mudgel
Noel's already explained that the way ARA works is not useful in something like notation either in entering MIDI data via notation or exporting a score via notation. ARA has a look ahead function for existing AUDIO data and that's how it works.

This is my layman's understanding of what Noël said.

As for anyone that wants to enter MIDI data through Sonars notation I'd recommend they get some tips from jsg here on the forum. He seems to have no problem do complex orchestrationsing it.

If a notaion company would implement Re-Wire so that it sent multitrack MIDI data to the host you could notate to VST set up in the host but nobody does that.

mudgel
Noel's already explained that the way ARA works is not useful in something like notation either in entering MIDI data via notation or exporting a score via notation. ARA has a look ahead function for existing AUDIO data and that's how it works. At least that's my layman's understanding of what Noël said.

Hi Mudgel: In case you were replying to one of my posts:
 
You may be misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is it would be great if Cakewalk could innovate some implementation embedded in SONAR whereby using the professional notation software ( such as Finale and Sibelius) in SONAR would be integrated as good as Cakewalk integrated ARA in SONAR to use the Celemony Melodyne software. And if Cakewalk could innovate such an implementation it would perhaps be easier to do that than to make a revision to the Staff View in an attempt to appease the years of user requests to update SONAR to have better and more professional notation features. This may be something that is super hard to do, but I'm just entertaining the thought.
 
And, I still would like to see the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder updated to include an option for Average Bit Rate encoding, and if Cakewalk does that, they may as well, update to the most recent version of LAME version 3.99.5.

SimpleM
All of my reticence to purchase X3 was based on X2 really feeling like the new content bells and whistles felt more like the old "LE" versions and was wondering if the X3 suite was the same.  A lot of the videos and marketing stuff that was hitting my fb timeline looked cool but alluded to "additional purchase" so it made me worry X3 may be worse.

BTW I bought X3 a while ago based on your and a couple of other responses

Since this thread got pretty much hijacked, I am very curious what your impression is of X3 now that you own it (as opposed to the OP here)?

Anderton

vintagevibe
Craig, what's your take on why Avid, MOTU, Steinberg and Presonus have spent resources on notation?

Avid and MOTU: Both are heavy into Hollywood-type scoring, where notation remains prevalent. MOTU in particular has made that their niche on the Mac (I presume introducing a Windows version was an attempt to re-create that success on a different platform).
 
Steinberg: Division of Yamaha, which is heavy into education and school programs. Notation remains important for the education market.
 
PreSonus: This is speculation, but I presume they were unlikely to devote resources into adding notation to Studio One, so they bought Notion. This provides a workaround for now, and who knows, could possibly be integrated into SOP in the future. As to why, PreSonus has been putting a major push on education in the past couple months.

Has Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

vintagevibe

Has Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

 
My personal opinion is that the amount of resources needed to acquire decent market share in those markets would be way out of proportion to the potential returns. Those markets are finite and quite possibly saturated; taking market share from existing, established companies is always a very difficult task.
 
As backed up with stats in a previous post, the market for notation software is tiny. Furthermore, it is already well-served. If the field were wide-open, it might be a different story.

I've being using Cakewalk and upgrading all since Cakewalk 7. I don't much about any other DAW that well. I do have Pro Tools 11. I purchased that very cheap, as work at a college. I don't use it, I just have it. X3b is fab. Will wait until the C thing is sorted out. Over the years Cakewalk has supplied amazing plugins. I'm still using Tassman 4

CakeAlexS

+1
[This thread] - a picture is worth a thousand words....

nobody tried to invalidate your post.  You asked a loaded question which he already answered.  I would counter that continually rephrasing the same question in sarcastic ways does much more to harm the exchange of ideas than merely pointing out that he already gave you an answer you simply did not like.  we get it.  you are upset that Cakewalk is not doing more to improve notation.  It would be nice.  Lots of features would be nice, but people like you resort to borderline harassment when you don't hear what you want.

I would hope that the Staff View gets an upgrade soon. I think it will add a lot more to the value of the X series. 

dubdisciple
nobody tried to invalidate your post.  You asked a loaded question which he already answered.  I would counter that continually rephrasing the same question in sarcastic ways does much more to harm the exchange of ideas than merely pointing out that he already gave you an answer you simply did not like.  we get it.  you are upset that Cakewalk is not doing more to improve notation.  It would be nice.  Lots of features would be nice, but people like you resort to borderline harassment when you don't hear what you want.

No sarcasm was intended or implied.  I wanted to know why for 20 years Cakewalk has ignored something that other companies have worked on.  You don't like my question to Craig so you accuse me of harassment and attack me.  Then you insult me with the "people like you" remark.  This happens a lot on this forum instead of actual discussion.  Complaints are not allowed here without being attacked.  It's unprofessional and quite sad.

dubdisciple

vintagevibeHas Sonar's market share always been so big that it doesn't need the scoring and education markets?

I'm sure there was no hint of sarcasm there. The problem is not you voicing your opinion or displeasure..it's the nasty condescending way you do it.  Maybe your heart is so dark you don't even realize you do it. I will just leave it alone.  Your posts speak for themselves.  The fact that Craig responded with a virtual rewording of what he already had said speaks volumes. 

Dark heart?  Condescending?  You got all that from my post?  You really need to relax.  Go have bear or a Lexapro.  Your blocked. 

Just one word on notation... cakewalk should have a look at a product in the Boston neighbourhood... called Noteflight... web based notation making real inroads to music education.

Sometimes the answers or opportunities ar quite close to home....

dubdisciple
Craig, welcome to the world of being Cake staff on this forum.  Almost every response you give will be followed by a loaded question unless you magically tell them exactly what the person wants to hear.

Ha! I've been doing musician's forums since 1995, so I know what goes with the territory. However, I've also encountered Vintage Vibe before in other forums and his posts are generally thoughtful and he also contributes quite a bit. I do feel he falls somewhat into the "text is a crappy way to convey anything beyond the most basic thoughts" category. It's very easy to be misinterpreted through text-only media.

I wonder if other software types elicit such passion.
It's like dogs fighting over a bone. They just can't help it because it's in their nature.

Not to drag this out any further, but here's how it works on the Interwebz.
 
1. Person A's post is misinterpreted as being out of line.
2. Persons B, C, D, and E jump on Person A for being out of line.
3. Person A, not realizing what he said could be considered out of line by rational people, gets defensive and attacks persons B, C, D, and E.
4. Loop steps 2-3 multiple times.
 
There are only four possible endings.
 
1. Deterioration into giant flame war. Moderator closes thread.
2. Realization by one or more parties that things have gotten out of control. Apologies. Group hug.
3. Person A really is a jerk and was not misinterpreted. If same crap continues to happen, person A gets banned eventually
4. Sun collapses into a dwarf star. All life on earth ends. Forums become irrelevant.