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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:15:09 (permalink)
But the guy is right Beepster. Yeah, he could have and should have went about his post differently, but for the most part he's right. And for that, we can't knock him. For his demeanor, yes, for his views, no, he's pretty much dead on.

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:28:48 (permalink)
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About OP and this forum!

Seriously, you should need at least have some knowledge or basic training about DAW & studio before you actual have the right to post here.
Its about time that Cakewalk follow Steinberg's concept of all their forums. If you own the products and you know how to use it you can post, if not you can't be a member.

Many that post here is not even Sonar users too. Sometimes I even have my s-u-s-p-i-c-i-o-n of paied "fake" members carried out promotion of other DAW.s.
I think everyone should be required to post samples of their work also.

I've never heard one second of anything from a lot of you that claim to be using Sonar as professionals.

Seriously.

For all the community knows, you are Cakewalk employee's being paid to promote Cakewalk for damage control.

It's no more far fetched than you claiming some people are fake members being paid to promote other DAW's.

I know for a fact that some folks here at one time were endorsed by Roland/Cakewalk ... it was on their website ... not that that's a bad thing, but I've never once seen a critical post about Cakewalk or Roland come from them.

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:32:17 (permalink)
Little bit paranoid..

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:36:30 (permalink)
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Little bit paranoid..
Maybe you should up your meds then jb101?




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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:38:10 (permalink)
I have no idea why some of these users stay with X2 with the claimed problems they are having. IF I was having these problems and it was stopping my work, I would simply move on to a software tool that worked for me. ?? Been with sonar since version 3 and nothing else on the market appeals to me to replace it. It has always worked well so therefore, I keep using it. Pretty simple approach.

 
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:39:28 (permalink)
Personal attacks aren't gonna get our DAWs working better, guys.

Just sayin'.

Peace.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 09:52:47 (permalink)
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Personal attacks aren't gonna get our DAWs working better, guys.

Just sayin'.

Peace.

Keep the peace Beep! This thread needs to be deleted in my opinion. I reported it.

 
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 10:03:23 (permalink)
  @musicroom... I've had a couple of our more helpful members mention to me they were dropping out because of the intensity levels lately. That really sucks. I've been hesitant to post lately myself (yeah yeah... no great loss. lol). I guess I just joined at a calm period and didn't see this type of thing on here. Oh well... that's the internet for ya I guess. 
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 10:12:54 (permalink)
I don't know that this forum is so bad. I think its a microcosm of the larger world. The good and bad are a part of life. We embrace the good and reject the bad when we can. Is this forum any different? 

We only see this sort of thing rarely. It is not the norm. Why anyone would leave because of threads of this sort tells me that they are perhaps too sensitive for human interaction. 

What world do they live in?

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 10:24:51 (permalink)
John

I don't know that this forum is so bad. I think its a microcosm of the larger world. The good and bad are a part of life. We embrace the good and reject the bad when we can. Is this forum any different? 

We only see this sort of thing rarely. It is not the norm. Why anyone would leave because of threads of this sort tells me that they are perhaps too sensitive for human interaction. 

What world do they live in?
John ... you are 100% right.

And I'll add that I've been getting in to these conversations a lot more intense than I should be the last couple of days and will curb my behavior.

I've spent way too much time here the last couple of days so I'm going to sign off now for a while and take a breather.

Thanks,

Bub

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 11:28:28 (permalink)
Getting a bit more sunshine in the upper hemisphere could help too. I noticed today that the sun is half way off the horizon for the first time in months. I know my dog appreciates the return of her little square of sunlight by the door.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 11:51:57 (permalink)
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He has something of a point, although perhaps expressed in a style that would be suited more to a teenage argument about Justin Bieber on YouTube. 

I mean I quite like Sonar, at least I'm sticking with it for the time being, because I've made an investment (both time and money) in the software and I certainly can't afford to be writing off hundreds of dollars and spending more hundreds on another DAW right now. I certainly like it a whole lot better than Pro Tools, which was far less stable for me and couldn't even run a moderate sized VSTi based project without throwing up errors all the time. 

