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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
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Have you put in official features request.
He's been clear that he could make no promises about any of it but agreed to review it.
Some very good suggestions there. Not all of them I would need. But some for sure!! 17, 18, 19 would be great!!
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2013/11/08 13:58:16
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/07/23 17:40:31
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 01:04:07
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are you guys overlooking something more fundamental? the ability to change FONT SIZE in all views. or maybe this is something that was requested long ago and deemed impossible 
That would probably only be possible with a console that is displayed using vector graphics (that would be a lot of work).
You CAN change font size but it has to be done through Windows settings which will change ALL Windows fonts. I found making them bigger causes them to disappear when shrinking a Sonar text screen to a certain size, so there's tradeoffs for doing it that way.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 11:42:08
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New:
FX BUS channel. When I create this FX BUS I can just choose the FX Plugins
This is new FX BUS I can hide in Console View like a simple Bus.
I don't understand this? Any buss can be anything. Just name it FX Buss if you want. I like to name mine as aux 1 and 2 and so on if that is how I am using them. Sometimes I will name an aux buss as reverb. If you are asking for a buss type that is different from what we have now how would that be better?
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 12:19:22
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bruckner2
are you guys overlooking something more fundamental? the ability to change FONT SIZE in all views. or maybe this is something that was requested long ago and deemed impossible
That would probably only be possible with a console that is displayed using vector graphics (that would be a lot of work).
You CAN change font size but it has to be done through Windows settings which will change ALL Windows fonts.
I found making them bigger causes them to disappear when shrinking a Sonar text screen to a certain size, so there's tradeoffs for doing it that way.
Exactly with vector no tradeoffs. And making windows fonts bigger can screw up the display of some plugins.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 15:40:43
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☄ Helpfulby overdub 2014/08/18 23:37:22
I would DEARLY (emphasis, not anger on the caps to the left), love to be able to enter a meter base value of something other than a quarter note, such as at a minimum an eighth-note - and hopefully also a sixteenth note (though the sixteenth note would be far less often used than an eighth-note).
I have submitted this as a Feature Request, and posted asking for it, for multiple years now.
This would GREATLY assist me with creating midi clips for odd meters. like 5/8, 7/8, 9/8, 11/8, and the occasional 19/16.
While odd-meters are not used by the vast majority of folks, those of us that DO use them do so ALL the time, and it is quite the pain in the brain to have to do with the current limitations, which require doubling the song tempo and entering 5/8 measures as if they were 2 measures of 5/4 played at double-time.
When I have music scores printed up for session players or for string sections and such, it makes Sonar look amateurish when they see the goofy way those measures look.
Is it THAT crazy hard to implement the above?
Please also note that if it came down to correcting an existing bunch of bugs versus implementing the above, I would vote for the bug fixes, but it has been years now, and I would really appreciate this getting at least looked at for potential inclusion in the next release.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 16:37:50
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Clip gain graphics like almost every other DAW. by this I mean the waveform changes in real time to show the effect of the gain level change you make. Sonar does this for fade ins/outs now and I hope they do it for clip gain next version.
The scrub tool is also still wiggy for me for every version of sonar I have used, on multiple computers with multiple audio cards. That might be a low priority though.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 17:30:05
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I'm going to enhancements to the draw features in automation.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 20:48:55
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MIX VERSIONS:
I'm wishing that someday a feature called MIX VERSIONS will be implemented. My vision about MIX VERSIONS is having an unlimited number of mixes/settings in a single project/song/cwp file. Meaning you can recall a certain mix within a project with a push of a button. You store a particular mix version in a button, With this implemented, you can cycle thru a certain mix with a push of button. Maybe you have a mix with lower bass or a whatever you desire. If possible, automation(vol, pan, mute, etc.....) and plugin setting can also be stored in a mix version with a corresponding description text. IT WILL BE A GREAT FEATURE. :-) At least for me.
I wonder if this feature is already implemented in ProTools.
This is similar to the SCREENSHOT feature.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/17 21:42:37
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MIX VERSIONS:
I'm wishing that someday a feature called MIX VERSIONS will be implemented. My vision about MIX VERSIONS is having an unlimited number of mixes/settings in a single project/song/cwp file. Meaning you can recall a certain mix within a project with a push of a button. You store a particular mix version in a button, With this implemented, you can cycle thru a certain mix with a push of button. Maybe you have a mix with lower bass or a whatever you desire. If possible, automation(vol, pan, mute, etc.....) and plugin setting can also be stored in a mix version with a corresponding description text. IT WILL BE A GREAT FEATURE. :-) At least for me.
