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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 12:55:36
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SEE?! Craig showed up as I was typing up my diatribe. Dude gives a shizzle. Very encouraging.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:06:30
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while I agree that the bang for buck is great for a user who doesn't have many 3rd party plugs already, I think the bundled stuff distracts from the daw itself
Yeah, I beat that horse to death. Almost stroked out over it but it ain't happening. I agree but I guess I'm just happy they are righting the train. My biggest concern was the stability and if that's there then $150 is fine. Always was. It seems to be from most reports so the other stuff is just gravy. Cheers.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:10:18
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I'm very happy with X3 Producer. I'm very happy to see Sonar collaborating with some top of the line 3rd party folks, too. The Melodyne collab is awesome and a great step forward.
The Essential version that comes included is great and probably enough for most people. I know it REALLY would have been enough for me but, the upgrade special to the Editor version was too tempting for me to pass up.
I'd LOVE to see Cakewalk do a collaboration with Waves or some of the other major 3rd party folks.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:11:51
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SimpleM
So I have been a Cakewalk user since PA8 and a "producer" level buyer/upgrader/user since Producer 6. It seems like in the old days part of the bonus to buying producer was that you got plugs/instruments that no other version got and they were full versions, none of these "demo" feeling or limited plugs and instruments. With X2 I suddenly felt like I was paying a ton of money extra for "limited" software versions designed to part me with another $100+ in order to actually utilize the useful features. (Overloud stuff, prochannel add ons etc.) How is X3 in this regard? It looks like it is getting worse. It looks like AD is the real deal but how about the AAS stuff, Melodyne? (Melodyne seems to be the worst for the ole bait and switch from how it reads). It almost feels like Sonar has become a free to play video game that sets it up to get you money on the back end if you actually want to play the game. I have spent many $1000s of dollars riding the Cakewalk upgrade train and now as I try to consider going to X3 this just feels like something is trying to violate me.
Hi SimpleM... I can undstand how you feel, but maybe consider some of this... I've been using Cakewalk since it started... All upgrades... The bundled soft wares have trended much the same... Small things we're complete and large devices the basic, never the full sized edition... ...and these are "extras" to me... I myself feel I'm paying for the maintenance and development and get these bundled items as freebies that sweeten the pot... Some I use and some I don't but they never hurt or truly influence my upgrading as I would even with no extras... But that's me... As to X3 in particular? I think it's an excellent buy... Melodyne works great and the essentials version does most everything but the polyphonic corrections... A nice tool to have, but it would have increased the upgrade too much as there are some who don't need/use all the extras... I'm enjoying Melodyne very much... Addictive drums? A nice full featured program with good samples included... I used it for one thing while trying it out and enjoyed much of it... I have a problem with the note name display (another thread), but it's still a good value... I've only toyed with the AAS device briefly so I don't know how well it sits in a song, but it sounded cool and I can see using it when called for... I think X3 to be an excellent purchase or upgrade as it is... Even with the issues I have with it... Keni
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:20:25
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Thank you for the useful response Keni. I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch over the rant/lament part of my OP and could not see that I was asking the questions that a few of you have taken the time to answer.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:26:44
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I simply cannot understand posts like the one from the OP.
As nice as the extra goodies are - and apparently you are confusing them with "LE" versions, which they are most certainly not - you still don't have to use any of them.
Also, if cost is a concern, you do have a choice of getting the Studio or regular (formerly Essentials) versions. For $49 you can upgrade to a full-fledged DAW without the "extra stuff" you seem to have a problem with.
I just don't see how CW could make the offers any better (without going bankrupt). Sheesh.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:30:15
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studiodude1
I'm very happy with X3 Producer. I'm very happy to see Sonar collaborating with some top of the line 3rd party folks, too. The Melodyne collab is awesome and a great step forward.
The Essential version that comes included is great and probably enough for most people. I know it REALLY would have been enough for me but, the upgrade special to the Editor version was too tempting for me to pass up.
I'd LOVE to see Cakewalk do a collaboration with Waves or some of the other major 3rd party folks.
IDK... I'd kind of rather see them back some up and comers. It's cheaper for us and good for the market by introducing some competition. I said this in another thread but bringing Overloud into the fold has been excellent for my set up. I likely never would have heard of them otherwise. Not sure about the Blue Tubes guys but that looks like an interesting set of kit. There are lots of units in that bundle that emulate specific hardware that other big companies have sims for but charge WAY more for and I have seen used in a lot of tuts to accomplish specific tasks. I know guys have kind of poopooed that set because it's duplicates of stuff they already have from more well known companies but as I watched the demos I realized "Hey! That thing does that thing that that guy in the tut does with that other thing!" So are the Blue Tubes emulations bad or do those plugs do what they are supposed to? If they do the job then yeah... that would open some doors for me personally. When it comes down to it I still personally think and EQ is an EQ and a Comp is a Comp, etc but if I see something I want to try on my mix and the recipe uses an emulation of a specific hardware model using one of the more well known brands that I don't have BUT have a Blue Tubes version of it... well at least I can try it out and not have to guess at curves, ratios, attack/release times, etc. Doing that kind of micromanaging of effects is interesting and educational but otherwise is a huge PITA when you just want to get something done. Guh... I should get back to work. Cheers.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:33:02
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SimpleM
Thank you for the useful response Keni. I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch over the rant/lament part of my OP and could not see that I was asking the questions that a few of you have taken the time to answer.