However, if you asked me whether I'd drop $400 again on Sonar if I could go back in time, I'd probably say no. It's not that I don't think that Sonar doesn't have the potential to be the best DAW in the world, because it does. It's just that it doesn't feel like a $400 piece of software. There are too many sloppy design flaws, inconsistencies and plain oddities for that. Hell, I get pissed with the design flaws and bugs in Microsoft Outlook, and that only cost me $100. I can turn the other cheek when dealing with freeware, but these days when you shell out this much for software you just expect it to be so much more polished and stable. Sonar, to me, feels very much like it's still in beta. 

A small example of that was when I posted a while ago about automation for PC FX chain off/on not working unless the ProChannel in question was actually open in the console (or selected in the Inspector), and someone from Cakewalk (Noel?) said that they were aware of the issue, but that it was just too much of an issue to fix, and that fixing it would break other things. This is, I have to say, inexcusable. I have also suffered the same problem with the automation of the arpeggiator's off/on. It wouldn't work unless the track in question was actually selected. This is beyond a bug, it's the selling of an unfinished product that has been shipped part way through its development phase. Perhaps this didn't bother me too much because I'm still a bedroom hobbyist - but if I'd built a commercial studio around Sonar, I would be as mad as hell. 

Yes there are workarounds and hacks to some of these problems, but they are major productiveness killers and leave a bad taste in your mouth when you're using a piece of software you've invested a lot of money in. 

It just seems a bit odd that if you buy hardware that is faulty or doesn't work as advertised, you are entitled to a refund. If you buy software that gives you the same kind of problems, there is no recourse. I really don't know why. 

Anyway I'm not one to moan and complain about Sonar on a daily basis - for me it's performing quite well, a huge step up from Pro Tools, and I am enjoying making music with it. Do I think it's worth what they charge for it? Definitely not. I'd expect a far more polished product for this kind of money. 

To the OP, you're obviously going to come across as a bit of a dick with the tone you're taking. To be honest it's a tone I hear very often from arrogant 20-something EDM producers who are eager to prove themselves. You say you are making tunes that are rocking the clubs, well how about putting your money where your mouth is and posting links to some of these tunes so we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise we're just going to presume that you're full of it. 







You know, I have to agree with you. I've been waiting for the X series to catch up to the usefulness and fluidity of 8.5.3, and it's just not there. If this is top level software, then it should perform better. Taking the color schemes and buttons away was already a huge loss for me. While the third party efforts exist for colors and buttons, it's still not the same. The program is clunky and I'm finding far too many little things out of place. The design of the console and the baby buttons on everything kills my screen space, and I'm on two 23" monitors. 


Recently, after my surgery, I was suffering from severe photo sensitivity. If I adjusted my monitor brightness to where I could see, I couldn't make out the numerical controls in X2. I went back to 8.5.3, and could see clearly once I adjusted the colors. It also reminded me of how I used to work. There are different stages for writing/mixing/mastering/etc., and I would use different color schemes depending on where the project was.


I've bought every copy since Pro Audio 5, and I don't see myself upgrading ever again. The plot is lost. There are other programs with more polished functionality at a fraction of the cost. The only thing I'll really miss is CAL, but it's not that big of a deal, and it's dead tech in Sonar anyway.


Time to move on, unfortunately.

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:11:40 (permalink)
the idea of requiring people to post samples of their work would do nothing to clear up paranoia. If Cakewalk went through so much trouble to plant employees on here, it would only be logical to provide them with quality work samples.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:20:36 (permalink)
http://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12151
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sharke

Don't think we'll hear any more from him after I asked him for links to his work. I'd like to be proven wrong.
How would you know it was his if he did post anything? All that stuff sounds the same anyway.


I've been trying to abstain from these argument posts as much as possible, but that is classic!!!!!


Bub, I'm sending you the bill for my now coffee infested keyboard.


