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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
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I've never heard one second of anything from a lot of you that claim to be using Sonar as professionals.
Seriously.
www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton All the music videos were done with Sonar X2, and for whatever reason, it has been very well-behaved in my studio. You'll also find some videos on mastering techniques with Studio One Pro :) And there's a video of a live performance using Ableton Live. Right tool for the right job, and all that. I also use Sonar for narration, which includes video projects I've done for Acoustica, Gibson, Harmony Central, Cakewalk, PreSonus, Avid, Olympus, Guitar Center, and other companies. As I've stated before, I know how to use, and do use, a variety of programs. It just so happens that Sonar does what I need for the type of projects I do. If I had to do engraving-quality notation, or score feature films, I probably wouldn't use Sonar. I think more people should spend their time finding the tool that meets their needs best rather than trying to force a tool that wasn't designed for their needs to fit their needs. Also, recognize that all software has bugs. Part of trying to find the right tool involves finding software whose bugs are not relevant to your particular workflow.
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I think this forum has taken this rather well considering that comparing Mixcraft to Sonar is like comparing a row boat to a battleship. Somewhat insulting.
I DLed Mixcraft just to see what it was like. It is now uninstalled. It didn't run well and it was not a good experience.
What Mr. Particle sees in it is rather baffling.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 17:33:40
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Truth is that you simply wouldn't be a dope for using Reaper or Studio One or Mixcraft, those DAW's don't fu_k with your mix every day and get in the way of putting out the goods. But using Sonar, well hey, enjoy the incessant bugs and anomalies that just keep popping up day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, upgrade after upgrade, decade after decade. HULLOOOOO? Biff this sh_t until cakewalk stops taking you for a ride people, how long are you gonna let them keep yanking your chain. Clearly, going by Sonar's track-record for the last decade Cakewalk needs a new head-programmer and a proper team of coders who know what the hell they are doing. No DAW on the planet has the disgusting track-record that Sonar has, and continues to have. If i owned Cakewalk I would have sent the head-programmer out the door years ago, he's a total dud, and has amply proven that he's an amateur.
I currently have a song running 19 individual softsynths each on their own track, plus 18 audio tracks, plus tonnes of realtime midi, and over 120 effects ALL RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY, and still my CPU IS ONLY AT 21%. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A PROFESSIONAL DAW. Oh hang-on, i forgot, we are fu_kwits for not doing a 5 year diploma in Windows configuration and hardware research LOL, you guys and your 2 cent come-backs are just a sad lot. The facts show that Sonar is a lemon, plain and simple, it has been from the start, and just keeps getting worse, but Mixcraft has shown itself to be a reliable competent full-fledged Pro DAW, which only costs $149 i might add; I don't need to use a multi-fader console, i make dance music with high-end analog-emulation software plugins and a midi controller, and all's good here.
And obviously as you can see by the KeyBoard magazine review, i ain't talking sh_t.
I go over to groove 3 for a few weeks and come back to this? WOW....I found this whole thread entertaining so I decided to go back to grove 3 and look for a tutorial on Mixcraft ....looking ......looking ....I mean version 7 they must need tutorials that explains how to use a profesional DAW like Mixcraft right? looking ......... looking .........hmmmmm.
there is a bunch of pro tool videos. there are some reaper ones there are some cubase. oh look a few studio one videos....wow look at all the Sonar videos. detailed videos of instruction. hmm still looking for that professional DAW Mixcraft video. oh look, there is a fruity loops video...nope don't see it.
Well the next step is to go to the Mixcraft website look what it says.
