Sonar X2 is highly questionable to say the least!

Currently I am using Mixcraft Pro Studio 6 as my music DAW, and i have to say that it is a dream as-far-as all the fundamentals for making music...logical, stable, intuitive and straightforward with all necessary features included to create any type of music anyone could wish to make, whether complex or simple. People who come to Mixcraft from ALL OTHER DAW's ALWAYS PRAISE Mixcraft, and always mention how the other DAW they came from is just convoluted nonsense in terms of the user interface. 

My point being that between the years of 'innumerable' posts in this Cakewalk forum about the myriad of issues with Sonar X2, and the fact that one has to get a degree in computer sciences to maybe get Sonar working stable, then really at this point in time there is no way that i will commit to this DAW by putting $499 on the table, NO WAY! 

It seems to me that 25% of users of Sonar X2 have no issues, but the rest of the users are reporting nothing but issues; i thought Sonar X2a was mean't to fix the problems, but in actuality it has created more, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PATCH Cakewalk releases. The same thing happened with Sonar X1, each update-patch simply causes more problems, while 25% of smug users would happily pronounce "No problems here!" Well, i've got news for those users, every other man and his dog has got problems with Sonar, and the voice of the majority carries more weight than the voice of the minority. So the naysayers need not respond. 

Sonar currently has issues, always has had issues, and Cakewalk just keeps pumping it out with more issues. I would like to ask about just how qualified Cakewalks programmers and coders really are, because seriously as far back as i can remember Sonar has had NOTHING BUT ISSUES, unless someone strikes it lucky with a freak one-off computer configuration, or even eats and breathes and sh_ts and sleeps Sonar, which is no kudos at all for this wretched DAW. Let me put it this way, i don't care if all DAW's have issues, since i know that none of them have had the amount of issues that Sonar does on such a consistent basis, simple as that.

Why on earth anyone should need to be a hardware and software expert to simply get a DAW running reliably is beyond me. The Mixcraft 6 DAW works out-of-the-box with no special Windows-configuration needed, and no special hardware needed, so try and gainsay that. 
It's unbelievable how many users of Sonar get snarled at simply because Sonar is at fault. Even if the upcoming Sonar X2b patch does resolve some of the issues, that still leaves a complex DAW that is counter-productive to getting things done simply, quickly and with no nonsense. 

Screw the basics says Sonar. Well then i have to ask, what is the point of paying so much money for irrelevant complexity crammed with bugs, and which needs some elusive mix of heaven-sent hardware to behave?  


Anyone halfwit can deduce that Presonus Studio One 2.5 is a safe bet compared to this bucket of worms. It seems that Studio One is dream come true compared to this crap, and thousands of users of Studio One will agree with me without reservation, including myriads of former Sonar users. In Studio One there is nowhere near as many bugs and stability issues as Sonar; screw that, if an expensive DAW is gonna get my money it's gonna be Studio One III when it's released. Then all i need to do is suggest to the developers that they design some sort of console-strip to rival the one in Sonar and then Studio One users will be in heaven; other than that Sonar can go jump in the lake as far as i'm concerned, nothing but issues; does anyone actually get around to making music with this dog of a thing??? Gainsayers forget it, Cakewalk does not know how to design a bug-free stable DAW and they never have, and the last ten years is absolute proof of that; why you people continue to suffer this puffed-up unstable complex junk is beyond me. 

Looks like Cakewalk and Roland need a wake-up call. From now on, everywhere i go on Facebook and Twitter and all other music-forums, i will be pouring bitter scorn on Sonar, seeing as how it has given the MAJORITY OF USERS SO MANY ISSUES FOR SO MANY YEARS, NOT TO MENTION PERSISTENT BUGS OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER, so now it's my turn to give Cakewalk and SONAR nothing but issues, until they hire some decent programmers and allow Sonar to work out-of-the-box without issue, ahhmmm, like Mixcraft... 

Beam me up Scotty, i'm outta here, i can see the werewolves coming, snarling and dripping frothy saliva from there mouths with all those Sonar fanboys in a mob with batons and flames on sticks...LOL  Sometimes the truth is hard to take, BUT THE TRUTH MUST BE SAID. Too many people in here making poor excuses that HOLD NO WEIGHT. No rebuttals will be accepted, because everyone knows Sonar has issues, and always has from the day of its inception.