You wrote a 200 word rant and embedded in the middle was a 6 word question. The title did not help either, and thanks for calling us fanboys ;). I apologise for any offence.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 13:35:39
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SimpleM
I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch
Buddy... that was lame. Really really lame.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 14:16:44
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Come on Gang...
Let's all chill..................
Now back to Sonar!
X3c is an excellent product. It is well worth it's cost for most of us (relativity is a bi*ch)...
If asked for a recommendation at this point, I would most definitely advise on buying Sonar X3... Overall it can't be beat! Does it have limitations and issues? Everything does...
The best user support from both the company's representatives (and programmers etc.) and the excellent group on the Sonar Forums!
So many of us here do our best to help other users and sometimes our emotions get the better of us...
But in the end (I hope) we're all making music and using Sonar to our best ability! Only to be improved over time in both our understanding of Sonar and the improvement of Sonar...
...and of course, staying friendly with everyone on the Forums!
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 14:23:50
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SimpleM
Thank you for the useful response Keni. I'm afraid several of the fanboys got their panties in a bunch over the rant/lament part of my OP and could not see that I was asking the questions that a few of you have taken the time to answer.
You wrote a 200 word rant and embedded in the middle was a 6 word question. The title did not help either, and thanks for calling us fanboys ;).
I apologise for any offence.
I'm sorry... I failed to read the posts fully and properly and as it turns out, other than being told I was greedy by an earnest follower of brutal bass drops, "beepster" and his propensity for proflfic posting appears to actually be the "several" fanboys I thought were responding with fanboyish vitriol and defense of our DAW of choice. To all I may have mischacterized with the fan boy comment, I offer my deepest apologies. To beepster, Ouch, ya got me, you are a forum god...
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 14:27:46
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Keni
Come on Gang...
Let's all chill..................
Now back to Sonar!
X3c is an excellent product. It is well worth it's cost for most of us (relativity is a bi*ch)...
If asked for a recommendation at this point, I would most definitely advise on buying Sonar X3... Overall it can't be beat! Does it have limitations and issues? Everything does...
The best user support from both the company's representatives (and programmers etc.) and the excellent group on the Sonar Forums!
So many of us here do our best to help other users and sometimes our emotions get the better of us...
But in the end (I hope) we're all making music and using Sonar to our best ability! Only to be improved over time in both our understanding of Sonar and the improvement of Sonar...
...and of course, staying friendly with everyone on the Forums!
Keni
+1 I think the X3 upgrade alone was worth the $150. The extras, including the VKFX ProChannel module (that also works as a stand alone plug, i.e. in the FX bin etc.) being given away this month to Studio or PE users, are a splendid icing on the cake - and I already owned AD & Melodyne. ...Steven
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 14:39:25
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SimpleM
With X2 I suddenly felt like I was paying a ton of money extra for "limited" software versions designed to part me with another $100+ in order to actually utilize the useful features. (Overloud stuff, prochannel add ons etc.) I don't understand. "A sudden feeling" ? "A ton of money" ? A complaint about paying for versions designed to get your money...?...do you really believe that is what the designers are trying to do while avoiding incorporating useful features? SimpleM
How is X3 in this regard? It looks like it is getting worse. It looks like AD is the real deal but how about the AAS stuff, Melodyne?
(Melodyne seems to be the worst for the ole bait and switch from how it reads).
You've been using Cakewalk products and now that they offer a milestone version you're questioning it based on looks and thinking that Melodyne is the "ole bait and switch"? Well don't you read this forum? Just reading what Melodyne users in this forum have to say should give you a very clear picture since you'd rather go by looks rather than getting X3 and establishing you're on opinion. After all, what's 150 after all the thousands you've invested? SimpleM
It almost feels like Sonar has become a free to play video game that sets it up to get you money on the back end if you actually want to play the game.
What? Are you comparing one the most intensive recording hosts there is to a video game? SimpleM
I have spent many $1000s of dollars riding the Cakewalk upgrade train and now as I try to consider going to X3 this just feels like something is trying to violate me.