I wonder if this feature is already implemented in ProTools.
This is similar to the SCREENSHOT feature.
Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/18 00:50:05
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Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
Nope. I don't want to open another project with different mix. This is within a single project where you can call up a particular mix versions instantly without opening another project. You know, sometimes, opening another project takes time specially if the project has a bunch of VIs with samples in it. You cannot afford a client to wait while the project is loading. Imagine having 92 mix versions(correct me if i'm wrong :-)) of Billie Jean within a single project and calling each version in an instant without the hassle of loading another project. Bruce Sweden would be very happy. :-) Hope you get the idea. After all, it's just an idea. :-)
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/19 08:21:45
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I'd really like to see an update to the piano roll. Like better tools for working with controller data (have seen a few youtube clips of how Cubase deals with this and it looks great) ..and integration of some kind of key-switches-tools (maybe for example lock the positions of these keys in PRV so you always have access to them and giving them labels(?)) to speed up workflow with these kinds of instruments. I've written some about this before as well. http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2882167 californiamusic
Clip gain via Pro Tools Style (Visual editing) would be NICE ; )
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...Or abandon that and start an open feature request forum like the one in PreSonus forums.
Agreed. Feature requests should be public, not private, and open to discussion.
YES!
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/19 09:22:11
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CakeAlexS
Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
Nope. I don't want to open another project with different mix. This is within a single project where you can call up a particular mix versions instantly without opening another project. You know, sometimes, opening another project takes time specially if the project has a bunch of VIs with samples in it. You cannot afford a client to wait while the project is loading.
Imagine having 92 mix versions(correct me if i'm wrong :-)) of Billie Jean within a single project and calling each version in an instant without the hassle of loading another project. Bruce Sweden would be very happy. :-)
Hope you get the idea. After all, it's just an idea. :-)
Yup you want to load up projects faster with less clicks :) Cheers...
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 10:09:37
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Wow, many many wishes.
I just want for the moment improvements for notation. As many people here wrote months and years ago, this part of sonar is still not on a level it should be, especially when comparing to the other parts of sonar. Comparing to other daw's like cubase, samplitude (those I know), logic and so on, it is amateurish - for years now!!!
For example it is not possible to print just a part of music, you have to print the whole music. Or does anybody know how to do this?
I don't want Sonar to have big Notation features like Cubase, but now it is time for little improvements.
Kind regards,
Timo
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 11:11:21
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CakeAlexS
Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
Nope. I don't want to open another project with different mix. This is within a single project where you can call up a particular mix versions instantly without opening another project. You know, sometimes, opening another project takes time specially if the project has a bunch of VIs with samples in it. You cannot afford a client to wait while the project is loading.
Imagine having 92 mix versions(correct me if i'm wrong :-)) of Billie Jean within a single project and calling each version in an instant without the hassle of loading another project. Bruce Sweden would be very happy. :-)
Hope you get the idea. After all, it's just an idea. :-)
I would love this feature.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 12:07:35
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I'm cross posting this from the X5 wishlist because I'd much rather see these in X4. The sooner some of these get changed, the better.
Some off the top of my head:
1) Better (and on the fly/drag) time stretching algorithm.
2) BPM detection
3) Better video support
4) Free copy of Sonar x4 Power! (Scott should get the information he needs while in development so the book can launch with Sonar)
Edit: Actually, I'm going to take this one step further and ask that Cakewalk fund Scott to make a proper training video series with work files. One thing Sonar is really missing is a comprehensive training course that teaches you how to use Sonar efficiently. I look at sites like Lynda and MacProVideo that have very deep, complete training videos for DAWs like Logic and Protools (Heck the Essential PT11 course is over 9 hours long just by itself) where as Sonar only has very brief introduction videos available. Considering the learning curve Sonar has and the amount of control it gives the user, it needs to have proper educational material as well and considering the obvious gift Scott has for teaching (at least through print), I can't think of anyone better to do it if he'd be willing. Hell, I've been using Sonar for years and I'm still learning and figuring things out every day with it that I didn't know and quite frankly, should have known. If this were put up on the store for a reasonable price (I wouldn't expect it to be included with X4), I would snatch it up in an instant. Also, if it were sectioned in modules much like a lot of these courses are on other sites, it would make updating a lot easier because not all the information would change with every release.
Also, if you're going to add more third party softsynths, I would request new selections rather than the same ones that came in previous versions. iZotope, FabFilter, Omnisphere or ProjectSAM stuff would all be awesome (and wishful) plugins to add into Sonar Producer.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 12:21:28
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TerraSin
Edit: Actually, I'm going to take this one step further and ask that Cakewalk ..... to make a proper training video series with work files. .......