Here's a post just recently from over at the Mixcraft forums from an unhappy sonar user:

Hi, new here and just downloaded Mixcraft 6 yesterday and can barely tear myself away from my workstation! This is a great product-easy to use, lightweight and robust. Been a Sonar user for 10 years and spent a lot of money on various upgrades-software and hardware. Seems everytime one piece of equipment works correctly something else goes wrong. Latest X2 version of Sonar crashed my very new PC and I have not been able to get it to boot up since. Now Sonar is trying to compete with ProTools and be a pro studio solution, but it has become so complex, with so many functions crammed in, that it has become unwieldy in my opinion.

  


 
So now, i must concur with that post, i must ask, EVER HEARD OF SIMPLICITY CAKEWALK?? Last i checked all i needed to make dance-music was effects, VST synths, midi input, basic audio recording, and a logical user interface and navigation with as few menus as possible. WHATS ALL THAT OTHER SH_T INSIDE SONAR, CAKEWALK?? UNBELIEVABLE MAN!! YOU JUST WON"T LISTEN WILL YOU, OH I FORGOT, CAKEWALK IS TOO GOOD FOR SIMPLICITY, they wanna be a wanna-be.


Get me the hell out of here Scotty.

I'm sure he's glad now all of that has been vented properly.

Bristol_Jonesey

I'm sure he's glad now all of that has been vented properly.

Latest X2 version of Sonar crashed my very new PC and I have not been able to get it to boot up since.

This is a tip-off that the problem actually has nothing to do with Sonar.  
Sonar *can not* affect whether your machine boots or not.
The underlying issue there is either hardware or driver.

BTW, If you play guitar, the guitar has to be properly set-up/maintained to play well
Same with tape-machines of yester-year
Same with pianos
Same with the car you drive
PC DAWs are machines... and also need to be well-maintained

Bristol_Jonesey

You certainly can't know the % of totally satisfied users who never post on here

Or unsatisfied ones either.

Let's be honest, most people aren't as vocal as I am in trying to get things fixed. They just say, "Screw this, I'll just download Reaper, at least I can still use some of the VST's I paid for in it." and move on.

It's hard for me to really put a realistic number on it because myself, and one other person are the only people outside of this forum that I know that use Sonar. He's the one who turned me on to it back in the mid 90's. Haven't seen him in years, so I don't know what he's using now. It would be interesting to know because he was an avid Cakewalk fan.

mixcraft,is like mindcraft,its a video game..theres nothing to mixcraft,its a joke,of course it runs on anything and everthing.its like 200 mb.
sonar is almost 6 GIGS !!!
and thats not including dimention pro,rapture or beatscape.

if you had said your were leaving for pro tools or cubase,you may have grabbed my attention.

once you said mixcraft. i laughed,stopped reading and posted this hoping to help you out a little by saving you some time.
"if you never push the limits,your never going to achieve greatness.
with that comes a few bur's here and there.

like jim said,no boot has nothing to do with sonar,thats either a HD,Ram or possibly a driver issue.

I thought i got it through to you nitwits, MIXCRAFT 6 can make music as complex or as simple as required, WITHOUT any special hardware or Windows-configuration needed. So drop the "All things need maintainance argument" seeing as MIXCRAFT needs NO MAINTAINANCE, but it can do everything Sonar can do, so what do you say to that savage. 

Some of us know better and have experienced better. Your pathetic misnomers show how stupid you really are. Get a reality check and wake-up fanboys, Sonar is a dog and you know it. Yes it has some good sounds and console strip etc, but what is the use of that when other DAW's offer the same WITHOUT ISSUE. If you've become accustomed to making music alongside persistent issues in Sonar, then good luck to you, but i know, and many others know, that making music it is not and never was mean't to be that way. Sonar is a bloated overweight complex drag, it badly needs some exercise to shed weight and get rid of that heart-disease and diabetes and cancer; i wanna make music WITHOUT ISSUE, exactly what Mixcraft allows me to do, so again i say, save it guys, your rebuttals are futile because the facts prove you wrong, NO MATTER HOW MANY EXCUSES YOU KEEP MAKING FOR Sonar. Studio One proves you wrong, Mixcraft 6 proves you wrong, hell, even fruity-loops proves you wrong, and those three DAW's are indeed heavy-weights, since i know they can make any music your deceived brain can dream up, and all WITHOUT ISSUE.