"Recording yourself for the first time may seem daunting - but it doesn't have to be. If you want to record vocals, guitar, or other musical instrument with your computer or MIDI then you'll need an audio interface. An audio interface is the hub between your audio source & Mixcraft." I just thought that was very...ummm instructional.
http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/studio-gear.htm
Well then the next step is to look at the features of Mixcraft. oh look a feature comparison chart. Voxengo Amp Simulator, Voxengo Spectrum Analyzer, Shred Amp Simulator, Broadcast Mulitband Compressor, all the classic Kjaerhus effects. There are a lot of older plug-ins that are included that just happens to be freeware. anyone can download those vst plugs for free. That is one reason Mixcraft is so cheap. but look if I pay more money i can get even more freeware. Oh joys of excitement fill my bowels!
http://www.acoustica.com/.xcraft/compare.htm
I'm sorry Sonar has not worked for you. Did you buy the full version or did you buy essentails. Just wondering. What version did you use? I don't have the problems you seem to think everyone is having. I guess i must be in that 25 percent catagory. I am not saying people don't have problems and Sonar is not perfect. I do think you are talking sh_t as you say. Why else would you be here? If there was no entertainment value for you would be gone. While I don't doubt you have issues I don't think all of them are with Sonar!
Football fans don't take this the wrong way but mixcraft Fanbois are worse then Some of the Dallas cowboy fans I run into!
Marcus you need to stay around here and keep things in perspective for us all. That post was brilliant!
I even agree with you about the Dallas Cowboys point. They sure aren't my team. I'm a Detroit Lions fan, need I say more?
Thanks John, most people in this forum have a better grasp on things then I do, that is except for the particle of God that lacks wisdom and understanding. I did take a long hard look at Magix....I mean Mixcraft. The feature request showed a lot of insight. If I buy the 49 dollar version I get some basic features like the kjaerhus collection, but the 79.00 version includes Shred Amp simulator (which is pretty good for freeware) and Broadcast multiband compressor which is also freeware. Don't get me started on the software synths. I bet you this included freeware software synth for the 79 dollar price will give Rapture a run for its money. http://www.martinic.com/combof/ here is the link to get the Shred amp http://acmebargig.com/product/shred/ Seems to me that Mixcraft is nothing more then a collection of freeware with rewritten audacity code. Then again maybe I am just a, how you say it?....Fanboi
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 17:34:29
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Well John, I think so much depends on what you want to do. Mixcraft has really good video capabilities, and a lot of very useful loops. Some people see it as a sound library for needledrop music with a DAW attached, others as a direct-to-YouTube way to generate videos to post their music online.
I think it's vital to this industry that products exist for all levels of users, as well as for users with a variety of needs. Sonar X2 is overkill for some people, but I need all the tools it offers so I'm really glad it exists.
Back in the day, when people were transitioning from 2" 24-track to digital, I always recommended Pro Tools simply because it followed that tape/mixer paradigm more closely than any other program. But after quite a few of those people became comfortable with "DAW-think," they ended up finding other programs that were better-suited to what they wanted to do. Still, I don't think they could have made that transition without the intermediate step. And of course, some people stuck with Pro Tools because all they really needed was a replacement for tape and a mixer.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 17:34:31
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John
I think this forum has taken this rather well considering that comparing Mixcraft to Sonar is like comparing a row boat to a battleship. Somewhat insulting.
I DLed Mixcraft just to see what it was like. It is now uninstalled. It didn't run well and it was not a good experience.
What Mr. Particle sees in it is rather baffling.
i agree, i had to see what all the hoopla was about so i checked it out as well. im not just saying this to be negetive to my particles. but honestly,it remeinded me of pro audio 9 in many ways. very simple interface,gui looks more like a coloring book than a professional daw. and very limited features.like automation for example. theres only a few different parameters. the effects are bland and weak and resemble more of something you would download as a free plug in from KVR. nothing to see here folks move along.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 18:02:55
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Well John, I think so much depends on what you want to do. Mixcraft has really good video capabilities, and a lot of very useful loops. Some people see it as a sound library for needledrop music with a DAW attached, others as a direct-to-YouTube way to generate videos to post their music online.