TerraSin Good idea and I second the idea!
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 14:25:00
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Gents,
I like to have the possibility to insert Fx aso after freezing a track
aso.So that it´s possible to edit frozen tracks.
Thanks
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 14:27:38
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Pragi
Gents,
I like to have the possibility to insert Fx aso after freezing a track
aso.So that it´s possible to edit frozen tracks.
Thanks
This is currently possible. After freezing, right-click the FX bin and uncheck "Bypass Bin"
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 15:48:50
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miditus
CakeAlexS
Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
Nope. I don't want to open another project with different mix. This is within a single project where you can call up a particular mix versions instantly without opening another project. You know, sometimes, opening another project takes time specially if the project has a bunch of VIs with samples in it. You cannot afford a client to wait while the project is loading.
Imagine having 92 mix versions(correct me if i'm wrong :-)) of Billie Jean within a single project and calling each version in an instant without the hassle of loading another project. Bruce Sweden would be very happy. :-)
Hope you get the idea. After all, it's just an idea. :-)
I don't see how this could work in practice. A "saved mix" would only remain useful (or even meaningful) within a project if you don't make any alterations to the routing or add/delete any plugins.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 17:19:44
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scook
Pragi
Gents,
I like to have the possibility to insert Fx aso after freezing a track
aso.So that it´s possible to edit frozen tracks.
Thanks
This is currently possible. After freezing, right-click the FX bin and uncheck "Bypass Bin"
Really, thanks a lot!
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 17:59:36
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Some great suggestiona. Some "don't hold your breath waiting for that one" ideas. Some "what Karl Marx books have you been reading?" suggestions. Not trying to be insulting but I can't imagine Cakewalk fumdimg Scott money to write a book he is selling for profit. Cakewalk already provides tons of free video tutorials and often discounts the paid ones. The blog often has free detailed content on a wide range of features. I wpild go as far to say that most Sonar features can be learned via the manual, free videos and forum. Yes, Scott's books and other commerical resources may expidite that process but are not essential. Then again, this is a wish list
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 22:41:37
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Some great suggestiona. Some "don't hold your breath waiting for that one" ideas. Some "what Karl Marx books have you been reading?" suggestions. Not trying to be insulting but I can't imagine Cakewalk fumdimg Scott money to write a book he is selling for profit. Cakewalk already provides tons of free video tutorials and often discounts the paid ones. The blog often has free detailed content on a wide range of features. I wpild go as far to say that most Sonar features can be learned via the manual, free videos and forum. Yes, Scott's books and other commerical resources may expidite that process but are not essential. Then again, this is a wish list
I think you misunderstood my post. For his book, I recommended giving him early access to see what's going on so the book could be released at the same time as Sonar and we wouldn't have to wait 6 months for it to come out whereas the new version of Sonar is likely 6 months away after the book is finally released. The funding was for a training course much like the way other trainers on such sites like the ones I mentioned are likely paid. Basically it would be Cake covering the cost of production/time spent on the material and they would then both profit because Cake could sell it on their own marketplace. The existing resources are nice but they are not enough. The CakeTV thing is an excellent resource but it lacks a lot of depth. The video series they have for sale... well I'll be nice and not say how I really feel about them. I know the X2 one made my head spin from all the zooming. Beyond that, they were very very basic compared to the training that should be made available. To say they aren't needed because of the resources available and because we have a manual would be very incorrect. People don't all learn the same and many like myself have trouble learning from a book because that is simply how our brains are wired where DVD and video based online classes have been an asset to our education because it allows us to watch and interact in an hands on way. This is one of the many reasons that education sites like Lynda are doing so well. Hell, if Cake could talk someone at Lynda to do courses as in depth for Sonar as they do for ProTools or Logic, then by all means, they absolutely should.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 23:05:16
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TerraSin
I think you misunderstood my post. For his book, I recommended giving him early access to see what's going on so the book could be released at the same time as Sonar and we wouldn't have to wait 6 months for it to come out whereas the new version of Sonar is likely 6 months away after the book is finally released.
I do not believe it is a matter of granting early access to the software. In the case of X3, the book contains updates through X3e. It is unlikely X3e was in beta until months after the release of X3.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/23 23:14:52
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The book came out when X3 got mature (X3E). Perfect timing. I bought Sonar X3 when X3D came out, I prefer to wait there seems to be no advantage being an early adoptor other than perhaps a little more excitement.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/24 00:32:35
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Terrasin.