It seems to me there is a lot more going on in your head than just wondering about X3. I feel that the only way you may get answers that make any sense to you is to take another chance and play the game...after all, what's another 150 after all the thousands you've played with so far? If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 14:55:50
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spacey
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2. Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 15:12:22
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spacey
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.
Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack. I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 15:26:19
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spacey
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.
Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack.
I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
I am sorry if I misunderstood your post. for the record I think the tension in this thread is rising a bit and people are becoming defensive. My comment about everyone feeling personally insulted was addressed to everybody including me. It is easy when tensions rise to get a bit defensive. I was not trying to single you out in that regard. it just seems to be the direction the thread was headed.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 15:32:13
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To the OP...
There is a future profit motive with Addictive Drums if you count the expansion packs.
For me that's a deal tho. I am looking forward to some of them. I'm glad they are a choice.
G
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 15:53:26
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gswitz
To the OP...
There is a future profit motive with Addictive Drums if you count the expansion packs.
For me that's a deal tho. I am looking forward to some of them. I'm glad they are a choice.
G
Yes, I am sure I was not plain with the OP but I understand expansion packs are a different animal and actually a good thing. I understand AD enough to know it is the real deal and extremely useful right out of the box, as I thought I said in my OP as well. All of my reticence to purchase X3 was based on X2 really feeling like the new content bells and whistles felt more like the old "LE" versions and was wondering if the X3 suite was the same. A lot of the videos and marketing stuff that was hitting my fb timeline looked cool but alluded to "additional purchase" so it made me worry X3 may be worse. BTW I bought X3 a while ago based on your and a couple of other responses
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 16:08:57
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Marcus Curtis
spacey
Marcus Curtis
spacey
If my post is offensive to you, I do apologize but since I couldn't tell if you were serious or a troll I
thought I'd try to not only answer you but also point out why I would have trouble understanding your questions and intentions.
I highly doubt SimpleM is a troll. He has a forum membership since 2007. and he is probably like me. He visits on occasion. It is ok to question any bad feelings about upgrading. We can set the record straight if the op has wrong information. No doubt that X3 is a landmark upgrade. The op does not know that. We should put aside defensive feelings and we should not feel insulted by the ops point of view. I think once he upgrades he will see his fears are unfounded. He may just be expressing frustration over some of the problems with X2.
Maybe he does not read the forum much. personally I think we should cut everyone here some slack and if people have problems or opinions we can address them without being personally insulted.
Well you've made it appear that I was insulted, called him a troll and should be cutting people slack.
I know why I don't come here often. Think whatever floats your boat.
I am sorry if I misunderstood your post. for the record I think the tension in this thread is rising a bit and people are becoming defensive. My comment about everyone feeling personally insulted was addressed to everybody including me. It is easy when tensions rise to get a bit defensive. I was not trying to single you out in that regard. it just seems to be the direction the thread was headed.
Misunderstanding is alright. I didn't read all the posts so sure didn't pickup the atmosphere. Even though I think the value of X3 far exceeds the upgrade price I realize that the value can vary for users. Very hard to know, especially when the dollar also has a very different value to folks...but it it isn't hard to read and know what is being offered...like full versions of effects or not...especially before getting all up in the air about it. Cake does a very good job of writing up product details. If one needs or wants add-ons that are offered with X3 then it's easy. Personally X3 without any of them would have been worth it to me....and was even though I didn't need them.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 16:18:20
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I have seen a lot of guys who were at the end of their rope saying this is a great release and they are glad they upgraded. To me that speaks volumes.
As to my personal "fanboiism"... well I just gotta laugh at that. Somebody obviously hasn't seen some of my tirades over the past few months. lol
I truly hope you enjoy your purchase and after you give it a once over maybe edit your OP if you deem it worthy.
Peace.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 16:35:16
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mettelus
+1 to all the responses. IMO, X3 was a quantum leap above X2. The value in that alone was worth the upgrade to me. As far as "bait and switch" with Melodyne... 1) Melodyne Essential will suit many user's needs without the upgrade to Editor. 2) The upgrade to Editor was a bargain as well ($150 versus $300). 3) Melodyne released a patch to improve the ARA functionality (with X3) so this partnership is a great one. X3 coming out of the chute with ARA on board and it being as nice as it is is rather impressive to me. People love to find bugs, but so much of it WORKS (very well actually).
I bought x3 and I really havnt dug myself into it because I been away. I tried to buy the upgrade to melodyne and the deal was gone in like 1 week of buying x3 . The whole contact them and ask them to extend the deal .is just not something I wanna do . So feel cheated in reference to that. Try to buy it from there site and there was no upgrade:( . AD pack I keep getting offers for.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 17:37:31
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I just bought the upgrade to Melodyne for $149 I think last week. I'll look ad get back. Or was it cheaper than that?