I think it's vital to this industry that products exist for all levels of users, as well as for users with a variety of needs. Sonar X2 is overkill for some people, but I need all the tools it offers so I'm really glad it exists.
Back in the day, when people were transitioning from 2" 24-track to digital, I always recommended Pro Tools simply because it followed that tape/mixer paradigm more closely than any other program. But after quite a few of those people became comfortable with "DAW-think," they ended up finding other programs that were better-suited to what they wanted to do. Still, I don't think they could have made that transition without the intermediate step. And of course, some people stuck with Pro Tools because all they really needed was a replacement for tape and a mixer.
Mr. Anderton your wisdom is unchallenged by me and as you must already know you are a kind of hero to me. None the less, this thread is about an OP admonishing Sonar users on a CW forum to throw out their beloved Sonar in favor of Mixcraft. For some it may have value. I do not quibble with that notion. For the sort of user on this forum running Sonar X2 Pro its absurd to consider it to replace X2. That was and is my only point. For video I use Vegas Pro. I would like a small, solid and usable program to do small videos and have so far not found one including Mixcraft. If you look at my quoted post with this perspective I don't think we are in any disagreement.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 18:18:48
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Bub
I've never heard one second of anything from a lot of you that claim to be using Sonar as professionals.
Seriously.
www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton
All the music videos were done with Sonar X2, and for whatever reason, it has been very well-behaved in my studio. You'll also find some videos on mastering techniques with Studio One Pro :) And there's a video of a live performance using Ableton Live. Right tool for the right job, and all that.
Surprisingly, there is a lot of stuff on Youtube done with X2. Of course, that was the only Sonar version I searched for, so I can't compare it to say, X1 or previous versions. What I ran across seems to be all Midi based. I can't recall one with any Audio tracks at all, although I'm sure they're out there. I think more people should spend their time finding the tool that meets their needs best rather than trying to force a tool that wasn't designed for their needs to fit their needs. Also, recognize that all software has bugs. Part of trying to find the right tool involves finding software whose bugs are not relevant to your particular workflow.
Now this is going to cause some self inflicted internal head trauma to a few folks ... but I love Sonar. Yes, I said I LOVE Sonar. It is my tool of choice. I don't want to use another tool, I love the tools in Sonar and want them to do what they are supposed to. I've yet to find anything comparable to the Step Sequencer. I can use that thing and create a drum part that I promise you, you couldn't tell from live playing. I think that point gets lost in all the threads about the bugs. As for system stability and all that discussion, I haven't had any system instability in many years. I had a few bad sticks of RAM one time, I can count on one hand, not including my thumb, the number of HDD's I've had go bad. I've swapped components such as Video Cards that I wasn't happy with the performance of, but 'stability' ... no problems. Had a PC get hit by lightning one time. Burned a big hole in the back of it where it went in through the modem. :) I was an avid PC gamer at one time, you want to talk about making a machine run lean ... talk to those guys. This ' daw tweaking' is a joke compared to the extremes we used to go through. I've given up on PC gaming, went with a Playstation. Well, anyway, here's to X2B and may it make all our dreams come true. LOL :)
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 18:34:54
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Well John, I think so much depends on what you want to do. Mixcraft has really good video capabilities, and a lot of very useful loops. Some people see it as a sound library for needledrop music with a DAW attached, others as a direct-to-YouTube way to generate videos to post their music online.
I think it's vital to this industry that products exist for all levels of users, as well as for users with a variety of needs. Sonar X2 is overkill for some people, but I need all the tools it offers so I'm really glad it exists.
Back in the day, when people were transitioning from 2" 24-track to digital, I always recommended Pro Tools simply because it followed that tape/mixer paradigm more closely than any other program. But after quite a few of those people became comfortable with "DAW-think," they ended up finding other programs that were better-suited to what they wanted to do. Still, I don't think they could have made that transition without the intermediate step. And of course, some people stuck with Pro Tools because all they really needed was a replacement for tape and a mixer.