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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:21:47 (permalink)
The OP came looking to start a fight and he got it. well done. Sonar is far from perfect and cust service occasionally misses the mark...just like every other large company. Avid products work great...when they work, but when they go buggy they really go buggy. Their customer service have been known to be masters of the "eff you, it's your fault it's crashing" approach to service. I remember being told, after a hours of runaround that I should have checked their forums before updating quicktime because at that time there was an issue with the latest version playing well with their software. Every company has good and bad experiences. This guy definitely has the marks of a teenage troll and it's sad that people old enough to know better have been sucked into both sides of a pointless fight.
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:26:43 (permalink)
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Bub


Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?
Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great. 

Unless I missed something in rewire docs, doesn't rewire only account for sending midi to the rewired guest and receiving audio back?  It would be nice to have a DAW-ignorant protocol that was able to send audio to be processed and receive the processed audio back.  AFAIK, Wormhole is one of the only plugs offering this capability but it is only available in VST format.


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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:55:36 (permalink)
plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 14:58:07 (permalink)
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hugs to all,

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Why! You!

Oh! oh! oh!

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:01:49 (permalink)

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:04:32 (permalink)
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http://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12151
Bub
sharke

Don't think we'll hear any more from him after I asked him for links to his work. I'd like to be proven wrong.
How would you know it was his if he did post anything? All that stuff sounds the same anyway.


I've been trying to abstain from these argument posts as much as possible, but that is classic!!!!!

Bub, I'm sending you the bill for my now coffee infested keyboard.

Best,
guitardood



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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:07:05 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:09:04 (permalink)
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:09:04 (permalink)
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Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?
Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great. 
Unless I missed something in rewire docs, doesn't rewire only account for sending midi to the rewired guest and receiving audio back?  It would be nice to have a DAW-ignorant protocol that was able to send audio to be processed and receive the processed audio back.  AFAIK, Wormhole is one of the only plugs offering this capability but it is only available in VST format.

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I'm not sure how it all works. I've never been able to figure out that ReWire stuff.

One interesting thing I discovered this morning, while I was taking a break from arguing (LOL), is ... while you have Sonar running a 32bit VST ... start Windows Task Manager and right-click on 'Bitbridge.exe *32'. You'll have all the options to set it to run in Admin Mode, and Compatibility mode as well. So if it does crash, maybe setting it to XP Compatibility mode would help. I set it to run in Admin Mode, but I only have 2 or 3 VST's that run in Bitbridge.

Hope this helps somebody, but I doubt it, being buried in this mass grave. LOL!

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:15:23 (permalink)
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Unless I missed something in rewire docs, doesn't rewire only account for sending midi to the rewired guest and receiving audio back? 

This is exactly what you'd want for that purpose. For instance, I much preferred the GUI, workflow and mixing capabilities of Pro Tools than Reaper. But Pro Tools was choking on my VSTi's, for reasons that included it only being 32-bit. So I ReWired Reaper to Pro Tools. All of my MIDI tracking and mixing was done in Pro Tools. Reaper hosted the VSTi's. So Pro Tools sent the MIDI to Reaper, which fed it into the VSTi's, and the resulting audio was sent back to Pro Tools for mixing. Worked like a charm. 


The only thing is that I think you have to match the bits, i.e. both versions have to be either 64-bit or 32-bit. It would be nice if that wasn't the case but I think it is. However, one of the limitations of 32-bit is that programs can only address a certain amount of memory. But if you have two 32-bit programs working to the same end, you have access to twice as much memory.

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 15:38:55 (permalink)
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The only thing is that I think you have to match the bits, i.e. both versions have to be either 64-bit or 32-bit. It would be nice if that wasn't the case but I think it is. However, one of the limitations of 32-bit is that programs can only address a certain amount of memory. But if you have two 32-bit programs working to the same end, you have access to twice as much memory.

You are correct - unless you use something like this -  Rewire VST 
It's cheap. I used to wrap Project 5 (32 bit Rewire Slave) in Bitbridge/JBridge in earlier versions of SONAR. Worked well at the time. Been a while since I have tried something like this. In essence if you have a 32 bit rewire app you have to have, it'll wrap it as a (32 bit) VSTi.