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 19:29:40
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Sounds right to me Grem. $150 USD to go from Essential to Editor. There is a studio version another level up that concurrently reviews multiple tracks at a time.
This is interesting to me thinking about how you could build a really great Console Emulator that actually had cross track bleed, for example. It could take some sound from your bass track and run it through the delay on your guitar track or ... right?
If this plugin design can take the whole mix into account it could 'auto resolve' phase issues with mics.
All kinds of useful possibilities here.
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 19:30:31
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So the Melodyne offer has expired?.... crap.
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dubdisciple
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 20:58:23
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Yes, I said you sounded greedy and i meant it be ause that is how you came across. No way can i actually know that. No, I'm not particularly into bass drops. My name stems from a fondness for old 70's dubs and not dubstep. Sonar has its pros and cons but value is one if its strong points. How much of a value it is depends on what you already own, but other than offer plug-in vouchers in lieau of bundling, noway to avoid such scenarios. Anyway, hope you found what you were seeking.
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mettelus
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 21:41:37
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Beepster
Somebody obviously hasn't seen some of my tirades over the past few months. lol
LOL, Beepster... I was actually going to throw that comment in before and say this sort of negates some of your rants  But in all seriousness, CW over the years has done a LOT to make the "Producer" package be very functional out of the box. There is a lot of behind the scenes thought/action that goes into this. The bakers bust their butts and are involved in so many things. Imagine a truly new user... if they entered the scene with X3 Studio or Producer, they would be like a kid in a candy store (we have all had this experience), and have the essentials to enable recording... Unfortunately, as time passes we tend to get jaded and loose touch with this. The folks who cannot flee when people start to throw rocks are the bakers... and those who have been CW users for years cannot deny the positive involvement the bakers have taken in their product. It heartens me a lot to see users who stopped upgrading prior to the X series come back with X3 and their first response was "Wow..." In the big picture, I own software that costs a lot more to upgrade and use far less than SONAR. And those programs' "support" is often a sick joke. As far as "bang for the buck," SONAR has always been way up there... just invest in things you spend the most time on, and it is money well spent.
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Sycraft
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 21:48:54
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I think the direction is nice. I'd rather see higher versions that are more extras, rather than cut features. In the past CW did what most companies do: Crippled lower versions. If you wanted 64-bit mixing, or unlimited tracks or whatever you had to buy a more expensive version. That is still how most DAWs work. Cubase is badly crippled in their lower end versions, Studio One doesn't even support VST plugins in their base ($100) version.
Well with Sonar now it is pretty well uncrippled. Everything you get in regular X3 is unlimited. No track limits, sample rate/depth limits (outside of the software's inherent limits in all versions), etc. Means if you are coming from another DAW and have all the effects and instruments you like (or you are buying them separate), $100 does the trick. The only features it is lacking are pro channel, surround mixing, and MTC. So if you need those, then Studio does the trick, and also gets you a bunch more extras. Producer is basically just if you want extras. You don't need it unless you want the stuff it comes with.
It is nice. Cheaper for users.
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Living Room Rocker
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 22:37:00
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SimpleM
So I have been a Cakewalk user since PA8 and a "producer" level buyer/upgrader/user since Producer 6. It seems like in the old days part of the bonus to buying producer was that you got plugs/instruments that no other version got and they were full versions, none of these "demo" feeling or limited plugs and instruments. With X2 I suddenly felt like I was paying a ton of money extra for "limited" software versions designed to part me with another $100+ in order to actually utilize the useful features. (Overloud stuff, prochannel add ons etc.) How is X3 in this regard? It looks like it is getting worse. It looks like AD is the real deal but how about the AAS stuff, Melodyne? (Melodyne seems to be the worst for the ole bait and switch from how it reads). It almost feels like Sonar has become a free to play video game that sets it up to get you money on the back end if you actually want to play the game. I have spent many $1000s of dollars riding the Cakewalk upgrade train and now as I try to consider going to X3 this just feels like something is trying to violate me.
With all due respect, I think if you were upgrading SONAR each year for only the included plug-ins (which are merely bonuses thrown into a package) then you may have been upgrading for the wrong reasons. SONAR itself has proven to be a very extensive and capable platform for audio and MIDI recording and editing albeit, like all others, has it's short coming(s). X3 (Pro) may be the most appealing package to date with the inclusion of Melodyne Essential, VST3 compatibility, new comping feature, tape emulation and the full version of Addictive Drums, not to mention the Nomad stuff to boot. Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Anderton
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Re: Sonar moving in disturbing direction for me.
2013/11/09 23:07:00
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lawp
i would rather they bundled less & lowered the price
Sounds to me like you want X3 Studio Edition. It's basically Producer, but bundles less and lowers the price. Here's a comparison chart.
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