Mr. Anderton your wisdom is unchallenged by me and as you must already know you are a kind of hero to me. None the less, this thread is about an OP admonishing Sonar users on a CW forum to throw out their beloved Sonar in favor of Mixcraft. For some it may have value. I do not quibble with that notion. For the sort of user on this forum running Sonar X2 Pro its absurd to consider it to replace X2. That was and is my only point.
For video I use Vegas Pro. I would like a small, solid and usable program to do small videos and have so far not found one including Mixcraft.
If you look at my quoted post with this perspective I don't think we are in any disagreement.
Correct, we aren't; all your points are well-taken. I certainly would not throw out Sonar in favor of Mixcraft (although once sitting in a hotel room when editing a video and needing to throw together a music bed in 15 minutes, Mixcraft was ideal because of its loop library). I guess my point is more about every program having merit for particular applications, and that matching the application to the software is paramount. If all you need is GarageBand...then all you need is GarageBand. I know a lot of people who are happy with GarageBand; more power to 'em. I think you're right that the world needs "Vegas Pro for Mortals." I use maybe 30% of its potential, but am very thankful for that 30%! I had an interesting conversation at NAMM with Phil Clendeninn from Yamaha, one of their top clinicians. He said there's no such thing as bad sounds, only inappropriate ones. That really stuck with me. I think that's probably true of software as well.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 19:05:28
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What's a Mixcraft? Is that like a Kitchen-aid, or sumpin'?
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 20:20:11
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I better not tell anybody I'm on an album project using Cake and pro tools at the moment ;)
What's best? Who cares, whatever tool does the job. Can anybody tell me which songs in the top 40 are made with PT, cake, cubase just by listening?
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 20:31:58
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Anderton
Well John, I think so much depends on what you want to do. Mixcraft has really good video capabilities, and a lot of very useful loops. Some people see it as a sound library for needledrop music with a DAW attached, others as a direct-to-YouTube way to generate videos to post their music online.
I think it's vital to this industry that products exist for all levels of users, as well as for users with a variety of needs. Sonar X2 is overkill for some people, but I need all the tools it offers so I'm really glad it exists.
Back in the day, when people were transitioning from 2" 24-track to digital, I always recommended Pro Tools simply because it followed that tape/mixer paradigm more closely than any other program. But after quite a few of those people became comfortable with "DAW-think," they ended up finding other programs that were better-suited to what they wanted to do. Still, I don't think they could have made that transition without the intermediate step. And of course, some people stuck with Pro Tools because all they really needed was a replacement for tape and a mixer.
I think more to the point here is that this is a child (yes, for real, a child) here to make trouble. He lives for this. This is very easily seen in his other ridiculous childish thread. I do not understand why CW allows this garbage on here. It's not about standing up for Sonar, it's about a child coming here to make trouble and get folks upset. And obviously he has. I did get caught up in it last time, my bad. Not this time.