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 16:13:08 (permalink)

this thread demonstrates, if needed, that "chacun voit midi à sa porte"

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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 16:40:36 (permalink)
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Truth is that you simply wouldn't be a dope for using Reaper or Studio One or Mixcraft, those DAW's don't fu_k with your mix every day and get in the way of putting out the goods. But using Sonar, well hey, enjoy the incessant bugs and anomalies that just keep popping up day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, upgrade after upgrade, decade after decade. HULLOOOOO? Biff this sh_t until cakewalk stops taking you for a ride people, how long are you gonna let them keep yanking your chain. Clearly, going by Sonar's track-record for the last decade Cakewalk needs a new head-programmer and a proper team of coders who know what the hell they are doing. No DAW on the planet has the disgusting track-record that Sonar has, and continues to have. If i owned Cakewalk I would have sent the head-programmer out the door years ago, he's a total dud, and has amply proven that he's an amateur.  

I currently have a song running 19 individual softsynths each on their own track, plus 18 audio tracks, plus tonnes of realtime midi, and over 120 effects ALL RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY, and still my CPU IS ONLY AT 21%. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A PROFESSIONAL DAW. Oh hang-on, i forgot, we are fu_kwits for not doing a 5 year diploma in Windows configuration and hardware research LOL, you guys and your 2 cent come-backs are just a sad lot. The facts show that Sonar is a lemon, plain and simple, it has been from the start, and just keeps getting worse, but Mixcraft has shown itself to be a reliable competent full-fledged Pro DAW, which only costs $149 i might add; I don't need to use a multi-fader console, i make dance music with high-end analog-emulation software plugins and a midi controller, and all's good here.

And obviously as you can see by the KeyBoard magazine review, i ain't talking sh_t. 

I go over to groove 3 for a few weeks and come back to this? WOW....I found this whole thread entertaining so I decided to go back to grove 3 and look for a tutorial on Mixcraft ....looking ......looking ....I mean version 7 they must need tutorials that explains how to use a profesional DAW like Mixcraft right? looking ......... looking .........hmmmmm. 


there is a bunch of pro tool videos. there are some reaper ones there are some cubase. oh look a few studio one videos....wow look at all the Sonar videos. detailed videos of instruction. hmm still looking for that professional DAW Mixcraft video. oh look, there is a fruity loops video...nope don't see it.


Well the next step is to go to the Mixcraft website look what it says.


"Recording yourself for the first time may seem daunting - but it doesn't have to be. If you want to record vocals, guitar, or other musical instrument with your computer or MIDI then you'll need an audio interface. An audio interface is the hub between your audio source & Mixcraft." I just thought that was very...ummm instructional.


http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/studio-gear.htm


Well then the next step is to look at the features of Mixcraft. oh look a feature comparison chart. Voxengo Amp Simulator, Voxengo Spectrum Analyzer, Shred Amp Simulator, Broadcast Mulitband Compressor, all the classic Kjaerhus effects. There are a lot of older plug-ins that are included that just happens to be freeware.  anyone can download those vst plugs for free. That is one reason Mixcraft is so cheap. but look if I pay more money i can get even more freeware. Oh joys of excitement fill my bowels!


http://www.acoustica.com/.xcraft/compare.htm 


I'm sorry Sonar has not worked for you. Did you buy the full version or did you buy essentails. Just wondering. What version did you use? I don't have the problems you seem to think everyone is having. I guess i must be in that 25 percent catagory. I am not saying people don't have problems and Sonar is not perfect. I do think you are talking sh_t as you say. Why else would you be here? If there was no entertainment value for you would be gone. While I don't doubt you have issues I don't think all of them are with Sonar! 


Football fans don't take this the wrong way but mixcraft Fanbois are worse then Some of the Dallas cowboy fans I run into!

http://www.marcuscurtismusic.com/  

Windows 10 ultimate, Sonar Platinum, AMD Phenom 2 x6 1075T processor 3.00 GHz, (6 cores) 8 gigs of Ram, 

Audio interfaces=VS-100, Pod X3 live pro, Boss GT-100, Boss GP10
Midi Controllers=Edirol  PCR 800, roland GR-55.    