I'm all for lynda etc making more resources available. I did not mean to imply EVERYONE just needed free videos, blog, manual, etc. I just meant it is not reasonable to expect cakewalk to give that away. Groove3 makes good videos as well as own Karl. These cost but both are reasonable. Cakewalk has given out 30 day groove3 passes in the past and discounted training videos to almost nothing.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/24 03:19:31
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jmasno5
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CakeAlexS
Isn't that called a project? Admittedy it takes two or three clicks not one to open up another project.
Nope. I don't want to open another project with different mix. This is within a single project where you can call up a particular mix versions instantly without opening another project. You know, sometimes, opening another project takes time specially if the project has a bunch of VIs with samples in it. You cannot afford a client to wait while the project is loading.
Imagine having 92 mix versions(correct me if i'm wrong :-)) of Billie Jean within a single project and calling each version in an instant without the hassle of loading another project. Bruce Sweden would be very happy. :-)
Hope you get the idea. After all, it's just an idea. :-)
I would love this feature.
Me too. Of all the wish list items here, this is probably the one I would use the most. You can do the same thing by saving lots of projects and calling them up, but the load time for a complex remix can be considerable. Being able to switch back and forth rapidly within a single project would be great. This would also make it really easy to consolidate things like vocals up +1, vocals down -1 in a single project instead of having to duplicate tracks or save new projects. For remixes it would be killer, because you could easily try out different radical changes. I'm sure there are complications in implementing it - how fast could you switch from one set of automation curves to another, and whether you could cut automation from one version and paste into another...but I think this has a lot of potential, at least for the kind of work I do.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
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I was impressed with the notation features in the Cubase 7 demo... obviously I prefer Sonar, but perhaps a few ideas could be 'borrowed'?
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/24 16:46:24
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dubdisciple
Terrasin.
I'm all for lynda etc making more resources available. I did not mean to imply EVERYONE just needed free videos, blog, manual, etc. I just meant it is not reasonable to expect cakewalk to give that away. Groove3 makes good videos as well as own Karl. These cost but both are reasonable. Cakewalk has given out 30 day groove3 passes in the past and discounted training videos to almost nothing.
I actually totally disagree with this. I think anybody that is releasing software like this and trying to get market share should definitely put out extensive training video's to go with it. For example, I recently decided to try my hand at video game making with the new Unreal 4 engine. They have put out a ton of video's to help both newbie's and experienced hands get a handle on the software (up to 239 now). IMHO, this should include basic tutorials on how to use the software, as well as walkthroughs on how to do a project. Yes this costs time and money, but it's both good customer service and good marketing. This isn't to say that there still wouldn't be a market for 3rd party support, but a person shouldn't HAVE to purchase 3rd party video's to learn to use software. Especially for new people that might have just shelled out a couple hundred dollars when trying to get into music.
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Re: Sonar X3d or X4 wishlist
2014/07/24 20:31:01
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dubdisciple
Terrasin.
I'm all for lynda etc making more resources available. I did not mean to imply EVERYONE just needed free videos, blog, manual, etc. I just meant it is not reasonable to expect cakewalk to give that away. Groove3 makes good videos as well as own Karl. These cost but both are reasonable. Cakewalk has given out 30 day groove3 passes in the past and discounted training videos to almost nothing.
Yup there are a lot of free training videos with Sonar on youtube and a great manual. Kroneborge
I actually totally disagree with this. I think anybody that is releasing software like this and trying to get market share should definitely put out extensive training video's to go with it. For example, I recently decided to try my hand at video game making with the new Unreal 4 engine. They have put out a ton of video's to help both newbie's and experienced hands get a handle on the software (up to 239 now).
IMHO, this should include basic tutorials on how to use the software, as well as walkthroughs on how to do a project. Yes this costs time and money, but it's both good customer service and good marketing.
This isn't to say that there still wouldn't be a market for 3rd party support, but a person shouldn't HAVE to purchase 3rd party video's to learn to use software. Especially for new people that might have just shelled out a couple hundred dollars when trying to get into music.
Very generous of Epic Games, a company that has a turn over of 50 to 100 million dollars per year. I thought Cakewalk had already brought out a load of videos... anyway... I agree though, why not include all these videos etc for free rather than pay for it separately. Although when you see the price of the product to go up around 30% to 40% to accommodate for this maybe a rethink might be required. Then again you could always buy a bundle :). I much prefer a modular approach myself when it comes to pricing. I'd rather not pay for stuff I don't need. And if third parties can do better jobs in certain areas leave it to them and get on with the core business.
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