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chuckybaby reckons: {Quote} 1: i had to see what all the hoopla was about so i checked it out as well. i'm not just saying this to be negative to mr godparticles. but honestly, 2: It reminded me of pro audio 9 in many ways. 3: Very simple interface, gui looks more like a coloring book than a professional DAW. 4: And very limited features, like automation for example, there's only a few different parameters. 5: The effects are bland and weak and resemble more of something you would download as a free plug in from KVR. {Unquote} My response to number... 1: So there was enough doubt about using Sonar for him to be compelled to take a look at Mixcraft 2: Which means nothing. 3: Finally a DAW company that knows how to design a simple interface while still providing every feature one could want to make any kind of music imaginable without the endless irrelevant superfluous menus of junk that only serve to confuse and strain one's memory every time they try to use their DAW. 4: Total non-truth and misnomer. So here is the description taken from the Mixcraft feature-list... -New Automation features provide automated control of all parameters in any VST effect, VSTi instrument, or Mixcrafts own effects. All tracks can contain an unlimited number of automation curves on an unlimited number of effects and instruments. In addition, you can even automate the track volume & panning, and more. -Master Track allows you to smoothly automate the global effects parameters and master volume, for smooth and easy fade-ins and fade-outs for your mixes 5: The download trial of Mixcraft only provides a few of the basic effects that are available in the full version. The full Pro 6 version of Mixcraft is bristling with effects, many of which are very usable. And actually, that is the best place to save on the cost of Mixcraft. At only $149 for the Pro 6 version, that leaves me $349 to spend before reaching the same cost as Sonar, but it puts me in a position to buy EXACTLY the effects and plugins i need and thus end-up with a DAW that easily rivals Sonar for the same money, but with far better stability, far fewer bugs (actually, none), and superior low-latency performance that needs no special drivers to get true PRO performance. Actually, someone in here had the gall to say Mixcraft has no PDC, are you people on drugs? While i'm here, to offset all the lies about Mixcraft and the two-cent putdowns, i might as well show you some more of the features that gives Mixcraft pro-status, straight from their feature list. 1: 32 bit SSE2-optimized sound engine supports recording and playback of broadcast quality audio up to 192 kHz and 32 bits. 2: Time stretch any sound from 25% to 400% with FlexAudio™ without affecting the pitch. 3: Support for up to 16 processor cores takes full advantage of today's cutting-edge multi-processor computers. (Which explains why i have only ever managed to use 23% of my Quad-Core i7 running the most humongous projects in realtime) 4: WaveRT Exclusive Mode (available with Windows 7 and up) provides ultra-low-latency, solid audio performance on most audio hardware without any special sound card drivers. With WaveRT Exclusive Mode, Mixcraft can interface directly with the audio hardware, bypassing the operating system for low-latency audio performance without any special drivers. (And thus explains why i get zero latency performance under huge realtime loads that beggars belief, and apparently makes Sonar look like an amateur in comparison; all without any third-party audio interface) 5: Burn CDs of your mix with just one click. 6: MIDI input and output support will work with any USB MIDI keyboard or any instrument connected to a MIDI interface. MIDI control surface support for transport controls, effect controls, and instrument controls 7: Automatically detects beat locations, keys and tempos of imported songs. 8: Support for DirectX™ & VST™ effects, including plug-in delay compensation. 9: ReWire Hosting allows you to sync other music applications with Mixcraft. 10: Submix Tracks allow grouping audio and MIDI tracks together to create a single submix. Output Tracks (aka Output Busses) allow grouping tracks to a single output bus (with support for multiple hardware outputs). 11: Mix To New Audio Track (aka Bouncing) allows you to mix down an Audio Track or Virtual Instrument Track, complete with all effects and automation, to a new audio track. This is a great one-click method to save CPU or “lock in” the edits and effects that have been applied to a track. 12: Archive your entire project to a ZIP file or new folder. 13: Powerful piano roll editor allows you to edit MIDI data easily. Create MIDI loops by adjusting the loop points. Edit notes and controller information with ease. 14: Split, cut, copy, delete and paste sounds with ease. 15:Multi-monitor support lets you take full advantage of computers with multiple monitors. So please guys, lets be REAL! At the end of the day, even in comparison to Mixcraft, Sonar is just another "I also ran!" Pro DAW my ass.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 20:39:08
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How shall we f*ck off, O Lord?
Nice copy and paste job BTW. From what I understand verdana rules!
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2013/02/05 20:53:34
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OK, godparticle, we get it. You are deliriously happy with your cheap little program. We like Sonar. Now please go make some music with your new love and leave the rest of us alone. Your rant is not enriching our lives or helping us make better music.
Your posts would probably be much more welcome on the forum for the product you use, if there is a forum for that. THIS forum is for those of us who enjoy using Sonar and want to get the most out of it. This thread has been a waste of time, even for you.
