't buying X2.
Also, this has to be a bug: in previous versions, I could always draw a fade-in on the beginning of a clip, then slip-edit the clip, sliding the fade-in over. Can't do that in X1 at the beginning of clips! It works at the end of clips though. Please fix, bakers!
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:10:12
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lfm
FastBikerBoy
Yes, I got you wrong.
It would still make me prepare plan B, when VST support is taken away.
Eventually that would happend.
I'm willing to take a pretty big bet that VST support doesn't disappear in the next 10 years. As someone has pointed out DX is still supported and that died a death nearly 10 years ago IIRC.
There will be new OS'es demanding changes to plugins etc.
That's progress, else I'd still be on an Amiga and others on Win 3.1
Today there are no worries....I'm preparing for the next couple of years doing full time music production.
It's beyond that horizon my worries are....will investments today soon to be a waste....
Why would investing money in today's developments be a waste? If I never ever bought another computer or piece of software or hardware ever again, I still have what I've paid for to use and make music with. I could carry on making music for the next hundred years with the equipment I have now, breakdowns permitting of course, but they can be fixed. I've still got several friends that pay huge amounts of money for hi-fi units made 20 or 30 years ago.
It ain't suddenly gonna get turned off like a tap.
I got S4 2005, and VSTs was still a separate adapter you installed. Internally Sonar was DX technology, and is still. Now they more or less hidden it behind the scenes though.
So don't forget history of Sonar. They reluctantly folded and introduced this adapter for VSTs. It was $50 extra.
DX was already gone in 2002, you say?
I don't agree. My view it was still growing in the number of hosts that supported it 2005. Everybody thought Microsoft would win every battle. Maybe since x64 computers were arriving DX died.
Now Microsoft are really worried, since smartphones and Pads use other OS and number of computers sold are dropping rapidly in favour of these new technologies. Less Windows licenses to charge.
Of this we had no idea 10 years ago - not MS either.
Times are changing much more rapidly now than ever before.
I think Cake would be happy to throw out this VST adapter if they could.
If it is like you say - 10 safe years with VST support in Sonar - the no probs at all.
I just try to be an eye-opener to those that think PC and Expanded is a blessing and a new plugins interface is just fine.
It comes with a warning tag!
If you build your abilities to handle everything in PC and Expanded - it would be a shock for those that depend on this solely.
Every tool you have and know is proprietary to Cakewalk and there is nothing you can do but do what Cake says - or throw it all away and buy it over again in some other format.
- Jump or reinvest and learn it all from start in another format.
Take it or leave it - just my view.
I got into Sonar at V2 and I bought the wrapper you are referring to, I was guessing about when DX FX stopped being developed TBH but when it happened is irrelevant. My point is the DX support is still there, still useable so fearing that the VST support is going to collapse overnight because of the PC modules is a bit extreme. I bought Windows 95 when it came out knowing it would be superseded. I'll take my chances with the PC. It suits my workflow, I love the sound and I think improves my untalented racket, that's good enough for me. I must be a fairly quick learner I managed to learn how to use most of the PC after all of a few seconds.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:10:24
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That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:28:15
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John T
That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?
Not sure whom you were addressing, John. Was that me about the slip-editing?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:32:07
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From Brandon's mouth over at the KVR Thread related to the PC2A Leveler:
We didn't sit around trying to figure out how to screw our users if they dared to leave the platform. We sat round trying to figure out how to offer them better functionality that would improve their workflow when mixing music. Fill up a ProChannel with modules and see how cool it is. We're musicians, not corporate raiders.
Beyond that, I can't see us ever removing VST support. Hell we even keep DX support in SONAR and there is very little if any development on that format. We just don't want to render anyone's plugins obsolete - but at the same time we want to move forward.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=345145
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:38:18
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thank god it's not a cross platform app 8-/
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:41:01
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John T
That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?
Not sure whom you were addressing, John. Was that me about the slip-editing?
Yes. Sorry, thread's going too fast.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 14:56:35
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Get X1 right first then move on to X2. I don't see why this is even up for debate. Why should we buy upgrades for buggy software. If X2 comes out and its not working up to snuff I will probably jump ship.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 15:43:45
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After the disaster of the X1 release I'd find it hard to believe that cake is looking to release X2 anytime soon and I don't think users would make the jump. I certainly won't. Make the Sonar X-series core near unbreakable with patches and keep us entertained with PC modules while the bakers work on many new major features and revisions for X2. That's what I'd like to see at this point. However, the PC modules will have to be top notch otherwise they will kill off the PC allure, if there is one yet, slowly.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 15:53:27
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It's amazing how people get whipped up around here. Cakewalk have made absolutely no mention of releasing an x2.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 15:57:01
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What X2 is out? Where's the link? 
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 16:00:28
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They're not selling it that way. They come round to your house and force it on you. Also, it has NO FEATURES. they've removed everything. It's just an empty box.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 16:02:02
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Fantastic, I'm in...............
I hope it's at least £500 as well, I'm not paying a penny less.........
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 18:24:48
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Jind
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Actually, better catch some sleep - off to see the G3 Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and Steve Lukather tonight and it's 3:30 am already !.