Next Please!

godparticle

I thought i got it through to you nitwits ...

LOFL!

Dude, my wife is going to kill me. I just spit coffee all over the dining room table cloth.

godparticle


I thought i got it through to you nitwits, MIXCRAFT 6 can make music as complex or as simple as required, WITHOUT any special hardware or Windows-configuration needed. So drop the "All things need maintainance argument" seeing as MIXCRAFT needs NO MAINTAINANCE, but it can do everything Sonar can do, so what do you say to that savage. 

Some of us know better and have experienced better. Your pathetic misnomers show how stupid you really are. Get a reality check and wake-up fanboys, Sonar is a dog and you know it. Yes it has some good sounds and console strip etc, but what is the use of that when other DAW's offer the same WITHOUT ISSUE. If you've become accustomed to making music alongside persistent issues in Sonar, then good luck to you, but i know, and many others know, that making music it is not and never was mean't to be that way. Sonar is a bloated overweight complex drag, it badly needs some exercise to shed weight and get rid of that heart-disease and diabetes and cancer; i wanna make music WITHOUT ISSUE, exactly what Mixcraft allows me to do, so again i say, save it guys, your rebuttals are futile because the facts prove you wrong, NO MATTER HOW MANY EXCUSES YOU KEEP MAKING FOR Sonar. Studio One proves you wrong, Mixcraft 6 proves you wrong, hell, even fruity-loops proves you wrong, and those three DAW's are indeed heavy-weights, since i know they can make any music your deceived brain can dream up, and all WITHOUT ISSUE.

Next Please!

Just had to capture that. 
 

Bub

spacey

Just had to capture that.

Thanks!

:)

BTW ... love the new build! I was looking at the pics last night.

Thanks Bub!
 
It's to bad godparticle was/is focused more on comedy...he didn't mention some
of the very cool features that it has....CD/DVD label maker and video editing.
 
I think it may be an excellent program for a musician that is just starting out or even a person
that isn't a musicain and just wants to have fun with loops.
 
But the thread....seriously godparticle...you are a very funny person. I've enjoyed it.

Troll alert; let's not make this a three page thread. (Newb writes a bomber of a thread bashing the product and pimping a competitor?) DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. Let this thread sink. Thank you.

godparticle


Currently I am using Mixcraft Pro Studio 6 ....(Rant, rant, rant)........  

(Rant, Rant, Rant)....

Beam me up Scotty, i'm outta here, i can see the werewolves coming, 

(Rant, Rant, Rant).... 

EVER HEARD OF SIMPLICITY CAKEWALK?? Last i checked all i needed to make dance-music was effects, VST synths, midi input, basic audio recording, and a logical user interface and navigation with as few menus as possible. WHATS ALL THAT OTHER SH_T INSIDE SONAR, CAKEWALK?? UNBELIEVABLE MAN!! YOU JUST WON"T LISTEN WILL YOU, OH I FORGOT, CAKEWALK IS TOO GOOD FOR SIMPLICITY, they wanna be a wanna-be.

(Rant, Rant, Rant)......

Thanks - 
Lots of examples of simplicity there.  Sincerely,
A Smug user of SONAR X2 - 

Um, this is the person who claimed he was getting insanely great results with his laptop's built-in audio in Mixcraft and was warned not to expect that with a full-fledged DAW. Welcome to reality.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2751686

Hi particle,
You are nearly 3 months a member of this forum.
Nobody knows why but you think you can use this forum
for incompetent ,superficial comments.
This is not OK even after 30  years!

To record, arrange,produce, mix and master music  is 
an art which needs a  high  knowledge about hardware 
(computer and music-equipment) years of practice and patience.

If one is not able to learn (to learn means  to ask questions aso) 
it´s still not possible, to create good sounding music,
even with a DAW like sonar and mixcraft,which make the recording process
nearly without issues soooo much easier.

Yep, you can run Sonar on an old laptop using the crappy built-in audio. I have the exact same thing that I mess around with once in a while. But I definitely don't expect it to run as well as it does even on my crappy old desktop that has a decent audio interface (which runs insanely great btw). The point is, he was warned and didn't think it was the truth.