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Still he did paste the feature sheet. We gasp in amazement. 32 bit woo! Still all that extra memory his app isn't able to use can be used to store high quality porn.Wow he has a laptop with 16 cores (has the CPU melted out of the bottom?) Wow it even copy's and pastes... What wonders. He truly is the Messiah!
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2013/02/05 21:08:47
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Well, how to reply to that?
Never mind, Bub will be along shortly to agree with him. What was the old saying about knowing people by the friends they keep?
@ the OP -If you like Mixcraft, and can produce the music you want on it, why bother looking elsewhere? Make some great music. Let them know you by your deeds. All power to you.
I like Sonar. I can produce the music I want on it. For me, it is stable.
I have an HP desktop, have not tweaked my system apart from power management, I run Norton anti-virus, surf the web and record many tracks, MIDI, softsynth and audio, with relatively low latency.
I have had to tweak the settings in Sonar quite a bit, to get it to run well on my system, but now I have found the "sweetspot" it runs well.
This is not to say that other people aren't having problems. I am not paranoid and think that anyone having a different experience to me is working for another DAW company.
I am real, do not work for Cakewalk, and am not delusional. Yes, we are all individuals..
Now, how shall we f +ck off, Oh Lord?
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jbow
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 21:13:43
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Cool... I haven't seen a real troll in a while. How are things under the bridge?
Some things never change. People who cannot figure out how to use Sonar or don't have hardware that will work with it... then they, like so many these, blame everyone and everything except for them self... where the true blame lies.
Eh...
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/05 23:33:09
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3: Finally a DAW company that knows how to design a simple interface while still providing every feature one could want to make any kind of music imaginable without the endless irrelevant superfluous menus of junk that only serve to confuse and strain one's memory every time they try to use their DAW. And there you have it - Mixcraft has "every feature that one could want", while SONAR has "endless irrelevant superfluous menus of junk that only serve to confuse and strain one's memory". It seems you have confirmed what others have implied (or outright stated).
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godparticle
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2013/02/05 23:51:48
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And what others have implied or outright stated is that Sonar is overly complex, convoluted, full of bugs and stability problems for at least 50% of users, and is a fu_cking drag to set-up in order to get standard everyday performance, and needs an expensive esoteric 3rd-party soundcard just to achieve half-arsed performance. And you know what that says, it means that really Sonar hasn't got it where it counts, and everything else it does is no different than any other cheap DAW on the market. And seeing as it's been confirmed that the upcoming Mixcraft 7 will be 64 bit and Windows 8 certified, i would say that puts me in a very good fu_king position, wouldn't you? Not to mention all the other goodies that are gonna be newly included. At the start i was so enraptured with the thought of using Sonar, but alas, Cakewalk has brought this on themselves, their wretched track-record with bugs and increasingly worse patches is just a complete fu_k-up, and has been for the last decade, and more so than any other DAW company. Whereas other DAW companies have had their bad periods which got resolved, it was no where near as incessant and ongoing as Sonar's woes. The head programmer at cakewalk needs to be fired, simple as that. He's had ten years to get his act together, and what, nothing but one mess after a fuc_king nother. So now that i have evaporated all the non-truths about Mixcraft and have proved it's credentials, all i'm getting is empty responses full of blah blah; it seems i've reduced you lot to a pack of bitter confused sarcastic types. Do you want some medication, i've got plenty here to go round ROFL... i win, you lose, AND NOW YOU MAY FU_CK-OFF! Be gone demon! I adjure you to come out in the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches. And the demon replied "Jesus i know and have to obey, and Paul i know, but who are you?" So the demon leaped on those men and bashed them violently, and those men went out of that house naked and wounded. "I know who you are, you are Jesus, the son of God, have you come to cast me out before my time?" "Be quiet demon! come out of him now, and go to the dry places!" And the demon left that man at once, and the man sat humble and weeping, in his right mind, and glorified God who had given such power to Jesus, seeing as how he had been vexed with a legion of spirit demons.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:15:12