Cheers - Cliff
Can I come? I saw the G3 Tour back in 2001 at the Fleet Pavilion up in Boston with Satch, Vai, and Petrucci - would love to see this one with Lukather on board.
We saw G3 back in 2008 at Birmingham NEC with Vai, Satch & Fripp. Right now, I'm pretty envious
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 18:56:58
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That works fine for me here. What happens when you try to do it?
Not sure whom you were addressing, John. Was that me about the slip-editing?
Yes. Sorry, thread's going too fast.
Well, after I apply a non-destructive fade using the smart tool at the beginning of a clip, the cursor will not change to allow me to crop the beginning of the clip.
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 19:17:16
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Hmm. Odd. Like I say, works fine for me. Are you just not aced in the right vertical position at the clip edge maybe?
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 22:26:34
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Oh yeah, a simpler way to have one MIDI source drive multiple synths (i.e. mulitple drum VSTi) would be nice too.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/03/23 22:31:06
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Yeah, especially Producer and Producer Expanded should be merged into one.
Yes! The current upgrade path from the basic X1 CAN be confusing... I liked it when Sonar was simply Sonar Producer Edition, with just update patches...
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/07/31 12:42:10
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Quoting Blogman: "8.53 may look like a toy but I'm constantly having to use it to do the functions that haven't worked or have been broken in X1. 1. Drag midi effect from clip to bin, or clip to clip. Fatal Crash 2. Can't Fastbounce melodyne or Antares to clip as of X1D (Mel doesn't process at all fastbounce since X1D, Antares doesn't bounce properly. 3. Frozen tracks becoming un-freezable, and non-frozen tracks showing as frozen. 4. +99.9db on tracks when audio snap is on, clips follow project tempo (stretch), online set to groove clip, Change the tempo and then click around the timeline. Horrible distorting sound. (reproducible by cake) 5. Audio snap not displaying the correct snap markers and threshold slider not functioning/swallowing cursor till sonar closed. (Having to audio snap in 8.53) 6. Pro-channel not working as expected. (on but not ON). Not remembering state on frozen tracks. 7. Export audio adds audio left in buffers to front of bounce unless play tails after stopping is checked. (best to clear buffers in a silent spot. These are but a few of the X1Ds troubles. More fatal crashes since X1D. Customer support working on these issues. X1 looks more Pro, but 8.53 acts more Pro. X1 is STILL not ready for primetime, atleast not in REAL world recording where you use those features that no one else's DAW can do to give you the edge. Edge lost. (eg. here, uh, let me just rename this project so I can open it up in the OLD version to do the tuning, time stretching and cool stuff that's been broken in the NEW version)Shame on DAW. Under pressure, X1 cracks like poorly sacked eggs. FIXES PLEASE!!! Thank you bakers, I know you're trying.... try harder." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Blogman, exactly the same troubles with Sonar X1D for me, and constantly having to go back to 8.53, which actually does mostly work despite the confused GUI. Also add to this the problems with Jbridge crashing with Sonar X1 64 bit in Windows 7 64 bit and X1 is pretty much a dead duck for me. Plus add to this the unfixed 8.5.3 problem of sonar intermittently crashing when doing a file cleaning operation, and I say intermittently because it might crash 15% of the time when it's still searching through the system drive for files. I've decided to move on and use another much more reliable DAW for my main work, and keep Sonar there for the mean time to see if X2 is any better. What I'd like from Cakewalk / Roland is: 1. to fix the problems outlined by Blogman and myself 2. to bring back the 8.5.3 clip automation menu using right click not the cumbersome system used in X1 3. To introduce automation lanes!! this feature is really essential for reliable editing. 4. To improve the GUI so it doesn't look so bulky with it's huge buttons etc, all things outlined before in various posts. Colour would be nice, in fact essential, as it looks pretty dull at the moment. 5. To make the video function more reliably with different video formats, which it doesn't do well at present, and with dual monitors the video tends to flip upside down in the video window as you move it around, which makes Sonar unusable for any serious work involving writing music for videos or films. The little things I've detailed above are essential before I'd even consider using Sonar again as a serious work tool. All the extra bells and whistles are eye candy and mostly not important, so listen up cakewalk, please fix the broken stuff and don't add lots of new stuff and I'll be happy using Sonar again. And people wonder why professionals generally use Logic or Pro tools, well the reason is that those DAWS (and I use these now) generally do what they're supposed to do without all the daft bugs that seem to plague Sonar. But all said and done Sonar is actually a great environment to work in, and damned easy to use, much more so than most other DAWS so it would be a killer app if it was actually reliable to use. Hope you take this on board folks at Cakewalk, because you could really make Sonar destroy the competition if you tried. Cheers
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Re:Sonar X2 in December or more modules and updates for X1?
2012/07/31 13:20:45
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Not sure what problems you're referring to with Jbridge but I'm using it with x64 all round in Windows 7 and it's solid here. Is it any particular plugs causing problems? Some admittedly work better in bitbridge, VC-64 for example but generally jBridge is better for most and hasn't crashed SOnar here (yet  ) .
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