Ozone 7, Podfarm, Th2 Full Version, Melda, True Pianos Full Version, and a whole bunch of free VST plugins which can be found through my site.
 
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Re:Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least! 2013/02/05 16:57:11 (permalink)
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Truth is that you simply wouldn't be a dope for using Reaper or Studio One or Mixcraft, those DAW's don't fu_k with your mix every day and get in the way of putting out the goods. But using Sonar, well hey, enjoy the incessant bugs and anomalies that just keep popping up day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, upgrade after upgrade, decade after decade. HULLOOOOO? Biff this sh_t until cakewalk stops taking you for a ride people, how long are you gonna let them keep yanking your chain. Clearly, going by Sonar's track-record for the last decade Cakewalk needs a new head-programmer and a proper team of coders who know what the hell they are doing. No DAW on the planet has the disgusting track-record that Sonar has, and continues to have. If i owned Cakewalk I would have sent the head-programmer out the door years ago, he's a total dud, and has amply proven that he's an amateur.  

I currently have a song running 19 individual softsynths each on their own track, plus 18 audio tracks, plus tonnes of realtime midi, and over 120 effects ALL RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY, and still my CPU IS ONLY AT 21%. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A PROFESSIONAL DAW. Oh hang-on, i forgot, we are fu_kwits for not doing a 5 year diploma in Windows configuration and hardware research LOL, you guys and your 2 cent come-backs are just a sad lot. The facts show that Sonar is a lemon, plain and simple, it has been from the start, and just keeps getting worse, but Mixcraft has shown itself to be a reliable competent full-fledged Pro DAW, which only costs $149 i might add; I don't need to use a multi-fader console, i make dance music with high-end analog-emulation software plugins and a midi controller, and all's good here.

And obviously as you can see by the KeyBoard magazine review, i ain't talking sh_t. 

I go over to groove 3 for a few weeks and come back to this? WOW....I found this whole thread entertaining so I decided to go back to grove 3 and look for a tutorial on Mixcraft ....looking ......looking ....I mean version 7 they must need tutorials that explains how to use a profesional DAW like Mixcraft right? looking ......... looking .........hmmmmm. 


there is a bunch of pro tool videos. there are some reaper ones there are some cubase. oh look a few studio one videos....wow look at all the Sonar videos. detailed videos of instruction. hmm still looking for that professional DAW Mixcraft video. oh look, there is a fruity loops video...nope don't see it.


Well the next step is to go to the Mixcraft website look what it says.


"Recording yourself for the first time may seem daunting - but it doesn't have to be. If you want to record vocals, guitar, or other musical instrument with your computer or MIDI then you'll need an audio interface. An audio interface is the hub between your audio source & Mixcraft." I just thought that was very...ummm instructional.


http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/studio-gear.htm


Well then the next step is to look at the features of Mixcraft. oh look a feature comparison chart. Voxengo Amp Simulator, Voxengo Spectrum Analyzer, Shred Amp Simulator, Broadcast Mulitband Compressor, all the classic Kjaerhus effects. There are a lot of older plug-ins that are included that just happens to be freeware.  anyone can download those vst plugs for free. That is one reason Mixcraft is so cheap. but look if I pay more money i can get even more freeware. Oh joys of excitement fill my bowels!


http://www.acoustica.com/.xcraft/compare.htm 


I'm sorry Sonar has not worked for you. Did you buy the full version or did you buy essentails. Just wondering. What version did you use? I don't have the problems you seem to think everyone is having. I guess i must be in that 25 percent catagory. I am not saying people don't have problems and Sonar is not perfect. I do think you are talking sh_t as you say. Why else would you be here? If there was no entertainment value for you would be gone. While I don't doubt you have issues I don't think all of them are with Sonar! 


Football fans don't take this the wrong way but mixcraft Fanbois are worse then Some of the Dallas cowboy fans I run into!


Marcus you need to stay around here and keep things in perspective for us all. That post was brilliant! 

  I even agree with you about the Dallas Cowboys point. They sure aren't my team. I'm a Detroit Lions fan, need I say more?  

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