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godparticle
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2013/02/06 00:17:54
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I couldn't have put it better myself.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:19:00
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HERES A LIST OF PROBLEMS THERE HAVING OVER AT THE MIXCRAFT FORUM: looks like there plug ins cause latency- http://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11083&sid=6def1a4fed8b5b29f696b4793458d91a or how bout this one ,a kid with an,Intel i3 + 4 gigs of ram. his system cant keep up with it.(this was a little while back) http://demon.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=22765 or this one i love: "Hi. I'm trying to get set up to make tutorial videos for Mixcraft 6. But I'm having problems with Mixcraft experiencing fatal errors." http://demon.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=43137 or this one where users claim they cant run more than 20 tracks or they get crackles and pops. http://demon.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=42180 what about this kid with eratic timeline latency problems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVosIeuPygs you see every daw has problems somewhere,your claims are eritating not because you have a problem but which the way you are going about these problems,rather than acting like a child you shouls load sonar back up like a big boy and ask for help. i know at this point it may be humiliating but there are good people on this forum will over look everything you have said and help you. i am first on that list. i will help you trouble shoot any issues you have with sonar the best i can. im not saying i will make you happy,because thats up to you. but darn it particle. you basically just threw away the best technology in digital audio recording to play with a daw that looks like it was manufactured in the late 90's bro. you mixes will sound 20x better using sonar. youve already wasted 4 bills if your throwing sonar away. dump the craft and fire sonar back up and let us know whats going on. we'll help you. but thats up to you. the ball is in your court now. you make the choice.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:21:56
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Heh, Heh.... he's off his meds.  C'mon y'all and grab a stick - It's fun to poke the monkey's cage!
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:29:00
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...Sonar is overly complex, convoluted, full of bugs and stability problems for at least 50% of users
...and needs an expensive esoteric 3rd-party soundcard
...So now that i have evaporated all the non-truths about Mixcraft and have proved it's credentials, all i'm getting is blah blah blah blah in return; it seems i've reduced you lot to a pack of bitter confused sarcastic types. You may be a little delusional, Ms. Particle, but still kind of funny. Have a good night and enjoy the craft of mixing. PS... I never thought of my little Scarlett 18i6 as an "esoteric 3rd party soundcard" before. Cool.
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godparticle
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2013/02/06 00:40:07
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Your unbelievable chuckybaby, more beguiling misnomers. You failed to state with your first link that the guy said normally he gets no such problems with latency on any other effect; might that mean that the SIR effect he was trying to use was at fault? I'd say so. Mixcraft has PDC, what part of that don't you understand?? That second link of yours, man oh man, try running Sonar on an i3 and then tell us what happens, you'd be better-off burning yourself at the stake than trying to put-up with running Sonar on an i3 with 4 gig of ram. That third link of yours, well hey, 0.001 percent of users had a fatal error message, what are you trying to say? Sonar has 33% of users reporting such a friggin thing. That fourth link of yours, well that guy is using Mixcraft 5 for god's sake. Unbelievable man, chuckebaby comes in here with four links trying to diss the credibility of Mixcraft, and three of those links had no substance, and the other one sounds to me like he needs a registry cleaner. If those non-issue examples are the best you can come-up with, well hey, that is one hell of an endorsement for the stability of Mixcraft. Nothing to see here folks, move on, just a kaos agent spreading false propaganda. Now would you like me to post all the links from sonar users having issues in the last 3 months? No, thought not, on your bike. And FYI, i have already been told by the Mixcraft developers that Mixcraft 7 will have brand new graphics similar to Studio-One and Logic-Studio. Not that the graphics have anything to do with the sound. And how is Sonar gonna give me better sound chuckebaby? How? The integer maths for mixdown and recording in DAW's is all 'identical' across the board, and is the same for ANY DAW, just like the rubber on car tires, it's all identical. Anyone claiming otherwise hasn't got a clue. Thanks to the low cost of Mixcraft i was able to spend money getting high-end plugins like Lexicon reverbs and Izotope Mastering tools among others, so how the hell is Sonar gonna give me better sound?? Delusions of grandeur chuckebaby, or just self-deluded? Next please.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:46:45
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"Now would you like me to post all the links from sonar users having issues in the last 3 months?" ............ Actually, yes, I would like to see that. We tried that before with X1. It was an amazing eye opener if I remember correctly.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 00:59:21
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i downloaded mixcraft once and it sucked yak schlong...and not in a good, monica lewinsky, hail to the chief way. Honestly I found Acid more useful. I had a friend that used mixcraft , but he admitted he was too lazy to try a more advanced DAW (and he included FL studio in that list). Even he eventually ditched Mixcraft. Not trying to insult Mixcraft (despite my crude analogy), but it's just not in the same ballpark. That is what makes this thread so funny. Some angst filled kid comes in hear singing the praise of a toy and people jump on it because they are so defensive about their precious Sonar. I like Sonar too, but not enough to fight trolls over it. If he genuinely feels the why he does about Mixcraft then let him. Who cares. I could never imagine going to the Mixcraft or any other product forum and post Sonar specs. I would defend my family or my gf that vigorously, but not a piece of software.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 01:01:16
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Hi Godparticle. Nice to see you back. Any word on when you're going to post some examples of the "banging club tunes" that you're making with Mixcraft? We're so awfully eager to hear them. What are you afraid of?
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2013/02/06 01:04:20
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dubdisciple
i downloaded mixcraft once and it sucked yak schlong...and not in a good, monica lewinsky, hail to the chief way. Honestly I found Acid more useful. I had a friend that used mixcraft , but he admitted he was too lazy to try a more advanced DAW (and he included FL studio in that list). Even he eventually ditched Mixcraft. Not trying to insult Mixcraft (despite my crude analogy), but it's just not in the same ballpark. That is what makes this thread so funny. Some angst filled kid comes in hear singing the praise of a toy and people jump on it because they are so defensive about their precious Sonar. I like Sonar too, but not enough to fight trolls over it. If he genuinely feels the why he does about Mixcraft then let him. Who cares. I could never imagine going to the Mixcraft or any other product forum and post Sonar specs. I would defend my family or my gf that vigorously, but not a piece of software.
I'm not familiar with Mixcraft, but I think some DAW's are more suited toward people who want to make EDM with as much algorithmic assistance as possible, i.e. having the DAW create grooves for them, and re-grooving stuff into perpetual variations etc. I make EDM and electronic and prefer to do everything from scratch myself, composition wise. I'm sure that if I was that kind of EDM producer then I'd get a lot out of DAW's like Abelton, Reason, Mixcraft etc.
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godparticle
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!
2013/02/06 01:11:23
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Mixcraft doesn't do **** for anyone, we gotta do everything from scratch, it has no beat-mixing tools or arrpegiators at all. As to your previous post. I would prefer that you just turn-up at the club and see what people do with their bodies when they are dancing to my tracks. THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP at 144bpm, so what do i wanna do this time, ping the bass down to 5 hz, nah, too low, i'll ping it up to 50 hz, ahhh much better; now slam that kick-drum with Dcam-Bus compressor, ahhh, now ere cooking; so what do i wanna do with that raging phat lead-synth, i need some ambience, oh, i have a Lexicon reverb in my kit, put that mother in there, talk to me, OK lets get some Ozone 5 all over that, yummy yummy, ok, now what's for the clap, big and chunky, nice work, and now the hi-hat, well yeah, TR909 on the floor for that one. This 42 year old teenager is having fun. Poppin pills with the girls coast-to-coast were pumpin. Come on sharke, give me a listen to your stuff then i might consider it.
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